Mario vs Kratos

Originally posted by ScreamPaste
Lol, no, I want an actual debate, though I will admit the prospect of the portly plumber winning DOES amuse me that's not my agenda. I play devil's advocate often enough. I like to root for the one less rooted for. Besides Nintendo is heavily under represented on this site.

And you stilll don't get it, just because the power is not explained doesn't mean it's not there.

In reality Mario and Kratos are both pixelated.

In gaming, they both have feats.

Actual debate now plx.

oh it does, because you see the world he enters is alternate and there is no explanation for his power, he has shown no reason to be beyond a typical human, thus its more likely the world he enters (Mushroom Kingdom or w/e) where he does said feats is the one that gives him said abilities.

Atual debate now plx

Originally posted by ScreamPaste
and Chaos got power from?

weve (I) explained this, re-read posts please.

Originally posted by Burning thought
oh it does, because you see the world he enters is alternate and there is no explanation for his power, he has shown no reason to be beyond a typical human, thus its more likely the world he enters (Mushroom Kingdom or w/e) where he does said feats is the one that gives him said abilities.

Atual debate now plx

Lol, all games take place in alternate universi otherwise we'd be the slaves of titans or gods or turtles or.. anything.

Originally posted by ScreamPaste
Lol, all games take place in alternate universi otherwise we'd be the slaves of titans or gods or turtles or.. anything.

yeh, only the alternate universe in Kratos case is filled with explanation and description, Mario is merely a plumber, nothing more.

Scream, your just being foolish now, how in the hell, can Chaos gain power from anyone? Chaos=Primodial[sp?]Deity[that created Gaia=Earth], it would be like saying where did love get it's power from.

Kratos pops fatty's head end of story.

Dont feed the troll Gumachi, youll only make him want more 😉

It's very wonky logic, and an incredibly dodgy debating tactic BT... You automatically threw out Mario's feats in their entirety based on Mushroom Kingdom's fantasy logic..... Under that precedent, no characters powers should work outside their own unierses, which, barring unusual circumstances like say Sephiroth and the Lifestream, should never occur in these theoretical VS debates.

With that said, there is no evidence that Mario's powers are restricted to the Mushroom Kingdom... Infact, the opposite is true, I point you to the Smash Bro series.

Originally posted by Darkstorm Zero
It's very wonky logic, and an incredibly dodgy debating tactic BT... You automatically threw out Mario's feats in their entirety based on Mushroom Kingdom's fantasy logic..... Under that precedent, no characters powers should work outside their own unierses, which, barring unusual circumstances like say Sephiroth and the Lifestream, should never occur in these theoretical VS debates.

With that said, there is no evidence that Mario's powers are restricted to the Mushroom Kingdom... Infact, the opposite is true, I point you to the Smash Bro series.

its a perect tactic and 100% bullet proof, Mushroom kingdom has ridiculous wonky logic and furthermore, whats the main argument is that so far ive seen no evidence that Mario is any more than a plumber in reality, ive not seen a post depicting him gaining powers unlike those in other universes. Kratos is a demi-God empowered by Titans, this is WHY he is so powerful and do ridiculous feats of power. What does Mario get? when does Mario get empoered? if its said somewhere that Mario actually gains super power from the uber glowing pink pony that princess peach gave him on his first visit to mushroom kingdom and thus, this power allowed him to do said feats then maybe I would liken to it.

But it seems to me, Mushroom Kingdom and w/e other universe he is in seems to have crooked logic whos rules are bent out of place. The power of each character is inconsistent as well, since you would have to assume many things such as Mario having greater power in his attacks than the sun, all nonsense thought up illogically without actual backing.

Smah bro series? is that canon to the typical marioverse? also what feats does he show in-canon in the Smash bros series? Also he attacks/hits other characters from Metroid to Pikachu (I think) does he not? Does that mean every character in Smash bros can survive sun busting?

And now he insists I'm a troll because I disagree with him trying disqualify Mario. Wonderful, lol.

@Gumachi Mario is Kratos' match in strength, he could very well pop Kratos' head.

