Originally posted by TricksterPriest
Irrelevant. Nefaria will never hit him.
Sometimes these posts make no sense. It's been stated that CN has taken on a strong roster of Avengers (Earth's mightiest heroes) and won, yet there are still a few out there saying he could never come close to Superman. Why don't we turn the question around. Could Superman defeat that same team of Avengers?
Originally posted by TricksterPriest
He may flinch, but he's taken hits from Zod, Darkseid, Martian Manhunter, White martians, Wonder Woman, Orion, do I really have to list this? 😬
And it occurs to me that the feat I'm talking about may be being misunderstood so I'll clarify so no one thinks I'm trying to misrepresent things. I'm not talking about Neferia actually taking a shot from Thor without flinching, I'm talking about his taking one from classic Wonderman(who was just shy of Thor's level of strength but hit with power comparable to Thor's hammer).
Superman has pulled the 'without flinching' move on quite a few opponents. For example, against DoS Doomsday, and that didn't mean that he was vastly superior in strength/durability to his opponent. Not at all, actually.
And if we start comparing durability/strength feats, it'll end badly for Nefaria.
Originally posted by Brak Dayton
Sometimes these posts make no sense. It's been stated that CN has taken on a strong roster of Avengers (Earth's mightiest heroes) and won, yet there are still a few out there saying he could never come close to Superman. Why don't we turn the question around. Could Superman [B]defeat that same team of Avengers? [/B]
What was that team? Vision, Wonderman, Thor, Scarlet *****, and who else?
Yeah, I can easily see Superman mowing them down. They just can't hit him. 😄
Originally posted by Philosophía
Superman has pulled the 'without flinching' move on quite a few opponents. For example, against DoS Doomsday, and that didn't mean that he was vastly superior in strength/durability to his opponent. Not at all, actually.And if we start comparing durability/strength feats, it'll end badly for Nefaria.
Originally posted by TricksterPriest
What was that team? Vision, Wonderman, Thor, Scarlet *****, and who else?Yeah, I can easily see Superman mowing them down. They just can't hit him. 😄
Originally posted by TricksterPriest
Speed KILLS. He has nothing that puts him over Superman in terms of strength or durability.
...seems more than a little inaccurate.
Originally posted by TricksterPriest
That's one of countless feats. And that was a much weaker Superman.
Countless or imaginary? If it's happened so often you shouldn't have any trouble finding at least one example.
Originally posted by darthgoober
DD was getting stronger as the fight went on, I'm willing to bet that Supes was stronger than he at that point. And Classic Thor was superior to DOS Supes(and therefor DD) in strength by a fair share.
Immediatley after doing that, Superman was sent flying by being hit with such a force that he said he doesn't know if he's ever been hit that hard. He then proceeded with the beating of Superman and the rest of the Justice League, taking their combined assault and trashing multiple opponents at once.
You missed my point. I'm not stating that DoS Doomsday is as strong as Thor, since that's irrelevant. I'm using this example to prove that even if you are taking a hit without flinching, it doesn't make you that far off from your opponent, thus Nefaria doing it isn't supposed to make me go "OMGWOW".
Feat by feat, Superman is better in every category.
Originally posted by Philosophía
Immediatley after doing that, Superman was sent flying by being hit with such a force that he said he doesn't know if he's ever been hit that hard. He then proceeded with the beating of Superman and the rest of the Justice League, taking their combined assault and trashing multiple opponents at once.You missed my point. I'm not stating that DoS Doomsday is as strong as Thor, since that's irrelevant. I'm using this example to prove that even if you are taking a hit without flinching, it doesn't make you that far off from your opponent, thus Nefaria doing it isn't supposed to make me go "OMGWOW".
Feat by feat, Superman is better in every category.
