Transformers: Revenge Of The Fallen Trailer & Discussion *Possible Spoiler Orgy*

Originally posted by CadoAngelus
ok, i shall take the gauntlet...here goes

[b]3000-4000-god knows how many years ago: The 13 original Cybertronians (not Primes, keeping it true to the original story) are sent from Cybertron to harvest Energon...they find earth, blah blah blah. Vector Prime goes into the Void to watch time (like he does) ready to appear in the respective sequel to help the Autobots and Sam. Ultra Magnus stays on Cybertron to protect the All-Spark...jump forward to present day...

- Just to clear things up, a couple of things are just gonna be what i think should of been done in particular circumstances, not just a complete script re-write

Now from modern day: 'The Fallen' still included is trying to find this Sun-Harvester thing (I didn't have a problem with that). Autobots are part of an elite team of Cybertronians and Humans formed to protect the earth from the remaining threat of the Decepticons...(see i don't have many problems with the initial plot). Soundwave hacks military satellite to find location of Megatron, and Militarily store shard of the All-Spark (I thought it was silly having Sam have a shard in his pocket, 2 years after Megatrons death...stupid).

Soundwave drops Ravage to the location of the shard and the insecticons form that blade thing and steal the shard etc. Decepticons use the shard to resurrection Megatron, as Galvatron with all his respective powers (can't find a way to work Unicron in). Galvatron and the Decepticons return to where ever it is (one of Saturn's moons i think?). The Fallen says about "only a prime can destroy me blah".

Decepticons fall to earth again to make their presents known, Soundwave being used to broadcast the Fallen's message to the world. Autobots: Optimus Prime, Bumblebee, Iron Hide, Ratchet and Sideswipe find Decepticons: The Fallen, Starscream and Grindor (the Blackout clone) and an epic battle ensues. The Fallen is wounded but not severely, Grindor gets destroyed by Optimus's arm swords and iron hides massive cannons and starscream runs away like a girl. Optimus gets killed by The Fallen and The Fallen flys away somewhere...

Everyone's devastated by the death of Optimus, and the Autobots tell Sam that there is an Autobot (not ex-Decepticon turned Autobot) who knows how to resurrect Optimus - Jetfire, still the SR-71 Blackbird, but not decrepid. They go to whatever museum it is they find him in and awaken him, he tells them about the Matrix of Leadership. They go to the Egyptian desert they go to in the film and find the tomb of the Primes and the Matrix.

The army bring Optimus (to the same location as the film) and Sam and the Autobots go with him too. The Autobots already at the location with the army are: Arcee, Chromia, and Jolt (wasn't aware he was actually in the Film tbh). They defend against the impending wrath of the Decepticon army raining down, as much as possible, until the rest of the Autobots get there...

Meanwhile, The Fallen is roaming Egypt looking for the Sun-Harvester and eventually finds it...Galvatron has a disagreement with The Fallen, they battle but stalemate and Galvatron goes back to the Decepticon creating facility on Saturn's moon to harvest the power of the unborn Decepticons, and isn't heard from until the respective sequel.

The Fallen makes his last move, calling in Devastator (in his broken down form, and then they combine). Arcee and Sideswipe try to hold off Devastator as long as possible while the American navy power up that massive laser cannon, but instead of taking one hit, it takes several with help from Arcee and Sideswipe.

Eventually, several of the Constructicons are destroyed, making it so Devastator has to break apart into it's individual parts...Sam resurrects Optimus with the Matrix. Optimus helps fight the Decepticon army for a while while Arcee and Sideswipe fight off Rampage, Long Haul and Mixmaster (the other Construcitons being dead). Iron Hide goes to help Arcee and Sideswipe.

The Fallen eventually comes to the main fight, while Soundwave falls out of orbit and uncovers the rest of the Sun-Harvester. The Fallen gets briefly deterred by some of the US Abrams tanks before using his magnet power, he then takes down Bumblebee (but doesn't kill him) and Ratchet before Optimus tackles him. The Fallen then flys over to where Soundwave is and both start uncovering the Sun-Harvester...Jetfire combines with Optimus and Optimus flys over to soundwave and punts him away (wounding him and he then flys back into space), then Optimus deals with The Fallen...an Epic Battle ensues resulting in many spare parts being sprawled across the desert and both Optimus and The Fallen being wounded heavily.

