well, i've just got back from seeing the film.
about as many annoying moments as the first film.... but sooo many improvements too. some nice references to original transformers, some amazing action sequences and.... megan fox.... slow motion.... running... WOW! haha.
optimus talks more in the first 20 mins than he does in the enitire first film which is good too! much better than the first all in all!
Originally posted by vandalworks
well, i've just got back from seeing the film.about as many annoying moments as the first film.... but sooo many improvements too. some nice references to original transformers, some amazing action sequences and.... megan fox.... slow motion.... running... WOW! haha.
optimus talks more in the first 20 mins than he does in the enitire first film which is good too! much better than the first all in all!
can you pm me a few spoilers, thanks
MASSIVE SPOILERS
I've seen ROTF its great! Massive fight scene near the end and bit of humour.
Right this is the storyline so if you don't wanna know dont read it.
17,000BC - Somewhere
Transformes on earth battle for the matrix of leadership the Primes seal themselves together in a tomb so the fallen cant get it.
PRESENT DAY - Shanghai
Twins, arcee and co, ironhide and sideswipe are approaching a factory with NEST teams Lennox, Epps and co.
Demolisher suddenly bursts out and tries to escape.
Sideways also begins to try escape.
Ironhide and NEST chase Demolisher.
Twins chase Sideways but crash so Arcee and co take over.
Sideswipe appears and cuts Sideways in half.
Optimus jumps out of a plane lands on Demolisher and takes him down.
Sam is leaving for collage when finds an allspark shard which makes the kitchen bots. They attack him but Bumblebee destroys then and half of the house. Sam tells Bumblebee he can't come to collage with him and then gives Mikaela the shard.
Gunna miss out a few bits round the collage
Carry on in next post
MASSIVE SPOILERS
Soundwave sends Ravage to get the other allspark shard which the humans have. Decepticons get the shard go under the ocean and resurrect Megatron. Who head to the Nemesis which is crashed on another planet nearby. He meets up with Starscream and The Fallen.
Mikaela is attacked by Wheels who she locks in a box. Sam is attacked by a decepticon disguised as Alice. Mikaela comes to help Sam. Sam, Leo Spitz and Mikaela are captured. Megatron & Starscream are about to kill Sam for his knowledge about the Matrix Leadership. Optimus turns up and there is a massive fight in the forest. Optimus then pwns Starcream, Megatron and Grindor with his dual blades. Grindor's head gets ripped in half. Megatron stabs Prime and kills him. (Puts him in statis lock) Autobots arrive and Megatron Starscream flee.
Megatron gets Protofroms/asteroid things to detsroy Aircraft carrier.
Fallen hacks every TV in world and tells then to find Sam or die.
The gang (Leo, Sam,Mikaela) find Simmons who tells them about the transformers being there for a long time. Wheels tells them about Jetfire.
They go awaken Jetfire with the allspark shard Wheels defects to autobots. Jetfire opens portal thing, takes them to Egypt. They find matrix but its just sand. Autobots and NEST arrive aswell as lots of Decepticons including Devastator and the Fallen. Sam is blown up but survives has vision and Primes give him the matrix. Sam resurrect Optimus. Rail gun on a Destroyer ship kills Devastator. Fallen nicks the matrix and activates the Star Harvester which is gunna blow up the sun. Jetfire kills Scorponok and kills himself so Prime can have his parts. Optimus combines and blows up the S.H. He pwns Megatron ripping half his head off. Fallen has fight with Optimus. Fallen dies. Megatron and Starscream flee. Optimus is on aircraft carrier with Sam and makes another speech. THE END
I know i've missed a few bits out but that is the main story.
I thought the movie was awesome lots of humour and action.
I thought this film was brilliant.
Not brilliant in an Apocalypse Now sense, but it was the movie I wanted the first one to be.
Unlike comic book movies, there isn't one set of source material. Transformers have always had many continuities and timestreams, so it's not outlandish, to me, to view this as just another depiction of Transformers. As I said regarding the first one, people bitching about it not being G1 are being dumb. It's not meant to be G1.
This movie had what the first one didn't have (And I understand they couldn't risk blowing so much on CGI in case it flopped); many more scenes of TF dialogue, more action, better set pieces and was very funny.
Seriously cool opening scene, to boot.
Of course, there are flaws;
I think the pacing was kinda disjointed and I think the voice casting was off, besides Prime, Starscream, Wheelie, Jetfire and Megatron. I also feel that they relied too much on people having read the Alliance/Defiance prequel comics.
Additionally, the fight scenes still had that kind of spastic-in-a-disco style of shooting, but the one in the forest was truly well done and it seemed like Michael Bay took on most of the criticisms.