And while Supes high end feats are unquestionably more impressive(everyone in the "High Herald" category has at least one or two feats that make you stop and say WTF) the fact of the matter is that he's got plenty of low ended feats that bring his average down from those levels. Count Neferia lacks low ended feats like that except for periods of being depowered so his high end feats ARE his average. He's appeared two times at full power to my knowledge, in one he went through an extended battle with the Avengers(including Thor) and the other he fought an extended battle against the Avengers and the Thunderbolts. If you're claiming that Supes average display of durability is on par with those kinds of things then at I'd be happy to take a look at the evidence to support it.
Originally posted by Brak Dayton
Count Nefaria is very tough. He beat all the Avengers including Wonder Man, Iron Man, Vision and Thor. He stopped Thor's hammer. hundred times faster than Quicksilver and the Whizzer. Yep, he is stronger than Superman and more ruthless.And as far as I know JLA/Avengers IS canon.
Originally posted by Galvaclaw
And the same guy who wrote that crossover also said Superman was stronger than Nefaria. Where are you going with this?6/10 for Superman. Guys been churning out sub pre crisis feats lately.
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This is kinda lopsided...
CN was introduced as a team wrecking villain. They rarely have low showings. Look at Thanos, Konvikt, Amazo, etc. They come in embarass a team of heroes and then get shuffled off using some plot device.
If Nefaria appeared more regularly, he would no doubt have some lower showings to give a more well rounded average. But at this point we are looking at:
Superman- lots of low showings over the years
Nefaria- no low showings
Originally posted by darthgoober
You seem to be forgetting that DD was still partially tied up when Supes was unphased by DD's punch. DD was able to sent him flying with a kick afterwards like that because his legs weren't bound. Taking a punch without flinching in the slightest from someone with Thor and classic Wonderman's strength is incredibly impressive, just as it would be impressive if someone didn't bat an eye after taking a punch from Supes.And while Supes high end feats are unquestionably more impressive(everyone in the "High Herald" category has at least one or two feats that make you stop and say WTF) the fact of the matter is that he's got plenty of low ended feats that bring his average down from those levels. Count Neferia lacks low ended feats like that except for periods of being depowered so his high end feats ARE his average. He's appeared two times at full power to my knowledge, in one he went through an extended battle with the Avengers(including Thor) and the other he fought an extended battle against the Avengers and the Thunderbolts. If you're claiming that Supes average display of durability is on par with those kinds of things then at I'd be happy to take a look at the evidence to support it.
He had one hand tied up, which was freed once they all attacked him in unison. But I don't see how that's relevant to Superman being unphased by the punch, unless you're suggesting that having his other hand tied up drastically reduced the power of the other punch. Yes, what Nefaria did is impressive, but not certainly soemthing that definitely puts him above Superman, as Superman is also quite a bit above the other two when it comes to strength. The main point is, and I repeat, that the feat is impressive, but not impressive enough to definitely put him above Superman in terms of durability.
Yes, he does have low feats, but that is because he's an earth-bound hero, with thousands of appearances. And it's also made quite clear that he holds back pretty much 99% of the time. I can show you fights, for example, where he is getting knocked around a lot, yet once he gets serious (and by serious I mean not underestimating his opponent, not going 'all out'😉 he quite literally handles them with ease and one-shots them.
Originally posted by Philosophía
He had one hand tied up, which was freed once they all attacked him in unison. But I don't see how that's relevant to Superman being unphased by the punch, unless you're suggesting that having his other hand tied up drastically reduced the power of the other punch. Yes, what Nefaria did is impressive, but not certainly soemthing that definitely puts him above Superman, as Superman is also quite a bit above the other two when it comes to strength. The main point is, and I repeat, that the feat is impressive, but not impressive enough to definitely put him above Superman in terms of durability.
Originally posted by Philosophía
Yes, he does have low feats, but that is because he's an earth-bound hero, with thousands of appearances. And it's also made quite clear that he holds back pretty much 99% of the time. I can show you fights, for example, where he is getting knocked around a lot, yet once he gets serious (and by serious I mean not underestimating his opponent, not going 'all out'😉 he quite literally handles them with ease and one-shots them.