The rest of the Autobots gather round The Fallen as Optimus gets up. The Fallen then says about how they're all weak and they'll never stop him...he then sends out a shock wave, knocking them all back, and he flys into space...the Autobots regather themselves and do whatever they do...

Cutting to Saturn's Moon again...The Fallen, heavily wounded finds Galvatron harvesting the energon from the unborn Decepticons and accosts him, Galvatron - still worked up about the disagreement they had - turns to him and destroys him...Soundwave (because he didn't go straight to Saturn's Moon) lands at the moon at the base and see's Galvatron hanging over The Fallens destroyed body. Galvatron looks up to see Soundwave standing there, and Soundwave gets down on one knee and bows...Galvatron laughs to fade

END!

there's a couple of holes that i couldn't find ways to fill, but generally this is how i think the film shoulda turned out...nevertheless, tell me what you think 😄 , criticism expected and wanted 😛 [/B]

Yeaaaaaaah! Proper Cybetronians. F*** the fallen/Primes thing in the movie.

"Starscream runs away like a girl" lolz Love it!
Very Starscream, that..

I agree about the silliness of Sam having the shard just loosely in his pocket...It'd surely just've have made him a regular target from Decepticon raiding parties since we last saw him in the last film...
It'd make the idea that he could hope to go to college in the middle of all the slaughting, violence and hitech mayhem very unlikely.
And I agree that the military storing it is a better idea for even just that one reason, if nothing else. Good call.

I like that we have a Rampage...Any Predaking reference is always a good one..!

Non Decrepid Jetfire! :thumbup:

Cool that Soundwave makes it to earth this time round, and your fight withthe Fallen was more epic than the one in the film. As it should have been.

So Galvatron feasts on the unborn...? lolz Man thats dark...? A TF-baby-vampire..!

Overall the story did feel like more of a finetune job to the movie to bring about that missing quotient of fan-happiness around. I like the lack of emphysis on fart/knob jokes. Take, note Bay!
No pretenders/college silliness. Much better. 🙂

Originally posted by stickman618
anyone think they should put together a "Committee of Nerds" for these writers and directors to consult before they murder our childhoods with sh**ty movies

LOLZ definitely.

Bay uses the "Commitee of product sponsorship", it would seem.

I reckon they should have hired Furman.
But I may be wrong, as it might be possible that the reason that they didn't was because they were protecting the audience.

For we humans are not built to experience that level of awesome and coolness, and our heads would all explode scanners style if we were to be treated to such a piece. 😛

Originally posted by Sadako of Girth
Yeaaaaaaah! Proper Cybetronians. F*** the fallen/Primes thing in the movie.

"Starscream runs away like a girl" lolz Love it!
Very Starscream, that..

I agree about the silliness of Sam having the shard just loosely in his pocket...It'd surely just've have made him a regular target from Decepticon raiding parties since we last saw him in the last film...
It'd make the idea that he could hope to go to college in the middle of all the slaughting, violence and hitech mayhem very unlikely.
And I agree that the military storing it is a better idea for even just that one reason, if nothing else. Good call.

I like that we have a Rampage...Any Predaking reference is always a good one..!

Non Decrepid Jetfire! :thumbup:

Cool that Soundwave makes it to earth this time round, and your fight withthe Fallen was more epic than the one in the film. As it should have been.

So Galvatron feasts on the unborn...? lolz Man thats dark...? A TF-baby-vampire..!

Overall the story did feel like more of a finetune job to the movie to bring about that missing quotient of fan-happiness around. I like the lack of emphysis on fart/knob jokes. Take, note Bay!
No pretenders/college silliness. Much better. 🙂

haha, thanks 😄 glad you like it. It took a while to remember the bits that didn't tie in with original transformers...and it took a bit more time to iron out the creases in Bays script.

The idea with Galvatron feeding off the unborn was something i had to add, just to show how dark he is, otherwise he woulda just been a glorified Megatron. I thought Soundwave deserved screen time, considering he's one of the major Decepticons. Starscream needed to be more like the original transformers, he started to look like it in the film, where he bowed cautiously to Megatron and The Fallen a lot, but he needed a bit more of his cowardous. And it was just cringeful to see Jetfire stumbling around with a walking stick, make me shudder, lol.

