Originally posted by Kotor3
Here is an question for you Allankles, could Ventress rule the Sith back in the time of Kotor?
What does that have to do with what I said? I don't think she could rule since its not really part of her personality. She would certainly be among the best together with Revan and the others.
Originally posted by AllanklesThat's not really a commentary on Malak's guaranteed power, more of a commentary on Revan's fear of Malak's potential power. That doesn't mean he'll be MORE powerful than Revan, just that he'd certainly be a threat. Revan wouldn't want to wait to find out.
"Revan vows to slay his ex-apprentice before Malak's power becomes too great."
Originally posted by Allankles
What does that have to do with what I said? I don't think she could rule since its not really part of her personality. She would certainly be among the best together with Revan and the others.
Your statement answered the question. The fact that you think it is not part of her personality and that she has the power to do so is Hilarious!
Revan force rapes Ventress and then takes Bastila on a honeymoon.
Revan by far is far stronger than Ventress hands down. How many times do I have to state this? Ventress was not as strong in the darkside much less the Force. In a straight Force battle, Ventress would shit her pants. Come on think - did she survive Malachor? Nope. Did she destroy the Sith on Korriban? Nope. Did she complete the Clone Wars? Nope. Everytime she faced an upper tier Force user - she got pawned or ran. She is by far outclassed by an upper tier Force user.
She would give Revan a good run for his money in a lightsaber duel, but Revan's superior Force mastery would overpower her. Also he knows the ancient Sith rituals that were so very destructive. Bane even refused to use them except the thought bomb. Gideon has more knowledge about Force mastery than I do. Ventress was little more a pawn on a galactic wide chess board. She wasn't Sith - just a minion.
Originally posted by Darth TruculentYou can "state" it all you want. Go ahead and prove it now.
Revan by far is far stronger than Ventress hands down. How many times do I have to state this?
Ventress was not as strong in the darkside much less the Force.The CWC, TWC, and all other Clone Wars-era EU calls bullshit.
Come on think - did she survive Malachor? Nope.Did Revan take over a planet of warlords as a relatively untrained teenager with nothing more than his wits and a pair of lightsabers? Nope.
Did she destroy the Sith on Korriban? Nope.Neither did Revan...
Did she complete the Clone Wars? Nope.If by "complete" you mean "survive," then yes, she did.
Everytime she faced an upper tier Force user - she got pawned or ran.She faced three "upper-tier" individuals; she fought Dooku and Mace in the first year or so of the war, when she had already proven herself Anakin Skywalker's equal.
She is by far outclassed by an upper tier Force user.Prove that Revan is as powerful as Dooku or Yoda and you'll have a case.
She would give Revan a good run for his money in a lightsaber duel, but Revan's superior Force mastery would overpower her. Also he knows the ancient Sith rituals that were so very destructive. Bane even refused to use them except the thought bomb.Prove that those rituals are relevant to an immediate combat scenario, then prove that Revan was willing to use all of them himself.
Gideon has more knowledge about Force mastery than I do.Gideon would point out that you make no sense.
Ventress was little more a pawn on a galactic wide chess board. She wasn't Sith - just a minion.Which, again, means jack ****ing shit. You've made an absurd habit of spouting irrelevant garbage in every damn post you make. Cut it out.
Originally posted by Publius II
Did Revan take over a planet of warlords as a relatively untrained teenager with nothing more than his wits and a pair of lightsabers? Nope.
Did Ventress defeat a warrior race called the Mandalorians? Rule the Sith? Affect the thinking and teachings of future siths? Have the option to rule the galaxy and walk away from it? Control by himself an ancient machine so strong in the darkside that it corruptted a whole race and led to its down fall? Defeat an Sith Lord powered by the Star Forge? Undefeated in single combat? Nope! 😛
Originally posted by Kotor3Relevance is good.
Did Ventress defeat a warrior race called the Mandalorians? Rule the Sith? Affect the thinking and teachings of future siths? Have the option to rule the galaxy and walk away from it? Control by himself an ancient machine so strong in the darkside that it corruptted a whole race and led to its down fall? Defeat an Sith Lord powered by the Star Forge? Undefeated in single combat? Nope! 😛
Only three of those could qualify as feats relevant to combat. His legacy doesn't matter, his political machinations and tactical prowess don't matter, and the option of "ruling the galaxy" doesn't matter. Controlling the Star Forge is impressive, but it was a feat replicated by his apprentice, Malak, who doesn't appear to be extraordinarily talented in the grand scheme of the saga. Defeating said ex-apprentice in personal combat aboard the station is very impressive, but Revan being "undefeated" when he apparently dueled only a handful of individuals who would be notable in other eras - two or three of whom were incapable of using the Force - doesn't mean all that much. The only people who've bested Ventress are Yoda, Mace Windu, Count Dooku, General Grievous - when he had surprise and fear on his side- Obi-Wan Kenobi - although they very much went back and forth - and Anakin Skywalker, who was forced to succumb to his rage in order to regain the upper-hand against her in both of their non-TCW duels.
Those are all some of the greatest combatants in their era, and most are some of the best in all of canon. Malak, Bastila, Bandon, Calo Nord, Yusanis, and Mandalore are all impressive enough, but they don't even remotely compare. The only one among them that I can see having a shot at besting Ventress is Malak, and he'd probably need the Star Forge to pull that off.
Originally posted by Kotor3Revan didn't defeat the Mandalorians single handedly. I'm tired of people citing that war as testament to his martial prowess.
Did Ventress defeat a warrior race called the Mandalorians? Rule the Sith? Affect the thinking and teachings of future siths? Have the option to rule the galaxy and walk away from it? Control by himself an ancient machine so strong in the darkside that it corruptted a whole race and led to its down fall? Defeat an Sith Lord powered by the Star Forge? Undefeated in single combat? Nope! 😛
Ventress never got a chance to rule the Sith, now did she?
"Walking away" from ruling the galaxy is not a good quality AS A SITH.
Revan planned to STOP using the Star Forge for just the reason you cited.
Ventress never had the chance to fight someone powered by the Star Forge, did she?
Being undefeated is great on your resume, but Revan didn't face the PT Jedi, did he?
Originally posted by Publius II
Relevance is good.Only three of those could qualify as feats relevant to combat. His legacy doesn't matter, his political machinations and tactical prowess don't matter, and the option of "ruling the galaxy" doesn't matter. Controlling the Star Forge is impressive, but it was a feat replicated by his apprentice, Malak, who doesn't appear to be extraordinarily talented in the grand scheme of the saga. Defeating said ex-apprentice in personal combat aboard the station is very impressive, but Revan being "undefeated" when he apparently dueled only a handful of individuals who would be notable in other eras - two or three of whom were incapable of using the Force - doesn't mean all that much. The only people who've bested Ventress are Yoda, Mace Windu, Count Dooku, General Grievous - when he had surprise and fear on his side- Obi-Wan Kenobi - although they very much went back and forth - and Anakin Skywalker, who was forced to succumb to his rage in order to regain the upper-hand against her in both of their non-TCW duels.
Those are all some of the greatest combatants in their era, and most are some of the best in all of canon. Malak, Bastila, Bandon, Calo Nord, Yusanis, and Mandalore are all impressive enough, but they don't even remotely compare. The only one among them that I can see having a shot at besting Ventress is Malak, and he'd probably need the Star Forge to pull that off.
You made very good comments and I am not joking. However I know that you are well verse on Revan especially with all the threads on him. If you are actually saying that Ventress is in his category then I do not have any comments for you. At least until you are serious.