Count Nefaria vs Superman · Comic Book 'Versus' Forum

TricksterPriest Renegade Timelord

Honestly, this is a waste of time. And I've already said he could take the beating and unlike Nefaria, he could pull the win.

Doomsday by virtue of speed. And you're comparing Hulk to Konvikt? Superman said he was hitting him with blows that could smash small planets. Nuff said. Everybody needs to stop putting Hulk against people like Superman. It's just a mismatch.

Mekrob Dead

Originally posted by TricksterPriest
Honestly, this is a waste of time. And I've already said he could take the beating and unlike Nefaria, he could pull the win.
Doomsday by virtue of speed. And you're comparing Hulk to Konvikt? Superman said he was hitting him with blows that could smash small planets. Nuff said. Everybody needs to stop putting Hulk against people like Superman. It's just a mismatch.

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kgkg Vigilante

Originally posted by TricksterPriest
Honestly, this is a waste of time. And I've already said he could take the beating and unlike Nefaria, he could pull the win.
Doomsday by virtue of speed. And you're comparing Hulk to Konvikt? Superman said he was hitting him with blows that could smash small planets. Nuff said. Everybody needs to stop putting Hulk against people like Superman. It's just a mismatch.

Hulk is a top tier in comic so i don't see why not.

Sure Superman wins but you make it sound like Hulk does not belong with top tiers

kgkg Vigilante

Originally posted by Mekrob
But doesn't that make Superman equal to them no matter what?
But not against BA, and I doubt Orion (maybe).

Equal as in if there were fighting each other? Sure

But overall Superman does better against opponents that’s why IMO Superman > CM , BA, Orion etc

Another reason could be they have minor magic advantage.

either way argument could be made that CM , BA are his equal at best with all of Superman feat like T.VO , Darkseid etc he is better than them.

Mekrob Dead

Originally posted by kgkg
Equal as in if there were fighting each other? Sure
But overall Superman does better against opponents that’s why IMO Superman > CM , BA, Orion etc
Another reason could be they have minor magic advantage.
either way argument could be made that CM , BA are his equal at best with all of Superman feat like T.VO , Darkseid etc he is better than them.

Which is what equal indicates...

So, he does better against different opponents so that means he's better?

Only when they magicharge their punches, or use lightning.

Uh... huh...

kgkg Vigilante

Originally posted by Mekrob

So, he does better against different opponents so that means he's better?[/

Yes. Which could indicate he is not using everything in his arsenal when fighting them or holding back.

Writers have portrayed Superman every differently if superman needs to win he will.

Based on feats , Based on his tendencies to hold back , based on more types of attack shown ie T.Vo he would be above them

The difference isn’t big but it’s there IMO

darthgoober Senior Member

Originally posted by TricksterPriest
Honestly, this is a waste of time. And I've already said he could take the beating and unlike Nefaria, he could pull the win.

You know that's funny, because I can think of numerous instances of Supes being put down by less than the combined efforts of Thor, Classic Wonderman, Vision, Ironman, and the Scarlet Witch...

As I said before...

Originally posted by darthgoober
No it's a way of saying "Supes/Surfer/Thor/Flash shouldn't be judged solely on their preformances against Darkseid/Unilord/Celestials/Black Flash because they have plenty of showings that are far less impressive". It's a subjective topic, but then again so are most things being discussed on the vs Forum.
But if people would rather go solely by high end feats I guess we could just say that no one less powerful than Darkseid/Unilord can beat Supes/Surfer, no one less durable than a Celestial can survive a shot from Thor's hammer, and no one slower than Death can catch the Flash, regardless of how often other characters accomplish those very feats.
But I won't press the point, if you're done that's cool...

Originally posted by TricksterPriest
Doomsday by virtue of speed. And you're comparing Hulk to Konvikt? Superman said he was hitting him with blows that could smash small planets. Nuff said. Everybody needs to stop putting Hulk against people like Superman. It's just a mismatch.

I didn't ask who would win between DD and Grey Hulk, I asked who was stronger. As for Hulk and Konvik... 😂 Who has more numerous feats since that what you seem to think matters most?

TricksterPriest Renegade Timelord

Quality, not quantity. I will never put Hulk on the same level as Superman.

quanchi112 Disney

Originally posted by kgkg
Equal as in if there were fighting each other? Sure
But overall Superman does better against opponents that’s why IMO Superman > CM , BA, Orion etc
Another reason could be they have minor magic advantage.
either way argument could be made that CM , BA are his equal at best with all of Superman feat like T.VO , Darkseid etc he is better than them.

Who has Superman done better against than BA?

quanchi112 Disney

Originally posted by TricksterPriest
Quality, not quantity. I will never put Hulk on the same level as Superman.