See, if Bay had just read a little bit more into Transformers as opposed to reading the first and last chapters of original Transformers chronology, he might of got less criticism and more fans walking away going "that was an acceptable sequel to a nicely adapted film...well done bay!"

Also: Baby TFs at all is ridulous notion that goes against everything that TFs is known to be.

Ive just rewatched it seenow how I somehow misread the implication of what those things were when Megatron is talking to the fallen, when I first saw it.. 2 further points off of my review of the movie, for that.

I hate that. I really hate that.

Those cretins.

What a pity. Ah well.

Another thing i noticed, and was wondering if anyone else noticed that the coordinates where they dropped prime at the daggers point or what ever it is called, is no where near where the pyramids are it's like 200miles or 320km away!!

Blimey....

No I did not know that.

There also appeard to be a clone of one of the constructicons stalking the village whilst devastator is combined elsewhere.

Continuity flaw?

When i saw it in the theater, and they showed the map where they were going to drop him, i was thinking HUH?? the pyramids are 200 mile west of that. That plus the crap ass fallen story and other errors like the air and space museum opening up to the bone yard in arizona is what make this move STUPID!

Either way, good reviews or not so good, this movie made Bay and the studios a lot of money, so they dont care.

Sad but true.

Well they deserved it a little more this time.

But was there the need for so many duplicate decepticons...?

There was a slightly smaller Megatron in that battle too, puzzlingly.
I hope its not Bob Megatron, his younger brother or some shit.

Originally posted by Sadako of Girth

There also appeard to be a clone of one of the constructicons stalking the village whilst devastator is combined elsewhere.

Continuity flaw?

Here it should explain on Bays forum.

http://www.shootfortheedit.com/forum/showthread.php?t=5413

From Bays forum site admin, Nelson.

Post The myth of "bad word of mouth"
The "audiences hated it because of bad word of mouth" is a myth fabricated lie by haters.

The box office disagrees with you.

Critics do not equal bad word of mouth.

Forums and blogs do not equal bad word of mouth (some online people are so insulated from reality they believe their online universe it actually bigger than than the universe itself).

Bad word of mouth equals a box-office bomb like "Pluto Nash" and these other movies. If TF2 would've had the same results as "The Island" then I would say you haters had a point.

From Paramount's internal exit polling:

Quote:
Paramount's national exit polling revealed several notable facts. While the first "Transformers" film, released in 2007, skewed 60-40 toward men over women, the split in the new film was more even at 54% male, 46% female. More than 90% of those surveyed said the new movie was as good as or better than the first film. About 67% of moviegoers polled said the film was "excellent," an even better score than that generated by Paramount's "Star Trek," one of the year's best-reviewed movies.
So haters, please entertain me with some made facts like how much $$$ this movie would've made if audience "really loved it" or how much money it would've made if critics would've loved it. You guys are really good at making shit up.

I know, eating the shit sandwich sucks, but hey, losers/haters always have to. I know how miserable you must have been while the audience clapped and cheered at the end. I know, it hurts you. That unnerves you. It's alright, go get some Jack Daniels, it's anesthesia for your broken-down soul. I know, it hurts when you guys are given the biggest middle finger of your lives by the movie audience. But In the words of Garland Greene:

Quote:
He's a font of misplaced rage. Name your cliché; Mother held him too much or not enough, last picked at kickball, late night sneaky uncle, whatever. Now he's so angry moments of levity actually cause him pain; gives him headaches. Happiness, for that gentleman, hurts.
Critics and haters have lost touch with what the movie audience really likes and enjoys. Haters and film critics, you and Uwe Boll have something in common: you're clueless.

What TF2 has proved is that critic reviews don't matter. When was the last time a movie rated at 21% was so popular with audiences and is on it's way to become one of the biggest money makers of all time?

Critics usually are like broken pencils, they have no point and are virtually useless. The only difference is that a pencil can be sharpened.

Just remember, in entertainment, money talks and bullshit walks.

It's been nice knowing you.

Oh, and one more thing.... Michael Bay took on all of you.
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See...? Lapdogs CAN talk....

Lulz.

