Originally posted by Kotor3
Your statement answered the question. The fact that you think it is not part of her personality and that she has the power to do so is Hilarious!Revan force rapes Ventress and then takes Bastila on a honeymoon.
Right? Except you have zero evidence for why Revan would rape her. I think she would push the top force users in Kotor to the max in a duel if not beat them outright. You'd have to rely on assumptions like Revan being on Yoda or Dooku's level force powerwise to have him rape her.
Originally posted by Allankles
Right? Except you have zero evidence for why Revan would rape her. I think she would push the top force users in Kotor to the max in a duel if not beat them outright. You'd have to rely on assumptions like Revan being on Yoda or Dooku's level force powerwise to have him rape her.
Ok, Allankles. let us do this little by little. Ventress was not a fully trained Jedi or Sith. So please tell me what Ventress force mastery equates to?
Also something to note everyone of the names that was mention that went against Ventress won.
Originally posted by Lord Lucien
That is a little strange. Being the best in the Sith kinda entitles you to rule. Doesn't mean everyone's gonna be loyal...
If you read the comics to see how she survived the Clone Wars, she wasn't as concerned about ruling the Sith. Her initial enmity with the Jedi stemmed from believing that the Jedi had abandoned her master on a despotic world where war was currency.
She wasn't without a conscious, or principles like loyalty, once she saw the depths of evil within the dark side she turned away.
Originally posted by Kotor3
The evidence is all around. You just do not want to acknowledge it. Not my fault. Ok, Allankles, let us do this little by little. Ventress was not a fully trained Jedi or Sith. So please tell me what Ventress force mastery equates to?Also something to note everyone of the names that was mention that went against Ventress won.
Originally posted by Kotor3
Ok, Allankles. let us do this little by little. Ventress was not a fully trained Jedi or Sith. So please tell me what Ventress force mastery equates to?Also something to note everyone of the names that was mention that went against Ventress won.
She was fully trained in the Jedi arts her master for a large part of her life was full fledged Jedi. She horned her skills in a despotic world where some of the most dangerous life forms in the galaxy did battle constantly, she got further training from Dooku where she was his primary apprentice throughout the clone wars (going by the comics) and turned her back from the darkside because of the same Dooku.
Originally posted by Allankles
She was fully trained in the Jedi arts her master for a large part of her life was full fledged Jedi. She horned her skills in a despotic world where some of the most dangerous life forms in the galaxy did battle constantly, she got further training from Dooku where she was his primary apprentice throughout the clone wars (going by the comics) and turned her back from the darkside because of the same Dooku.
Could you verfiy that stated that Ventress was fully trained? I thought her master die before fully training her especially in terms of anger management. Teaching from Dooku, how much? You still have not answered the question. The fact is she was skilled with the saber not so much in the force department.
Not one thing you mention about her is special.
Originally posted by Kotor3PT Padawans>KoTOR Padawans. PT Knights>KoTOR Knights. PT Masters>KoTOR Masters.
Correction Revan's champion! What does that statement have to do with individuals? On a individual basis that statement holds for Sidious and Yoda, any other name you want to pull out of the hat you have to prove.
Ventress>17 (I think) PT Masters. Ventress=KoTOR Masters (at the least). Revan=Unknown. Ventress=Well known. Can you do this math, it isn't hard.
Talking to you is like quoting Shakespeare to a Hershey bar.
Also something to note everyone of the names that was mention that went against Ventress won.Surprise, you missed the point entirely.
Those six people are the only ones who have ever bested her. Mace, Grievous, and Dooku beat her when she was comparatively inexperienced, Anakin won only when he tapped into his rage, and Obi-Wan only forced her to flee once under his own skill; the rest of the time, he either lost, ran away, or survived due to outside interference.
Revan killed three prominent non-Force-sensitives, defeated Bandon and Bastila - who were both easily Malak's inferior - and overcame Malak on the Star Forge. The only one of those characters who might be able to take Ventress in combat is SF Malak, and even that's a stretch.
Originally posted by Kotor3
Could you verfiy that stated that Ventress was fully trained? I thought her master die before fully training her especially in terms of anger management. Teaching from Dooku, how much? You still have not answered the question. The fact is she was skilled with the saber not so much in the force department.Not one thing you mention about her is special.
Her Master was teaching her the Jedi arts in a war torn world he hadn't taught her to master her emotions with the lightside, her training combatwise was intense, as she and her master were often in battles against the war lords and their warriors. If you watched the clone wars she's a fully trained Jedi on her homeworld.
Her force powers were fairly advanced too, with her TK being well above average. Dooku taught her of the dark side although he never inducted her into the Sith order proper.
Originally posted by Publius II
Revan killed three prominent non-Force-sensitives,
1. Mandalore - The Ultimate (One who could put a Jedi on his @ss with a single attack and most powerful Mandalore in his time.)
2. Yusanis (One of the greatest echani swordsmen in SW History and with highly advanced battle precognition to help him in combat. Also, undefeated in combat until of-course he decided to challenge Revan.)
