Sion runs the Gauntlet

Originally posted by Allankles
Her force powers are well above average, I don't know where you get the idea she had little force mastery. Her applications of both force speed and TK were more potent and advanced than most Jedi Masters.

So she certainly mastered the force to a considerable degree. She couldn't much the raw power of Anakin or the mastery of Yoda, but only a handful could.

Even Mace admits he's not nearly as strong in the force as Anakin, in Shatterpoint and his force powers - as we know - are considerable.

You do know that only Mace and Yoda could go up against Sidious. Anakin was stronger but Mace because of his mastery of the force was more powerful at the time of ROTS. Anakin had yet learned out to act upon his strength.

QUOTE=11584384]Originally posted by Publius II
There's no evidence for Revan being an indomitable Force-user. None. [/QUOTE] Who does have that evidence?

Simply put, since I know you already know about Revan what exactly are you looking for as evidence? Or is your argument Revan is an unknown so should not be included in threads? If so there is no need to keep discussing this.

Originally posted by Kotor3
Who does have that evidence?

Originally posted by Publius II
Clearly not you, which is the entire point; you have no backing for any of your claims, so stop making them.

It does not seem like my statement was clear, so I will rephrase: Which force user has proven to be indomitable? I can't think of one unless you say Luke Skywalker when he reach his peak. In Revan's era in terms of straight one on one combat he was indomitable.

If Revan was alive, active in combat, and undefeated in the PT-era, that would be relevant. He wasn't, so it isn't.

And for the record, your original statement was this:

Revan force rapes Ventress [...]

Revan is an unknown, you have no case, drop it.

Actually, Faunus, in fairness: Mandalore the Ultimate put a Jedi Knight-namely Malak when he was young- on his rear end with one strike.

Originally posted by Publius II
If Revan was alive, active in combat, and undefeated in the PT-era, that would be relevant. He wasn't, so it isn't.

And for the record, your original statement was this:

I asked you to prove it, you didn't, Legend threw in a retarded argument, you implied that you don't have any evidence establishing that Revan was a superior Force-user to Ventress, I told you that was the point. There was nothing unclear here, so don't try to backpedal.

Revan is an unknown, you have no case, drop it.

Whatever Faunus. Don't tell me what I implied or meant when I said you did not understand my statement correctly. I do not have to meantion anything about Revan because it has already been done one hundred times within this forum. Revan was superior to everyone in his day. If you are saying that Ventress is superior to Revan then you are saying that everyone in the Kotor era was lest than Ventress.

Only Sidious and Yoda can make that claim about any era. You prove that Ventress had the power to do what Revan did.

Why is it that when people argue for Revan they mention the lesser combat feats like Calo, Yusanis and Mandalore?

Seriously, any half decent Jedi would take those guys out, unless they were ambushed or just overwhelmed with blasters or other high powered weapons.

Defeating Non-force sensitives (for the most part) is not impressive, unless they are monsters like Durge, Grievous et al.

Hell even Magna Guards are more physically imposing than non-force sensitive humans. Imagine Boba or Jango fighting a Magna guard in close quarters, with no jet packs and only melee weapons? Even with blasters, in that scenario it'd still only be about 50/50.

If you are saying that Ventress is superior to Revan then you are saying that everyone in the Kotor era was lest than Ventress.

I like how you say this as though it disproves Faunus's point. Your earnestness amuses me.

Not 50/50. It's Jango and Boba you're talking about. They most probably would find a way to destroy the machine using only melee weapons.

But yeah, I get your point.

Originally posted by Kotor3
Whatever Faunus. Don't tell me what I implied or meant when I said you did not understand my statement correctly.

You made a claim: "Revan [will] rape Ventress with the Force for fun!"

I told you to prove it: "Prove it!"

You said that since it had already been proven [it hasn't] you don't need to [you do]. You then asked "Who does have [the proof]?" That is a clear indicator that you do not have any concrete evidence necessary to make objective claims about the character's ability in a versus scenario. Therefore, you have no case.

I do not have to meantion anything about Revan because it has already been done one hundred times within this forum.

Revan was superior to everyone in his day. If you are saying that Ventress is superior to Revan then you are saying that everyone in the Kotor era was lest than Ventress.

Only Sidious and Yoda can make that claim about any era. You prove that Ventress had the power to do what Revan did.

@Lightsnake: Jango Fett beating several Jedi Knights senseless with his bare hands, defeating the Dark Jedi Komari Vosa in personal combat, killing a Jedi Master of the High Council with three shots of his blaster, and escaping a melee confrontation with Obi-Wan - whom Ventress would quickly outmatch in their first encounter - sort of take the steam out of that one.

How many TIMES do I have to write this? Revan was counted to be one of the most POWERFUL Sith Lords in history. Ventress killed seventeen Jedi - so what! Was she able to turn multiple Jedi to the darkside? Nope! How many Sith minions & Sith Lords did she defeat? Let me think - NONE. Revan did all of these things. Ventress wouldn't stand a chance against Malak and who defeated Malak? Revan! She mastered Sith lightning - so did Jaina and Zekk! Revan outclasses her. She was never a Sith Lord/Lady. I'm getting a headache because of this.

I'm going to be accused of Revan fanboyism, but here are the facts Ventress vs one of the most powerful Sith in history? Do the math - he overpowers her in the Force.

Originally posted by Darth Truculent
How many TIMES do I have to write this?

Apparently, loads.

Revan was counted to be one of the most POWERFUL Sith Lords in history.

When is that ever stated? Evidence, mate. Give us a reason to believe you.

Ventress killed seventeen Jedi - so what!