Originally posted by Sadako of Girth
Sad but true.

Well they deserved it a little more this time.

But was there the need for so many duplicate decepticons...?

There was a slightly smaller Megatron in that battle too, puzzlingly.
I hope its not Bob Megatron, his younger brother or some shit.

Wouldnt that make it Primes other half younger brother also? Now he has a full brother.

One of the reasons it is doing so well is because all the fans of the original, myself included are going to see it cause we want to. and there is nothing anyone can do to stop us, but after the fans of the original see it and if we hate it it doesn't matter cause they have already made their money. for a movie like this big box office numbers don't mean anything cause people are only seeing it cause they saw the original and that one rocked.... too bad this one sucks.

Yep thats why all this 'if you didnt like it for any reason you are a hater' doesnt work.

But high box office cause dumb people like big shiny things, **** and explosions, is no comment on its content. 😛

AIDS is a very popular disease....but do I want it...?

Originally posted by The Nuul
From Bays forum site admin, Nelson.

Post The myth of "bad word of mouth"
The "audiences hated it because of bad word of mouth" is a myth fabricated lie by haters.

The box office disagrees with you.

Critics do not equal bad word of mouth.

Forums and blogs do not equal bad word of mouth (some online people are so insulated from reality they believe their online universe it actually bigger than than the universe itself).

Bad word of mouth equals a box-office bomb like "Pluto Nash" and these other movies. If TF2 would've had the same results as "The Island" then I would say you haters had a point.

From Paramount's internal exit polling:

Quote:
Paramount's national exit polling revealed several notable facts. While the first "Transformers" film, released in 2007, skewed 60-40 toward men over women, the split in the new film was more even at 54% male, 46% female. More than 90% of those surveyed said the new movie was as good as or better than the first film. About 67% of moviegoers polled said the film was "excellent," an even better score than that generated by Paramount's "Star Trek," one of the year's best-reviewed movies.
So haters, please entertain me with some made facts like how much $$$ this movie would've made if audience "really loved it" or how much money it would've made if critics would've loved it. You guys are really good at making shit up.

I know, eating the shit sandwich sucks, but hey, losers/haters always have to. I know how miserable you must have been while the audience clapped and cheered at the end. I know, it hurts you. That unnerves you. It's alright, go get some Jack Daniels, it's anesthesia for your broken-down soul. I know, it hurts when you guys are given the biggest middle finger of your lives by the movie audience. But In the words of Garland Greene:

Quote:
He's a font of misplaced rage. Name your cliché; Mother held him too much or not enough, last picked at kickball, late night sneaky uncle, whatever. Now he's so angry moments of levity actually cause him pain; gives him headaches. Happiness, for that gentleman, hurts.
Critics and haters have lost touch with what the movie audience really likes and enjoys. Haters and film critics, you and Uwe Boll have something in common: you're clueless.

What TF2 has proved is that critic reviews don't matter. When was the last time a movie rated at 21% was so popular with audiences and is on it's way to become one of the biggest money makers of all time?

Critics usually are like broken pencils, they have no point and are virtually useless. The only difference is that a pencil can be sharpened.

Just remember, in entertainment, money talks and bullshit walks.

It's been nice knowing you.

Oh, and one more thing.... Michael Bay took on all of you.
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Originally posted by Sadako of Girth
Yep thats why all this 'if you didnt like it for any reason you are a hater' doesnt work.

No, it's because you don't like these types of films, period. Has nothing to do with hating. You like some films I like, and hate others I like...and probably like some films that I hate.

That's how it works.

It's just that....I like films that more people like.

And yes, I am pretending your comment was directed at me, not for pretensousness sake, but for the sake of validating your point.

Originally posted by Sadako of Girth
But high box office cause dumb people like big shiny things, **** and explosions, is no comment on its content. 😛

AIDS is a very popular disease....but do I want it...?

HEY! People aren't stupid! 😠

(yes they are)

I saw it. I thought it was as good as could be expected for a movie about a war between two factions of transforming robots.

Originally posted by Sadako of Girth
Sad but true.

Well they deserved it a little more this time.

But was there the need for so many duplicate decepticons...?

There was a slightly smaller Megatron in that battle too, puzzlingly.
I hope its not Bob Megatron, his younger brother or some shit.