Originally posted by Burning thought
its a perect tactic and 100% bullet proof, Mushroom kingdom has ridiculous wonky logic and furthermore, whats [b]the main argument is that so far ive seen no evidence that Mario is any more than a plumber in reality, ive not seen a post depicting him gaining powers unlike those in other universes. Kratos is a demi-God empowered by Titans, this is WHY he is so powerful and do ridiculous feats of power. What does Mario get? when does Mario get empoered? if its said somewhere that Mario actually gains super power from the uber glowing pink pony that princess peach gave him on his first visit to mushroom kingdom and thus, this power allowed him to do said feats then maybe I would liken to it.

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So you're saying if I explained Mario's powers as beignthe result of his magical moustache they count, but just because it's a mystery they don't? LOL.

No, you would have to give me evidence that the canon of the game suggests that Mario's Moustache is indeed magical and gives him the powers described in the games.

Originally posted by ScreamPaste
@Gumachi Mario is Kratos' match in strength, he could very well pop Kratos' head.

Ooohhhh, me likey.

No, the problem here is that just because they are not explained doesn't make his pwoers null, this is a logical falalcy. Gravity clearly functions in games set in time periods before the knowledge of gravity was widespread. Ect. Mario's powers need no explanation, your argument is not bullet proof, and you're still feeding the 'troll' who has yet to insult anyone. By comparison, you've insutled me. I'm a troll?

Either debate the actual match and stop insulting me or leave. Next time you call me a troll I'm hittign the report button.

@Gumachi; Mario has canonicly lifted a massive castle and survived the destruction of a galaxy. despite the arguments from the GoW camp, this would probably be a realyl drawn out fight, lol.

and I'm hoping you and I can debate it =)

no, the fact they are not explained at all, means that his powers are not definite fact all down to him, that means YOU are assuming their his own power when my idea that Mushroom kingdom or an illogical part of his verse is the reason why the characters can go against such logc as the sun disintegrasting them.

And you were trolling by constantly asking ridiculous questions, even Gumachi noted that, which reminds me, I "should" report you immediatley.

Originally posted by ScreamPaste
And now he insists I'm a troll because I disagree with him trying disqualify Mario. Wonderful, lol.

@Gumachi Mario is Kratos' match in strength, he could very well pop Kratos' head.

Gameplay mechanic?

Call it whatever you choose, but the fact is he is a video game character, and he has feats. Trying to toss either based on location is not a way to claim victory... its no different than unnecessarily depowering a character to cheaply claim a win in a vs debate.

Rationalise it anyway you want to, baybe via an act of R.O.B. perhaps? But for heavens sakes don't avoid the original point of the debate. Just answer the question: Can a fully powered Kratos defeat a fully powered Mario? No second guessing powers, no trying to throw away characters ability groundlessly. just straight up, and explain why as it pertains to the match and nothing else. Can you do this?

Originally posted by Darkstorm Zero
Call it whatever you choose, but the fact is he is a video game character, and he has feats. Trying to toss either based on location is not a way to claim victory... its no different than unnecessarily depowering a character to cheaply claim a win in a vs debate.

Rationalise it anyway you want to, baybe via an act of R.O.B. perhaps? But for heavens sakes don't avoid the original point of the debate. Just answer the question: Can a fully powered Kratos defeat a fully powered Mario? No second guessing powers, no trying to throw away characters ability groundlessly. just straight up, and explain why as it pertains to the match and nothing else. Can you do this?

Anyone can debate powers, but if Mario does not have Galaxy durability and strength greater than the power of the sun it would be easier for Kratos, since obviously he would have to use cheap tactics such as turning Mario to stone or using souls of the dead to take his soul or something rather than damage his body since Kratos as powerful as he is cannot dish out galaxy damage...

Thing is, ime not buying all this rubbish about Mario actually having such powers in reality, he is a plumber, nothing more, nothing less...in the canon he has never been more than a plumber who can do seemingly impossble things in gameplay, although all the things he does of high power are from what ive seen, poor representations of colourful graphics.