Killing seventeen PT Jedi, as far as everyone is concerned, is more impressive than anything Revan has shown. Why? Because he's a goddamn unknown.

Was she able to turn multiple Jedi to the darkside? Nope!

... Your point?

By your logic, the Sith who turns the most Jedi to the dark side = the most powerful. Your skills amaze me.

How many Sith minions & Sith Lords did she defeat?

Get back to me when you've found out just how powerful these 'Sith Lords' and 'Sith minions' were.

For now, average PT Jedi > Average KOTOR Sith.

How many PT Jedi did Ventress kill?

Ventress wouldn't stand a chance against Malak

PROVE UP.

Originally posted by Darth Truculent
How many TIMES do I have to write this? Revan was counted to be one of the most POWERFUL Sith Lords in history.

PROVE THE **** UP.

Ventress killed seventeen Jedi - so what!

Was she able to turn multiple Jedi to the darkside? Nope!

How many Sith minions & Sith Lords did she defeat? Let me think - NONE.

Sorry, what's that? You don't know? Well you should've told me sooner; I could've saved you the trouble of making yourself look a ****ing tool.

Revan did all of these things.

Ventress wouldn't stand a chance against Malak

and who defeated Malak? Revan!

She mastered Sith lightning - so did Jaina and Zekk!

2.) Referring to two Jedi Knights of the New Order, especially when one of them is a Skywalker, is pretty ****ing stupid.

3.) Are you retarded?

Revan outclasses her.

She was never a Sith Lord/Lady.

I'm getting a headache because of this.

I'm going to be accused of Revan fanboyism,

but here are the facts Ventress vs one of the most powerful Sith in history?

Do the math -

he overpowers her in the Force.

Damn. Faunus got here first. For what it's worth:

Originally posted by Darth Truculent
How many TIMES do I have to write this?

Me:
Repetition does not make an assertion true.

Originally posted by Darth Truculent

Revan was counted to be one of the most POWERFUL Sith Lords in history.

(The answer is 'no'. I suggest that you drop the point.)

Originally posted by Darth Truculent

Ventress killed seventeen Jedi - so what! Was she able to turn multiple Jedi to the darkside? Nope!

Why is turning 'multiple jedi' to the darkside relevant in a combat situation?

Originally posted by Darth Truculent

How many Sith minions & Sith Lords did she defeat? Let me think - NONE.

Originally posted by Darth Truculent

Revan did all of these things. Ventress wouldn't stand a chance against Malak and who defeated Malak?

Originally posted by Darth Truculent

Revan!

Originally posted by Darth Truculent

She mastered Sith lightning - so did Jaina and Zekk! Revan outclasses her. She was never a Sith Lord/Lady. I'm getting a headache because of this.

Me too. Maybe you should make a coherent argument. A title won't help anyone in a versus match here.

Originally posted by Darth Truculent
I'm going to be accused of Revan fanboyism, but here are the facts Ventress vs one of the most powerful Sith in history? Do the math - he overpowers her in the Force.

If you had some actual arguments then you'd be protected from that accusation. As it stands, you're only doing our job for us. (Calling you a Revan Fanboy.)

Originally posted by Red Nemesis
Damn. Faunus got here first.

Wrong.

Originally posted by Major Valerian
Wrong.

Damn. Oh well:

Valerian got here first.

(Congrats on the promotion?)

Thank you, sir.

As I said; he has done well.

Okay here we go:

Turning multiple Jedi to the darkside during the Mando Wars and then using them against the Republic during the Jedi Civil War is a major plus. Oh I forgot, didn't the Jedi Civil War nearly destroy the Order?

Plundering ancient Sith knowledge and rituals (one of which Bane used) from Malachor and Korriban

Most powerful Sith: Here we go -
1. Darth Sidious with Kyber Crystal
2. Darth Vader
3. Darth Bane
4. Darth Plagueis
5. Darth Tyranus
6. Darth Rage
7. Darth Maul
8. Darth Scarz
9. Darth Revan
10. Darth Imperius
11. Darth Ghore
12. Darth Vak
13. Darth Slane
14. Darth Vicrone
15. Darth Malak
16. Exar Kun
17. Darth Xio Jade (Best Female Sith Lord of All Time)
18. Darth Seer
19. Darth Thrax
20. Darth Secretus
21. Darth Skorch
22. Darth Craptar
23. Darth Arious
24. Darth Feroceous
25. Darth Mortronik
see: http://www.supershadow.com/starwars/powerful_sith.html

Also, wikipedia him up

Originally posted by Darth Truculent
Okay here we go:

Turning multiple Jedi to the darkside during the Mando Wars and then using them against the Republic during the Jedi Civil War is a major plus. Oh I forgot, didn't the Jedi Civil War nearly destroy the Order?

Plundering ancient Sith knowledge and rituals (one of which Bane used) from Malachor and Korriban

Most powerful Sith: Here we go -
1. Darth Sidious with Kyber Crystal
2. Darth Vader
3. Darth Bane
4. Darth Plagueis
5. Darth Tyranus
6. Darth Rage
7. Darth Maul
8. Darth Scarz
9. Darth Revan
10. Darth Imperius
11. Darth Ghore
12. Darth Vak
13. Darth Slane
14. Darth Vicrone
15. Darth Malak
16. Exar Kun
17. Darth Xio Jade (Best Female Sith Lord of All Time)
18. Darth Seer
19. Darth Thrax
20. Darth Secretus
21. Darth Skorch
22. Darth Craptar
23. Darth Arious
24. Darth Feroceous
25. Darth Mortronik
see: http://www.supershadow.com/starwars/powerful_sith.html

Also, wikipedia him up