Originally posted by Darth Rex
Whoever thinks Revenge of the Fallen was crap.
Write out a storyline that would of been better and we'll rate it for you.

I have to admint when i saw the title revenge of the fallen
i thought the fallen meant the decepticons and megatron, not some stupid character that megatron bows down too.

This is just a rough idea and you'll have to fill in some of the blanks
but since it's going to be stomped on i saw no point in going into great detail, please be gentle.

MY idea,

Have it start out the same way, minus the fallen crap in 17000BC and show the autobots in china with the military.(that whole first scene and chase was great and felt like the first movie) instead of the decipticon saying the fallen shall rise again he can say "megatron will rise again"

We cut to sam getting ready to go to collage (without the stupid mini transformers and dogs humping) and no shard to implant images in his head. He brings Bee to collage with him cause why sit in the garage gathering dust?

When the secretary of defence or what ever he is gets to the ops center he gets introduced by name to all the autobots with rachet and ironhide included also a young Jetfire is there as the SR-71 Blackbird and is introduced as a decepticon that defected. Simmons is the commander of NEST. This can be the virtually the same as the current cut with sound wave eavesdropping and discovering the location of the shard and megatron. Soundwave disconnects from the satellite and heads into space.
Also there is no secret that the transformers exist! Everyone at hoover dam and in the city saw them how are you going to contain that?

We now see Sam at college getting setup with the mothers antics toned down, and no stupid roommate or human decepticon.

Cut to soundwave and starscream on their base on Saturn’s moon, arguing about resurrecting megatron, Starscream says it is impossible because the water is too deep and the pressure too great, Soundwave says we have endured much greater pressure on other planets. Soundwave wins or defies starscream and gathers 5 other decepticons by name to get the shard and megatron.

The 5 decipticons land close to the base and soundwave releases ravage to get the shard.
Now it can be the same as the movie. After that they head off to sea to get Megatron. On the decent one of the decepticons succumbs to the pressure. Sound wave says at least now we don’t have to dispose of one of you and they use this decepticon for parts for Megatron. Megatron instructs barricade to find and obtain sam while he deals with starscream. Megatron heads back to Saturn.

Cut to Sam back at the cemetery with Prime and Bumblebee. Same as the movie
We see soundwave back in orbit trying to track down Sam he finds him talking to mikala, and relays the location to Barricade (as the mustang)

Sam goes to the party, and Barricade finds and temporarily puts bumblebee out of commission and he assumes his form of the Camero. He does the same thing at the party as bumblebee did and traps Sam when he gets in. Mikala shows up the next day and finds bumblebee, she gets a hold of prime and the others and they come to investigate.

Back on the moon of Saturn, Megatron and Starscream are doing their usual bantering, and talking about the loss of the allspark and now ( I can’t think of anything else) harvesting the suns energy for energon so they can become more powerful and take over the universe/galaxy/world whatever, they get a message from Soundwave stating that they have Sam. Megatron “Excellent work soundwave” He instructs them to take the boy to some remote isolated place where they will set up the harvester. He looks at Starscream and says ”First the boy and Prime then the world!!” They take off and head back to earth. Then show soundwave communicating with all the decepticons in the text format telling them to move out.

Jetfire while flying recon detects the decepticons entering earths atmosphere. He flies to Prime’s location and informs them and NEST. They meet at the airbase and they move out to intercept them. With Jetfire flying there in an hour or less with mikala and sams roommate (No stupid teleport). Cause if Megatron and Starscream can make it to Saturn and back in no time then a trip across the globe should be easy. Megatron arrives and is about to kill Sam and Jetfire gets there first and a battle happens, a short while later the rest of the autobots show up and they destroy the sun harvester and a few decepticons, a couple of the autobots die too and megatron is defeted and leaves with the rest of the decepticons.
The end.
Or if you want megatron is defeated and is put in a huge metal shredder so the is next to no chance of him coming back, except maybe as galvatron in the next movie if unicorn or whatever it is called comes along. (although I wasn’t fussy for galvatron.)

Originally posted by darthmaul1
I have to admint when i saw the title revenge of the fallen
i thought the fallen meant the decepticons and megatron, not some stupid character that megatron bows down too.

