Count Nefaria vs Superman

Started by LordofBrooklyn11 pages
LordofBrooklyn Senior Member

Originally posted by TricksterPriest
Superman is on a different level compared to Nefaria. Thor is the only person who could actually stop him. Everyone else is fodder. Sonic boom. Dead. Thunderclap. Dead. Heat Vision. Dead. Freeze Breath. Dead.

"Even in dc he isn't above Orion, Black Adam, etc. He is on their level so at the end of the day he is just a top tier." ...........Clearly you do not read enough Superman. 😐

Most of the 'help' is useless. Superman can rip through them with ease. Thor alone might stop him. But then again, if Superman fights smart and uses his speed, he can definitely win.

Superman is not dismissing Wonder Man when at KMC levels with anything close to what you're describing.

TricksterPriest Renegade Timelord

Do I really have to list the things he's tanked that are worse than that beating? You guys aren't listening. Thor is the only one who would actually hurt Superman. The rest are nothing.

Entropy, Omega Beams, Astro Force, the fight with Zod under a red sun, carrying Bleed in his system during Beyond, actually dying to DD Rex, Henshaw, double black holes, need I go on? Nobody has feats like Superman.

Let's not even get into the fact that PC is becoming canon again. 😬

quanchi112 Disney

Originally posted by TricksterPriest
Superman is on a different level compared to Nefaria. Thor is the only person who could actually stop him. Everyone else is fodder. Sonic boom. Dead. Thunderclap. Dead. Heat Vision. Dead. Freeze Breath. Dead.

"Even in dc he isn't above Orion, Black Adam, etc. He is on their level so at the end of the day he is just a top tier." ...........Clearly you do not read enough Superman. 😐

Most of the 'help' is useless. Superman can rip through them with ease. Thor alone might stop him. But then again, if Superman fights smart and uses his speed, he can definitely win.

No, the rest aren't canon fodder. I could give examples of Superman getting thrashed by weaker teams, etc., but it still wouldn't change your mind.

How is Superman above Orion and Black Adam. Please provide examples or some semblance of logic and reasoning.

quanchi112 Disney

Originally posted by TricksterPriest
Do I really have to list the things he's tanked that are worse than that beating? You guys aren't listening. Thor is the only one who would actually hurt Superman. The rest are nothing.

Entropy, Omega Beams, Astro Force, the fight with Zod under a red sun, carrying Bleed in his system during Beyond, actually dying to DD Rex, Henshaw, double black holes, need I go on? Nobody has feats like Superman.

Let's not even get into the fact that PC is becoming canon again. 😬

Superman has crazy feats yes, but that still doesn't change the fact WW has hurt him, Doomsday has hurt him, Henshaw has beaten him into pulp, Zod has hurt him, Kalibak has hurt him, Konvikt has hurt him, shadow demons have almost killed him, Prime easily blew through his hand, etc.

Superman won't die, but don't mistake that for Superman being unbeatable here in a message board.

kgkg Vigilante

Originally posted by quanchi112
How is Superman above Orion and Black Adam. Please provide examples or some semblance of logic and reasoning.
Better feats

quanchi112 Disney

Originally posted by kgkg
Better feats
But in one on one fights they are equal. That is my point. Superman has them beat in appearances and then some,but when these guys actually throw down superman isn't above them.

Superman also has far more lower showings as well.

The Nuul Senior Member

Supes is fighting at his best here.

quanchi112 Disney

Originally posted by The Nuul
Supes is fighting at his best here.
I understand this, but even at his best he isn't above Black Adam or Orion imo. Comics support this as well.

Superman vs. Black Adam or Orion would make for one helluva battlezone here as their fights in comics have ended in stalemates.

The Nuul Senior Member

Go back to reading Thanos comics, Quan.

