Originally posted by ScreamPaste
@ BT, Mario with a star ran through and KO'd Bowser, who has canonicly survived being thrown into the sun.@ Gumachi, I doubt they can do much to him, can Kratos stop the star man?
That shows nothing about durability, furthermore, it merely shows Bowser obvioulsy has high durability but very low endurance if he cant take a single hit. Also the sun could be under the same Marioverse logic as Mario is, you would have to prove to me its actually Earths sun under the same logic.
Mario is essentially presented as a drug trip, lol. There is no logic to it other than Mario is inexplicably uber. And Bowser was not KO'd by the sun, lol. Simply angered that he lost. Essentially, othing in any Mario game can hurt him, and that includes Bowser who has his own rediculous feats. If Bowser can't touch him, and is even KO'd by him with said power up, I think Kratos is in teh deep poo.
The thing is Bowser has his own feats that make him one of the unnassuming and yet rediculously overpowered characters that people don't realise have the kind of potential that they do.
Through the beauty of commedy, and you want me to prove Mario is a cartoon?
Furthmore the burdon of proof would be on you to give actual logical reasoning for Marios feats, the fact he lives in a comedic cartoon world instantly makes everything he does a combination of gameplay and simple fun, YOU would have to prove the logic and statistics behind Marios feats back him up. YOU would have to prove that the Sun is equel in every physical way to the sun in our universe, the same with all other queer happenings like his lifting strength.
When is Mario enhanced? does he ever gain some kind of super powers as well? For all anyone knows the verse Mario does these feats in are not under the same rules as the real universe and what puts his verse under such scrutiny are his feats in question taking into account, he is merely a fat plumber, his enemies are little mushrooms with feet and his arch enemy is a turtle crossbred with a dinosaur.
Nar. No one else in Mario games has the kind of power Mario does.
Okay, I doubt the beings of the GoWverse's durability. I think they're all made of tofu and Kratos uses butter knives on sring to eviscerate them. ^ Strawman/sarcasm.
However it relates to what you're arguing for Mario. Mario is the only being in those games with such rediculous power outside of say, Bowser. And the sun in Mario games functions the same, it provides light, heat, and gravity. These are all the parameters we can measure it on, because it's all we're given, but they all seem to function exactly the same so simple extrapolation ould say they are the same.
Mario's universe is strange, and often illogical, but we're argueing video game characters, Kratos' universe is illogical, it's just not presented in a humourous way.
no Kratos' universe is somewhat belivable and everything that happens in it is based around actual logical explanation even if the explanation is a fantasy one, the characters are powerful because of the items they have used, or the mythological birth/spieces they are from.
Mario is mostly just a gameplay cartoon humour run, whos rules and logic defy eachother. Can you show me the suns statistics? perhaps your wrong and the sun for the same illogical reason cooper can survive it is cold. For whatever the reason, its pointless jumping to conclusions that the sun was exactley the same physically to our sun.
Shows no sign of being different? a fat turtle lizard can somehow survive it when hes been beaten up by a plumber before and tossed about by one, that to me makes me think it has to be damn diffrent, the sun is of such a temperature that it would pretty much destroy the Earth if it was a little closer to the planet and kill most life.
No character in Mario has any logical background to why it should survive such power and furthermore, the series and characters within is under more scrutiny for the fact their mostly gameplay, cartoony critters.
Bowser has alot of great durability feats, the sun is just the best example. Mario can beat him cause Mario clearly > the sun.
the critters in Kratos verse are all mythological beasties with no logical physiology, why should a turtle dragon be discriminated against?
I call shenanigans. Mario's feats are as valid as Kratos.
Originally posted by ScreamPaste
Bowser has alot of great durability feats, the sun is just the best example. Mario can beat him cause Mario clearly > the sun.the critters in Kratos verse are all mythological beasties with no logical physiology, why should a turtle dragon be discriminated against?
I call shenanigans. Mario's feats are as valid as Kratos.
The sun is some ridiculous example thats prob beyond all of his other more consistent feats by a huge margin. Mario is stronger than the Sun is hot now? lol, laughable, its more likely that the sun in the marioverse is not as hot nor as powerful as the one in ours, neither idea can be disproven/proven although mine is stronger because the games Mario is based in, are indeed cartoony illogical nonsense.
Mythologicaly beasts are logical, the creatures themselves have strength values in proportion to their bodies and are created by magical forces or odd sexual unions, all explained in thier own fictions.
Also you still did not answer, when did Mario gain his super powers?
false, Marios feats are ridiculous cartoon nonsense, most of which is in gameplay and is indeed cartoony and logicless.
It is as cartoony and logicless as Kratos'
Mario was born a hairy chested he man with a moustache. (See baby mario.) Case closed. =P
and if the Marioverse sun is so cold, hwo does it heat the marioverse earth?
The burden of proof is no longer on me, it is now on you. and Mario *did* lift a castle in SMW.
You're forcing me into getting reptitive and boring to debate with because your entire defense is "... It doesn't count cause Mario isn't supar srs." it's still a game, and it's still canon and it's just as logical as a cyclops that can still see after his eye is stabbed.
the theme is less serious so his feats = null and void? No.
err....no.....Kratos is not "cartoony"
Maybe it doesnt heat the marioverse, maybe Mario does considering his other vast abilities.....
The Burdon of proof is always on you, because the character is under your claims, your claims of his power, you would have to prove why he is so powerful.
erm yes...because all those feats could simply be under the simple logicless nonsense that when pressed up against a being who does real logical powers and feats gets stomped.
I'm gonna have to agree with screampaste, you're basically saying that because the mario games are supose to be for children and funny and that the god of war games are serious and more adult that mario's feats dont count anymore and honestly thats just stupid. Also imo the god of war universe is no more belivable then the marioverse.
Originally posted by bane214
I'm gonna have to agree with screampaste, you're basically saying that because the mario games are supose to be for children and funny and that the god of war games are serious and more adult that mario's feats dont count anymore and honestly thats just stupid. Also imo the god of war universe is no more belivable then the marioverse.
thank you, sir!