Idjit. The Fallen is a recurring character in many transformers stories. ..most especailly, the marvel comic.

Originally posted by darthmaul1
This is just a rough idea and you'll have to fill in some of the blanks
but since it's going to be stomped on i saw no point in going into great detail, please be gentle.

I'll be gentle. Fer realz.

Originally posted by darthmaul1
MY idea,

Have it start out the same way, minus the fallen crap in 17000BC and show the autobots in china with the military.(that whole first scene and chase was great and felt like the first movie) instead of the decipticon saying the fallen shall rise again he can say "megatron will rise again"

We cut to sam getting ready to go to collage (without the stupid mini transformers and dogs humping) and no shard to implant images in his head. He brings Bee to collage with him cause why sit in the garage gathering dust?

When the secretary of defence or what ever he is gets to the ops center he gets introduced by name to all the autobots with rachet and ironhide included also a young Jetfire is there as the SR-71 Blackbird and is introduced as a decepticon that defected. Simmons is the commander of NEST. This can be the virtually the same as the current cut with sound wave eavesdropping and discovering the location of the shard and megatron. Soundwave disconnects from the satellite and heads into space.
Also there is no secret that the transformers exist! Everyone at hoover dam and in the city saw them how are you going to contain that?

We now see Sam at college getting setup with the mothers antics toned down, and no stupid roommate or human decepticon.

Cut to soundwave and starscream on their base on Saturn’s moon, arguing about resurrecting megatron, Starscream says it is impossible because the water is too deep and the pressure too great, Soundwave says we have endured much greater pressure on other planets. Soundwave wins or defies starscream and gathers 5 other decepticons by name to get the shard and megatron.

The 5 decipticons land close to the base and soundwave releases ravage to get the shard.
Now it can be the same as the movie. After that they head off to sea to get Megatron. On the decent one of the decepticons succumbs to the pressure. Sound wave says at least now we don’t have to dispose of one of you and they use this decepticon for parts for Megatron. Megatron instructs barricade to find and obtain sam while he deals with starscream. Megatron heads back to Saturn.

Cut to Sam back at the cemetery with Prime and Bumblebee. Same as the movie
We see soundwave back in orbit trying to track down Sam he finds him talking to mikala, and relays the location to Barricade (as the mustang)

Sam goes to the party, and Barricade finds and temporarily puts bumblebee out of commission and he assumes his form of the Camero. He does the same thing at the party as bumblebee did and traps Sam when he gets in. Mikala shows up the next day and finds bumblebee, she gets a hold of prime and the others and they come to investigate.

Back on the moon of Saturn, Megatron and Starscream are doing their usual bantering, and talking about the loss of the allspark and now ( I can’t think of anything else) harvesting the suns energy for energon so they can become more powerful and take over the universe/galaxy/world whatever, they get a message from Soundwave stating that they have Sam. Megatron “Excellent work soundwave” He instructs them to take the boy to some remote isolated place where they will set up the harvester. He looks at Starscream and says ”First the boy and Prime then the world!!” They take off and head back to earth. Then show soundwave communicating with all the decepticons in the text format telling them to move out.

Jetfire while flying recon detects the decepticons entering earths atmosphere. He flies to Prime’s location and informs them and NEST. They meet at the airbase and they move out to intercept them. With Jetfire flying there in an hour or less with mikala and sams roommate (No stupid teleport). Cause if Megatron and Starscream can make it to Saturn and back in no time then a trip across the globe should be easy. Megatron arrives and is about to kill Sam and Jetfire gets there first and a battle happens, a short while later the rest of the autobots show up and they destroy the sun harvester and a few decepticons, a couple of the autobots die too and megatron is defeted and leaves with the rest of the decepticons.
The end.
Or if you want megatron is defeated and is put in a huge metal shredder so the is next to no chance of him coming back, except maybe as galvatron in the next movie if unicorn or whatever it is called comes along. (although I wasn’t fussy for galvatron.)

I was liking it for the first half. A lot of stuff was cut out that I think would have made the film better. Kudos on that.

However, once they get to Megatron, I'm confused at to what is actually happening in your story.

Yout got the first half right...and I think that's they way it should have been written, for the most part, minus your exclusion of The Fallen being part of the picture.