😄

Mekrob Dead

Originally posted by TricksterPriest
Entropy, Omega Beams, Astro Force, the fight with Zod under a red sun, carrying Bleed in his system during Beyond, actually dying to DD Rex, Henshaw, double black holes, need I go on? Nobody has feats like Superman.
Sundip, and also never said, or even really alluded to actually...
That's probably a good feat when it happened...
Didn't he get dropped in one shot taking the Astro Force?
How is that impressive? It's not like he took a supremely destructive force while under the Red Sun.
Which he put in while he was extremely powered up. Also seemed to do with his iconic nature. As well as seemingly irrelevant to battles. More of a cool feat than anything.
How is dying to DD Rex a good feat? His heart got pumped again, and iirc, he was amped after.
He's been tooled by Henshaw... tons of times.
Double black hole. Nothing wrong with that.

Originally posted by TricksterPriest
Let's not even get into the fact that PC is becoming canon again. 😬
And when he starts putting planets through pikes, and blowing away solar systems, his PC feats will become relevant to his current self.

quanchi112 Disney

Originally posted by The Nuul
Go back to reading Thanos comics, Quan.

😄

What have I said that isn't true? Nothing.

kgkg Vigilante

Originally posted by quanchi112
But in one on one fights they are equal. That is my point. Superman has them beat in appearances and then some,but when these guys actually throw down superman isn't above them.

Superman also has far more lower showings as well.

They are equal because Superman isn't going 100% even if he was they are in the same teir so it's not that big of a deal.

I just told you why he is above those guys because of feats when you have comparable characters you go by feats and Superman has both those guys beat.

Mekrob Dead

Originally posted by kgkg
They are equal because Superman isn't going 100% even if he was they are in the same teir so it's not that big of a deal.

I just told you why he is above those guys because of feats when you have comparable characters you go by feats and Superman has both those guys beat.

He said he wasn't holding back against Black Adam when they fought (when Black Adam stated multiple times it wasn't his intention to fight him)...

quanchi112 Disney

Originally posted by kgkg
They are equal because Superman isn't going 100% even if he was they are in the same teir so it's not that big of a deal.

I just told you why he is above those guys because of feats when you have comparable characters you go by feats and Superman has both those guys beat.

And Black Adam and Orion were? Where does it say they are going 100 percent while Supes is holding back?

If we go by feats we also factor in low feats to get the average.

Orion has impressive feats as well. He saved Superman's ass in dotng and went down like a champ according to superman against the Infinity Man. He also tore Ds's heart out from his chest.

Black Adam damaged the hell out of the Spectre, destroyed the new Captain Marvel easily, took on the jsa by himself, etc.

quanchi112 Disney

Originally posted by Mekrob
He said he wasn't holding back against Black Adam when they fought (when Black Adam stated multiple times it wasn't his intention to fight him)...
What issue did this fight take place in?

kgkg Vigilante

Originally posted by Mekrob
He said he wasn't holding back against Black Adam when they fought (when Black Adam stated multiple times it wasn't his intention to fight him)...
I wasn't refering to BB vs Superman it was just in general.

Superman holds back when fighting heroes and even villians more often than not

Mekrob Dead

Originally posted by quanchi112
What issue did this fight take place in?
Action Comics 831

quanchi112 Disney

Originally posted by Mekrob
Action Comics 831
Thanks.

Mekrob Dead

Originally posted by kgkg
I wasn't refering to BB vs Superman it was just in general.

Superman holds back when fighting heroes and even villians more often than not

But doesn't that make Superman equal to them no matter what?

But not against BA, and I doubt Orion (maybe).

darthgoober Senior Member

Originally posted by TricksterPriest
Do I really have to list the things he's tanked that are worse than that beating? You guys aren't listening. Thor is the only one who would actually hurt Superman. The rest are nothing.

Entropy, Omega Beams, Astro Force, the fight with Zod under a red sun, carrying Bleed in his system during Beyond, actually dying to DD Rex, Henshaw, double black holes, need I go on? Nobody has feats like Superman.

Let's not even get into the fact that PC is becoming canon again. 😬


Yes all those things are impressive, but can you see Supes withstanding the beating Neferia took(and for the record plenty of "High Heralds" have feats equal to those, such as Thor) from Thor and the rest of the Avengers? Neferia hasn't been in EVERY situation Supes has been in but facing off against top tiers is indeed a situation in which they BOTH have showings. So could he do it or not?

Put it this way, who do you think is stronger between Grey Hulk and DOS Doomsday or Savage Hulk and Konvik?