The Fury(Most powerful version) vs Solar Man of Atom

Originally posted by TricksterPriest
Solar has never been beaten. The only problem he had is that his powers had no limits and he didn't know everything about them at first. He got much better at using them during his series.

Solar literally had no weaknesses at all.

Coming to discuss with the idea of "Solar cannot be beaten" is pretty pointless if you ask me. I think that if Fury cannot find a way to beat Solar, Solar has it in the pocket.

I haven't seen anything that remotely points out as having no weakness, actually someone already mentioned that Solar's experience is his own weakness, any way of striping him of his experience could work to beat him.
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Originally posted by Mr Master
Interesting although the on panel fact is,
that Scatterbrain literally expands your consciousness across the Omniverse's.

So unless the Fury and the guard contain the Omniverse in their heads,
I have to disagree good friend with your interpretation.

They didn't, but like Galactus doesn't need to contain Taa II in his brain in order for him to feel what is going in it (thanks to his cosmic Awarness) then why should Scatterbrains attack be any different? Fury shut down his mind in order to counter her attack, which makes sense since your consciousness is located in your brain and that was what was being expanded. And the moment Fury's mind was shut down, time was normal, if someone stopped time around you your mind wouldn't be the only thing that was affected. Merely my interpretation Friend 🙂

Originally posted by Mr Master
Correct, and Fury witrhstood both attacks,
adapted,
and owned both of them.

ScatterBrain he owned with ease, MJJ on the other hand nah, plus Fury had to adapt as the battle progressed.

Originally posted by Mr Master
Why would he,
when he realized warping ALL the Concepts (Reality) wasn't enough.

Exactly when did MJJ (which is named Mad for a reason) realise that Reality wasn't enough? To me it seemed more like he was playing around with fury, the only thing that he Utilized against him was 1. Initially warping Reality around him 2. Getting into a Physical Confrontation with him. I cannot see how you based on the Initial warp can say that MJJ realized that all Concepts wasn't enough, because the entire reason he was warped into a ball was so that MJJ could hit him like he would hit a boxing bold.

Yep. Really, really bad/biased interpretaion of Scatterbrain's power by Mr. Masters right there.

Fine, according the panel, it seems like it EXPANDS your mind to take in the omniverse causing you to either space out or pass out. It's STILL not a temporal attack. It's a mental attack with an awareness expansion sensation attached to it. Wouldn't it make more sense to cut out your brain when you're being attacked mentally not temporally?

Actually, I can SEE how you can TECHNICALLY classify SOME sort of temporal nature to the attack, but if that's the case, you've completely misrepresented the nature of what a temporal attack is simply to allow for people to accept that the Fury can withstand temporal attacks.

For argument's sake, I can go as much as to agree that it is a mental attack with temporal-like expansion effects, but that's about as far as I'd go with that.

But even for the sake of argument, lets say he could adapt to temporal attacks. We KNOW the Fury has limits and CAN be destroyed. The Fury depleted his energy stores when he fought MJJ then got owned by a beatdown (see the scans above).

Yes, we know that the caliber of opponent he fought was the reason he depleted his stores. But Solar ain't no spring chicken either, Solar will deplete the Fury's stores just as MJJ did. Cept that BFR won't work with Solar. He can enter/leave anywhere, anytime, anyhow. Porting him to a place where there's no energy won't work. Someone already tried trapping him using BFR already. Didn't work.

http://i238.photobucket.com/albums/ff191/Galan_photos/solar95.jpg

http://i238.photobucket.com/albums/ff191/Galan_photos/solar96.jpg

So exactly how does the Fury win here?

PS. Tossing around emoticons really doesn't help this debate in any way. Just shows your maturity level...

Originally posted by TricksterPriest
Solar has never been beaten. The only problem he had is that his powers had no limits and he didn't know everything about them at first. He got much better at using them during his series.

Solar literally had no weaknesses at all.

But it's a moot point anyway. Fury never once displayed any sort of magical powers.

Originally posted by D_Dude1210
Yep. Really, really bad/biased interpretaion of Scatterbrain's power by Mr. Masters right there.

Fine, according the panel, it seems like it EXPANDS your mind to take in the omniverse causing you to either space out or pass out. It's STILL not a temporal attack. It's a mental attack with an awareness expansion sensation attached to it. Wouldn't it make more sense to cut out your brain when you're being attacked mentally not temporally?

Actually, I can SEE how you can TECHNICALLY classify SOME sort of temporal nature to the attack, but if that's the case, you've completely misrepresented the nature of what a temporal attack is simply to allow for people to accept that the Fury can withstand temporal attacks.

For argument's sake, I can go as much as to agree that it is a mental attack with temporal-like expansion effects, but that's about as far as I'd go with that.

But even for the sake of argument, lets say he could adapt to temporal attacks. We KNOW the Fury has limits and CAN be destroyed. The Fury depleted his energy stores when he fought MJJ then got owned by a beatdown (see the scans above).

Yes, we know that the caliber of opponent he fought was the reason he depleted his stores. But Solar ain't no spring chicken either, Solar will deplete the Fury's stores just as MJJ did. Cept that BFR won't work with Solar. He can enter/leave anywhere, anytime, anyhow. Porting him to a place where there's no energy won't work. Someone already tried trapping him using BFR already. Didn't work.

http://i238.photobucket.com/albums/ff191/Galan_photos/solar95.jpg

http://i238.photobucket.com/albums/ff191/Galan_photos/solar96.jpg

So exactly how does the Fury win here?

PS. Tossing around emoticons really doesn't help this debate in any way. Just shows your maturity level...

Also, what's stopping Solar from simply pulling the energy from Fury?