3. Calo Nord (The most powerful and feared Bounty Hunter of his time. Well known for slaughtering hundreds of foes in combat.)
Yeah! Only Revan destroyed them in combat.
Originally posted by Publius II
defeated Bandon and Bastila - who were both easily Malak's inferior -
Bastilla Shan (A promising Jedi and an able fighter. Nominated as the leader of the Jedi Strike Team, which boarded Revan' Flagship. The Jedi Council believed that she was skilled enough to take on the challenges that lay ahead for her and Revan during the Jedi Civil War. And when she became a Sith Lord, according to her, she became more powerful than all but few Jedi Masters.)
Originally posted by Publius II
and overcame Malak on the Star Forge.
Originally posted by Publius II
The only one of those characters who might be able to take Ventress in combat is SF Malak, and even that's a stretch.
Revan is better.
Originally posted by Publius II
Surprise, you missed the point entirely.Those six people are the only ones who have ever bested her. Mace, Grievous, and Dooku beat her when she was comparatively inexperienced, Anakin won only when he tapped into his rage, and Obi-Wan only forced her to flee once under his own skill; the rest of the time, he either lost, ran away, or survived due to outside interference.
Revan killed three prominent non-Force-sensitives, defeated Bandon and Bastila - who were both easily Malak's inferior - and overcame Malak on the Star Forge. The only one of those characters who might be able to take Ventress in combat is SF Malak, and even that's a stretch.
Of course I missed the point according to you. Unless you can prove that Ventress can compete with Revan in a force battle your points are irrlevant.
Revan continues to force rape Ventress for fun!
Originally posted by Allankles
Her Master was teaching her the Jedi arts in a war torn world he hadn't taught her to master her emotions with the lightside, her training combatwise was intense, as she and her master were often in battles against the war lords and their warriors. If you watched the clone wars she's a fully trained Jedi on her homeworld.Her force powers were fairly advanced too, with her TK being well above average. Dooku taught her of the dark side although he never inducted her into the Sith order proper.
Once again you are answering the question yourself. Ventress is not known for her force Mastery or abilities. She had to you use her sabers aganist Anakin's pupil.
Yes Ventress has killed Jedi Masters and so have droids.
Originally posted by Kotor3
Once again you are answering the question yourself. Ventress is not known for her force Mastery or abilities. She had to you use her sabers aganist Anakin's pupil.Yes Ventress has killed Jedi Masters and so have droids.
Her force powers are well above average, I don't know where you get the idea she had little force mastery. Her applications of both force speed and TK were more potent and advanced than most Jedi Masters.
So she certainly mastered the force to a considerable degree. She couldn't much the raw power of Anakin or the mastery of Yoda, but only a handful could.
Even Mace admits he's not nearly as strong in the force as Anakin, in Shatterpoint and his force powers - as we know - are considerable.
Originally posted by S_W_LeGenDProve it.
1. Mandalore - The Ultimate (One who could put a Jedi on his @ss with a single attack
and most powerful Mandalore in his time.)The only Mandalore of his time.
2. Yusanis (One of the greatest echani swordsmen in SW History and with highly advanced battle precognition to help him in combat. Also, undefeated in combat until of-course he decided to challenge Revan.)Prove it.
3. Calo Nord (The most powerful and feared Bounty Hunter of his time. Well known for slaughtering hundreds of foes in combat.)So a weaker Jango Fett? The guy who a pre-CW Obi-Wan was able to overcome?
Please.
Yeah! Only Revan destroyed them in combat.No one cares.
Darth Bandon (Powerful in the Force and [b]killed many Jedi.Ventress killed seventeen.
Knew some advanced Sith techniques like: Force LightningSo he's on par with a Nightsister?
and Death Field.Prove it.
It has been speculated that he had the potential to challenge his Master for the position of the DLOTS.)Potential means jack shit here.
Bastilla Shan (A promising Jedi and an able fighter. Nominated as the leader of the Jedi Strike Team, which boarded Revan' Flagship. The Jedi Council believed that she was skilled enough to take on the challenges that lay ahead for her and Revan during the Jedi Civil War. And when she became a Sith Lord, according to her, she became more powerful than all but few Jedi Masters.)Sure, take at face value the self-evaluation of a Dark Jedi who, even when aligned with the Order, was considered headstrong and brash.
And considering Malak was clearly capable of overcoming her without any additional assistance, I'm not too impressed.
A Dark Lord of the Sith (The strongest among the Sith of his Empire) who was aided by a Super-weapon to make him even more powerful and harder to kill.I already noted this.
And Revan defeated him even after engaging in battles against hordes of Sith warriors, Battle Drioids and Elite Soldiers.Prove it.
She is good. But not so DAMN GOOD.Prove it.Revan is better.
Originally posted by Kotor3WTF?
Of course I missed the point according to you.
Unless you can prove that Ventress can compete with Revan in a force battle your points are irrlevant.There's no evidence for Revan being an indomitable Force-user. None. I've been remarkably lenient with you people in the past, but it's time to prove up or shut up.
Revan continues to force rape Ventress for fun!Prove it!