Originally posted by OneDumbG0
Thor's best hammer throws go far faster than the speed of light. Superman's heat vision does not exceed light speed. Hell, GL blasts can be willed faster than light. Mjolnir can also self-guide itself when thrown. None of the other combatants can boast that ability except for maybe GLs.Thor can see people at 1 km away. Seriously, 1 km away is not that far. Also:
Mjolnir can guide Thor to pretty much any person, anywhere, anyti- ... well it used to be anytime before they got rid of Mjolnir's temporal abilities.Thor also has the most effective defense amongst the group in that he can absorb, deflect and reamplify/return energy attacks with no harm coming to him at all. He also boasts the most versatility in attacks: storms out of nowhere, energy blasts, whirlwind vortexes, lightning strikes from above and godblasts.
Thor can indeed throw the hammer Light speed (can swing it 2x light speed). But know that it takes him a lot of time to build up momentum to achieve this speed. In combat against someone fast he wont have enough time to do this. Thor has shown versatility but requires time to achieve them.
Originally posted by h1a8
Thor can indeed throw the hammer Light speed (can swing it 2x light speed). But know that it takes him a lot of time to build up momentum to achieve this speed. In combat against someone fast he wont have enough time to do this. Thor has shown versatility but requires time to achieve them.
Originally posted by h1a82 seconds, as it has been stated in certain feats, may seem like an eternity to you, but considering he can use those 2 seconds and have an impenetrable field from which to block long range attacks before he chucks his hammer... I fail to see how you've done nothing but point out how superior Thor is in this particular contest with these particular rules?
Thor can indeed throw the hammer Light speed (can swing it 2x light speed). But know that it takes him a lot of time to build up momentum to achieve this speed. In combat against someone fast he wont have enough time to do this. Thor has shown versatility but requires time to achieve them.
Originally posted by OneDumbG0
2 seconds, as it has been stated in certain feats, may seem like an eternity to you, but considering he can use those 2 seconds and have an impenetrable field from which to block long range attacks before he chucks his hammer... I fail to see how you've done nothing but point out how superior Thor is in this particular contest with these particular rules?
I said against someone fast. That means someone who can attack in a fraction of a second.
Supermans HV is no where near the power of surfer, thors hammer or a lanterns ring. He should not be even mentioned in the same sentence with them when it comes to long range fighters. Up close hes good. There are plenty of fighters with hotter than the sun HV or something similar. Thor and surfer can maul a planet with their long range attack. Supes HV cannot and plenty of people have took it close range and struck back at him.
Originally posted by james2099
Supermans HV is no where near the power of surfer, thors hammer or a lanterns ring. He should not be even mentioned in the same sentence with them when it comes to long range fighters. Up close hes good. There are plenty of fighters with hotter than the sun HV or something similar. Thor and surfer can maul a planet with their long range attack. Supes HV cannot and plenty of people have took it close range and struck back at him.
Being a good long range fighter implies good speed of the attack as well as good effectiveness of the attack. Superman's attack may or may not be as effective as some others but it sure is faster than most.
Note: Speed of the attack doesn't just mean how fast the attack can go but also how fast can one unleash it (instantaneously).
Originally posted by h1a8So... Surfer?
Being a good long range fighter implies good speed of the attack as well as good effectiveness of the attack. Superman's attack may or may not be as effective as some others but it sure is faster than most.Note: Speed of the attack doesn't just mean how fast the attack can go but also how fast can one unleash it (instantaneously).
Originally posted by h1a8
Being a good long range fighter implies good speed of the attack as well as good effectiveness of the attack. Superman's attack may or may not be as effective as some others but it sure is faster than most.Note: Speed of the attack doesn't just mean how fast the attack can go but also how fast can one unleash it (instantaneously).
Surfer, thor, and GL all have long range attacks that they can unleash instantaneously. As of yet there has been no proof that superman's HV is faster than the attacks of the other contenders... unless someone can produce scans of both superman's HV and the others' long range attacks that can clearly show that sm's HV is faster.
Besides, we have no idea how effective superman's HV will be against the others. It may knock them out... but what if it doesn't? What if his HV doesn't proove as effective as he intended? What's he gona do?
At least for the others, just incase one attack doesn't work, they still have a variety of attacks to try out.
Let's just face it. Superman is good, almost unbeatable when taken as a whole... but he's just not cut out for pure long distance fighting. He has the capabilities, but he doesn't hold a candle to the other 3 mentioned above.
Originally posted by D_Dude1210
IMO, the criteria for "Best Long Range Fighter" needs to be defined. But even without definition, Surfer has all of them beat in Speed, Variety, Nature and Intensity of Long Range Attacks. Cept mebbe for the sheer intensity of Thor's Godblast.
True. and the fact that mjolnir can absorb energy. But still, the power cosmic is too flexible. I mean, surfer can rearrange molecules and matter composition!!!! How do you defend against that?
Originally posted by FrothByte
Surfer, thor, and GL all have long range attacks that they can unleash instantaneously. As of yet there has been no proof that superman's HV is faster than the attacks of the other contenders... unless someone can produce scans of both superman's HV and the others' long range attacks that can clearly show that sm's HV is faster.Besides, we have no idea how effective superman's HV will be against the others. It may knock them out... but what if it doesn't? What if his HV doesn't proove as effective as he intended? What's he gona do?
At least for the others, just incase one attack doesn't work, they still have a variety of attacks to try out.
Let's just face it. Superman is good, almost unbeatable when taken as a whole... but he's just not cut out for pure long distance fighting. He has the capabilities, but he doesn't hold a candle to the other 3 mentioned above.
Thor and GL have no instantaneously attacks. Superman's HV comes out instantly at the speed of light. Silver Surfer possibly has very fast blasts as well in which he may be fast enough to unleash them almost instantaneously too. Superman's HV can range to a soothing warmth to something that seemingly can burn through any substance. Remember Clark holds back a lot and that's why his HV sometimes sucks. Superman can also blow you away with his breath.
Originally posted by h1a8
Thor and GL have no instantaneously attacks. Superman's HV comes out instantly at the speed of light. Silver Surfer possibly has very fast blasts as well in which he may be fast enough to unleash them almost instantaneously too. Superman's HV can range to a soothing warmth to something that seemingly can burn through any substance. Remember Clark holds back a lot and that's why his HV sometimes sucks. Superman can also blow you away with his breath.
How do you define instantaneous? coz as far as i've seen, thor can shoot power blasts from his hammer as soon as he points it at a target (we're not talking about lightning or god force here). it's not like he points at a target, charges his hammer, then releases the shot. he points and shoots. correct me if i'm wrong, but isn't that instantaneous? Surfer and GL do the same thing, point and shoot. i've seen gl, surfer, and thor at times charge first (gather their energy) before shooting which looks like it makes their shots stronger... but i've also seen them just discharge shots at will (can anyone provide scans of the thor vs. surfer comics).
the only advantage that supes has is he doesn't need to point his hands or anything, he just looks and shoots... but considering the speed movement of these guys, pointing your hand (or ring or hammer) won't be that far behind pointing your eyes.
but then isn't thor capable of utilizing radial attacks? (power flows out from him in a circle). I'm not sure about it, but incase he can (and I'm pretty sure that surfer can do it too) then they don't even need to point before shooting.
P.S. ... how strong is superman's breath? Is it enough to affect the intergalactic beings who travel through the vacuum of time and space (yup, that's surfer, thor, and gl)?