There were also TOO MANY characters in this. The Constructicons kind of got no time, besides the odd action scene and the Devastator scene. Soundwave, despite being voiced by Frank Welker, did not have a synthesised voice, and thus just ended up sounding like Dr. Claw.
However, as unhappy as I was with his role, that's pretty much all he COULD have done, I think. I mean, as the cast stood. I would have sacrificed the Constructicons for Soundwave as the concept art depicted him (The surveillance truck).
Ravage was awesome, he looked dangerous, vicious, pretty brilliant. I loved Skids and Mudflap, their interaction was hilarious, though cliched. Wheelie was very enjoyable and Jetfire was pretty cool.
I really thought Devastator looked crap beyond belief in the concept pictures, but I have to say...the scene where they all merged was...pretty blinding. Though, the Constructicons kept showing up during the Egypt battle, and how is that possible if they were in Devastator? Unless they were not the same ones, and instead of turning into robots, only existed to form Devastator.
Bumblebee was a good character, save for his "best buds" relationship with Sam getting a little abrasive. His fight with Rampage and Ravage was cool. I wish we'd had more Sideswipe and he didn't have such an old sounding voice, as well as Sideways more or less getting NO screen time save for being cut in half by Sideswipe. Though, that's why I feel there were too many. I can't fault them for cutting their screen time back. Starscream was cool, and so was his interaction with Megatron.
Those who WERE there, did good.
So yeah, I have issues with the movie, but every movie has issues. I think it was really good. Still not entirely impressed with Shia LeBouf or Megan Fox (Acting wise), though she was the better of the two. Sam's parents were really good in this, I thought.
I didn't like The Fallen, piss poor character, and so was the whole Star Wars thing they had going on between him and Megatron. First off, Megatron being down on one knee; never. He bows to nobody, that didn't sit well with me. Secondly, I just didn't like The Fallen.
I'd say a 8.5/10, solidly. Possibly 9.
Overall, I think the hating needs to stop. It's not like a comic movie where there's a blatant history. There's a million different continuities in Transformers, and this is acceptably just another one. If I hear someone ***** about Prime not having flames, even still...I swear, I'll shank.
-AC
well like i've already said, i thought it was really good and, tho similar to the first in many ways far superior.
need to get the prequel comics as i hope they explain how bonecrusher and blackout made appearences despite them being killed in the first film. thought the final fight was short too.
the twins were alright, in a "i cant believe i'm not hating them and almost finding them slightly humourous", for comedic relief they were better than most films efforts. i personally thought soundwaves voice was pretty cool, similar to the old one but a bit more modernised.
as you said yourself, and as it says in end credits, its simply based on transformers so megatron kneeling before the fallen works fine, especially as in the original comics the story being very similar, so megatron kneeling before the creater of the decepticons is a pretty believable thing.
Originally posted by vandalworks
well like i've already said, i thought it was really good and, tho similar to the first in many ways far superior.need to get the prequel comics as i hope they explain how bonecrusher and blackout made appearences despite them being killed in the first film. thought the final fight was short too.
the twins were alright, in a "i cant believe i'm not hating them and almost finding them slightly humourous", for comedic relief they were better than most films efforts. i personally thought soundwaves voice was pretty cool, similar to the old one but a bit more modernised.
as you said yourself, and as it says in end credits, its simply based on transformers so megatron kneeling before the fallen works fine, especially as in the original comics the story being very similar, so megatron kneeling before the creater of the decepticons is a pretty believable thing.
Where on Earth did you get that it's smilar to the "original" comics? The series didn't originate in comics, for one thing. Megatron has never been depicted as a servant, he's just not that kind of character and to do so made him look considerably weak.
The Fallen was never a creator of Decepticons, even in the comics. He's a "fallen" herald of Unicron.
That wasn't Blackout, it was Grindor. As for Bonecrusher, no clue. A clone maybe.
-AC
Originally posted by Alpha Centauri
Where on Earth did you get that it's smilar to the "original" comics? The series didn't originate in comics, for one thing. Megatron has never been depicted as a servant, he's just not that kind of character and to do so made him look considerably weak.The Fallen was never a creator of Decepticons, even in the comics. He's a "fallen" herald of Unicron.
That wasn't Blackout, it was Grindor. As for Bonecrusher, no clue. A clone maybe.
-AC
from what i remember reading a while ago, unicron and another being(possibly omega prime?) were the creators of the transformers, the original consisting of a certain number... maybe 8-13 not enitrely sure. the fallen was one of those, and betrayed his brethren. unicron was the bad of the world, the other being was the good, and they were the universe's balance. the good being turned into cybertron and is seen in some of the original comics as a spirit when the autobots get deep within cybertron. the fallen did indeed become a herald for unicron, but he made some sort of betrayal beforehand to become this fallen character.