Hulk has his fair share of quality though.

darthgoober Senior Member

Originally posted by TricksterPriest
Quality, not quantity. I will never put Hulk on the same level as Superman.

Forget Supes for a sec, I'm talking about Hulk and Konvik. Hulk's thunderclapped away a galaxy busting attack, has Konvik done anything like that? If not and you're of the opinion that Konvik's stronger than you seem to be catering to a double standard...

And you never answered, who's stronger Grey Hulk or DOS DD?

kgkg Vigilante

Originally posted by quanchi112
Who has Superman done better against than BA?

They haven't fought similar opponents.

but Dominus , Darksied etc

Galan007 |Quantum Observer|

Originally posted by darthgoober
You know that's funny, because I can think of numerous instances of Supes being put down by less than the combined efforts of Thor, Classic Wonderman, Vision, Ironman, and the Scarlet Witch...

Same coin, Iron Man's beaten Neffy, iirc.

TricksterPriest Renegade Timelord

Originally posted by darthgoober
Forget Supes for a sec, I'm talking about Hulk and Konvik. Hulk's thunderclapped away a galaxy busting attack, has Konvik done anything like that? If not and you're of the opinion that Konvik's stronger than you seem to be catering to a double standard...
And you never answered, who's stronger Grey Hulk or DOS DD?

Now wait just a god damn minute. The thunderclap was in a dimension where the effect of the clap resonated with the dimension and caused a chain reaction destroying the place. Hulk did not thunderclap that attack away under his own power. Quit misrepresenting.

I am catering to the standard that anyone who fights Superman is inherently superior to Hulk. 😉

Eh, dont' care enough about DOS vs. Grey to argue it.

darthgoober Senior Member

Originally posted by Galan007
Same coin, Iron Man's beaten Neffy, iirc.

Not a full power that I can remember. I'm pretty sure Neferia was going through one of his phases where he was low on Ionic energy and was on the hunt for more if I'm remembering correctly. Of course if I'm not and Ironman beat him strait up while he was at full power than I resend my previous arguments and concede the point because my high opinion of Neferia is derived from high showings that aren't contradicted...

Mekrob Dead

Originally posted by kgkg
Yes. Which could indicate he is not using everything in his arsenal when fighting them or holding back.
Writers have portrayed Superman every differently if superman needs to win he will.
Based on feats , Based on his tendencies to hold back , based on more types of attack shown ie T.Vo he would be above them
The difference isn’t big but it’s there IMO

No it doesn't...

The only way this logic would even remotely hold true is if Superman's equals had also failed against these fellows (or tasks).
You might as well be arguing for the more feats angle.

But his tendencies to hold back is completely irrelevant if he's not holding back against his equals.

T-Vo is the only thing that would put him above anyone else. Without the 'recently' introduced attack, he would have nothing, since direct comparisons show so, no?

Mekrob Dead

Originally posted by TricksterPriest
I am catering to the standard that anyone who fights Superman is inherently superior to Hulk. 😉

Toyman

Doesn't this logic violate the 'no bias' rule as well?

quanchi112 Disney

Originally posted by kgkg
They haven't fought similar opponents.
but Dominus , Darksied etc

So you have nothing to prove Superman is better than Black adam. That is my point. When has superman ever beaten down captain marvel as easily as Black Adam has in the jsa comic?

quanchi112 Disney

Originally posted by TricksterPriest
Now wait just a god damn minute. The thunderclap was in a dimension where the effect of the clap resonated with the dimension and caused a chain reaction destroying the place. Hulk did not thunderclap that attack away under his own power. Quit misrepresenting.
I am catering to the standard that anyone who fights Superman is inherently superior to Hulk. 😉
Eh, dont' care enough about DOS vs. Grey to argue it.

So feats are meaningless when they are from a marvel character?

darthgoober Senior Member

Originally posted by TricksterPriest
Now wait just a god damn minute. The thunderclap was in a dimension where the effect of the clap resonated with the dimension and caused a chain reaction destroying the place. Hulk did not thunderclap that attack away under his own power. Quit misrepresenting.

Did it attribute credit to the dimension in question or is that a fan theory that you or someone else cooked up? Anyway, Hulk's also kept matter and anti-matter sphere's separated by physical force so does Konvik got any feats like that, or are you basing your opinion of Konvik's abilities off his showing as a team buster?

Originally posted by TricksterPriest
I am catering to the standard that anyone who fights Superman is inherently superior to Hulk. 😉

Translation "I make lots of biased claims..."

Originally posted by TricksterPriest
Eh, dont' care enough about DOS vs. Grey to argue it.

Seeing as how it kills your reasoning here I can understand why...