Probably the Fury adapting. It doesn't really matter really, the combat is more about Fury being able to put down Solar than Solar not being able to put down Fury, eventually any one with enough power should take Fury down.

I remember brining energy drains, and time manipulations as means to halt the Fury.

Originally posted by id369
I remember brining energy drains, and time manipulations as means to halt the Fury.

He may be able to evolve from it, considering he has evolved from being something else altogether.

Finding an easy way to beat the Fury is pretty much downplaying the character. However, Solar has enough gas to put his to enough stress to aim for its energy depleting.

I would certainly wouldn't say that Kang beats the Fury by time freeze...

Originally posted by Bentley
Probably the Fury adapting. It doesn't really matter really,

That said, how could something evolve beyond being energy at some level, if everything = energy?

Originally posted by Bentley
the combat is more about Fury being able to put down Solar

In simple terms. James developed into an omniversal threat, yet the Fury managed to adapt to his abilities and take him out.

Solar might've been a universal (maybe a multiversal) threat, but pale in comparison to Jaspers.

Furthermore Solar did never create anything from scratch, but rather manipulate different forms of energy and matter--so he's the same as James, but on a lesser scale.

Even the universe he created, all the building blocks were there.

Meaning he would be brought out to no-space where there is no energy to manipulate. It's the same thing as he did to Jaspers. It's almost amusing how blind people here really are.

Solar has no chance what so ever of winning this.

Originally posted by Bentley
He may be able to evolve from it, considering he has evolved from being something else altogether.

Finding an easy way to beat the Fury is pretty much downplaying the character. However, Solar has enough gas to put his to enough stress to aim for its energy depleting.

I would certainly wouldn't say that Kang beats the Fury by time freeze...

MJJ should have one the fight against the Fury. He is MJJ Prime, he could have made up a million versions of his own Fury to combat the lone one from an alternate reality. Instead his character was seemingly was narrow-minded in taking out the Fury with constant reality alterations.

Originally posted by Galan007
Per Solar, everything is energy - and he controls all energy.

Beside that, how could something evolve beyond being energy, if everything = energy at some level?

How could something evolve beyond being something else? When you are something else then you stop being what you are.

Also you assume that nothing can stop Solar for controlling energy, Fury should be able to evolve from being controlled -heck, Doomsday for sure would-.

Originally posted by Galan007
Which is a point no one has really addressed. Fury did nothing on panel which makes me think he'd beat Solar. I mean, the way he beat MJJ simply would not work.

That to me is the cornerstone of the question, it seems that Solar has no weakness and thus is considered unbeatable. MJJ had no apparent weakness and Fury exploited one.

Its up to interpretation on whether Fury can find a way to put him down or not. Fans of the Fury say he might, fans of Solar say its impossible. Its up to opinion if you ask me.

Originally posted by Astner
Meaning he would be brought out to no-space where there is no energy to manipulate.

Then what? Fury's going to fry Solar's non-existant brain? 😂

Unlike MJJ, Solar is not powerless when there's nothing around to manipulate.

Originally posted by id369
Downplaying the character? Time manipulation, is a vary broken ability. I don’t think it downplays the character at all. And energy drain is a viable option, especially if its coming from some one like Solar. The Fury could adapt, but Solar would simply change the frequency of how he applies his energy drain him over and over. If The Fury is in a limbo less state due, to the time manipulation that could spell huge amounts of trouble.

MJJ should have one the fight against the Fury. He is MJJ Prime, he could have made up a million versions of his own Fury to combat the lone one from an alternate reality. Instead his character was seemingly was narrow-minded in taking out the Fury with constant reality alterations.

Kang can also send his beams in a billion ways each millisecond. If you think Solar can beat the Fury so can Kang.

And MJJ's losing is very much PIS. The fact stands that Fury had the potential to kill him. In this combat people aren't even giving Fury a fighting chance.

Originally posted by Galan007
😂

Then what? Fury's going to fry Solar's non-existant brain?

In simple terms. James developed into an omniversal threat, yet the Fury managed to adapt to his abilities and take him out.

MJJ never became an Omniverasl threat. At best he warped his dimension, within a reality when the Fury was done with him.

Originally posted by Bentley
Also you assume that nothing can stop Solar for controlling energy, Fury should be able to evolve from being controlled

Originally posted by id369
MJJ never became an Omniverasl threat. At best he warped his dimension, within a reality when the Fury was done with him.

He was a threat to the Omniverse, it's even stated on panel.

Originally posted by Galan007
The biggest problem with arguments I've seen in favor of Fury, is that word right there.

Its a fight that never happened, it is speculation, specially in levels so high that its hard to even call what is really happening.

Why should we think that Solar will control the Fury contrary to his story of adaptation? Because Solar is a cooler character and we like it better?

In this forum there are things that would override Solar's control, that's a fact.

Originally posted by Astner
As stupidity at its finest.

He was a threat to the Omniverse, it's even stated on panel.

But ok, lets see godly omniversal feats.

Originally posted by id369
Tsk, tsk. Temper. Temper.

But ok, lets see godly omniversal feats.

Resisting the Celestial Nullifier?

Originally posted by Bentley
Because Solar is a cooler character and we like it better?

As James power grew exponentially Fury constantly adapted and fought him a standstill, later she found a flaw in his powers and pulled him out to no-space.

Now I know this was badly illustrated, but no-space is no-space. There will be no, absolutely no form of energy to manipulate. Solar would be as powerless as Jaspers.

Originally posted by id369
Tsk, tsk. Temper. Temper.

But ok, lets see godly omniversal feats.

None the less, Jaspers warped a universe and went beyond that, that's pretty much what Solar has done. But James power grew, Solar's didn't.