The burdon of proof is still on people to provide for the objects and grounds in Mushroom kingdom being equel to our words physics, especially if the feats are inconsistent, one minute Mario is tossing little fireballs to defeat Cooper, then the next minute hes bustin galaxies or something? tossing him into suns? thats inconsistency. Inconcsistency alike to a non fact feat, and more of simply a gameplay display or comedic object.

Thing is, Kratos is not subject to Marios rules, so Kratos would not just die when Mario jumps on his head....Kratos would not be subject to just being grabbed and tossed into the sun since otherwise Kratos would have to be under the same cartoon rules as a plumber.

Kratos can prob win this either way, Mario is not immune to be turned to stone surely? or having his soul attacked? regardless of what stars he has.

Originally posted by Burning thought
Anyone can debate powers, but if Mario does not have Galaxy durability and strength greater than the power of the sun it would be easier for Kratos, since obviously he would have to use cheap tactics such as turning Mario to stone or using souls of the dead to take his soul or something rather than damage his body since Kratos as powerful as he is cannot dish out galaxy damage...

Thing is, ime not buying all this rubbish about Mario actually having such powers in reality, he is a plumber, nothing more, nothing less...in the canon he has never been more than a plumber who can do seemingly impossble things [b]in gameplay, although all the things he does of high power are from what ive seen, poor representations of colourful graphics.

The burdon of proof is still on people to provide for the objects and grounds in Mushroom kingdom being equel to our words physics, especially if the feats are inconsistent, one minute Mario is tossing little fireballs to defeat Cooper, then the next minute hes bustin galaxies or something? tossing him into suns? thats inconsistency. Inconcsistency alike to a non fact feat, and more of simply a gameplay display or comedic object.

Thing is, Kratos is not subject to Marios rules, so Kratos would not just die when Mario jumps on his head....Kratos would not be subject to just being grabbed and tossed into the sun since otherwise Kratos would have to be under the same cartoon rules as a plumber.

Kratos can prob win this either way, Mario is not immune to be turned to stone surely? or having his soul attacked? regardless of what stars he has. [/B]

finally we're starting to see debate!

One thing though, you keep saying in reality, and in reality, they're both fictional.

and no I was not trolling, percieve it how you like, I was making a point you refuse to accept.

The following is my take on this debate;

WITH power ups:

Mario takes this because he can effectively kite Kratos with fireballs, and cape anything Kratos throws back/fleece's. If things get rough Mario can usee a super shroom to assume giant size and easily over power Kratos physicly. the problems Mario would have are stoning and ghosty bastards. Mario can get around the ghosts fine, but I don't think he can harm them. Essentially Mario has to focus on taking out Kratos while avoiding the ghosts. The stoning is another problem entirely, does he have to look at it to get stoned or is it an AoE? If it's an AoE he simply continues to kite, if it's sight based this could turn the tide in Kratos' favour. Mario could in theroy use the vanish cap to run through and clear through Kratos and behind him, where he'd commence the beat down.

Another problem for Kratos is the winged cap. Mario can essentially fly aroudn impervious to everythign but stoning.

WITHOUT power ups; This is more interesting to me, Kratos definately has the range advantage but if Mario gets inside he can deal out rediculous damage thanks to his strength. It comes down to Kratos weapons vs Mario's ability to get past them (which should not be ignored.) I think Kratos probably wins because Mario fights unarmed.
If Mario had a vanish cap he could easily get in, and it'd priobably come down to even.

UNARMED; fist fight. Mario crushes Kratos, imo. Never pick a fist fight with a tradesman.

Kratos has a fleece as you mentioned to reflect/defned himself from fireballs, growing giant size would not help him, Kratos has defeated enemies enormous in comparison to him and growing giant would only make himself an easy target for kratos' stone stare. And canonically it would be sight based although it can be AOE, Kratos has the Gorgon flare which is eye based and instant, or the AOE blast.

Stoning can win this, and win this easily especially if he becomes giant.

Can you stone somethign that's incorporeal? Vanish cap.