Optimus Prime vs. King Kong

Originally posted by Sadako of Girth
Despite numerous incidents of Humans damaging and killing TFS, you mean?

Powerful ass Brownings pwn modern smaller rounds. Thats what youre ignoring. Especially when those heavy cal rounds are slugging into someone balancing on top of the small spire of a building.

It does out of tidiness' sake, but you're wrong though.
Im going by evidence.

Nope the TFS movies are replete with Humans killing transformers. Live with it.

Well the scanario isn't happening so that even if true (something you only speculate on) its irrelevant.
You omit that they were shooting Deceps to death with guns too. [/B]

This fact was established well within the first movie, carried over into the second movie that humans could not kill the Transformers with conventional guns and ammo.

This point get's pushed even further in the video you showcase. No decepticon got killed by the humans simply shooting them with guns. The bulk of all damage was done with explosives.

Originally posted by Newjak

You're still being a troll misrepresenting the evidence you brought to the table and crying when it didn't really show what you wanted it to show.

Originally posted by focus4chumps
another infantile attempt to further distract and lead the conversation away from irrefutable evidence on the comparative effects of rounds in respect to damage and kinetic energy.

again: rounds far lighter than the BGM made a full-size TF violently recoil from the kinetic energy.

while kong was balanced on top of a platform and withstood the kinetic energy from BMG rounds, FAR GREATER and MULTIPLE SHOTS.

ACR:

BGM 50:

and you have no right to call anyone a troll. bring in imp or a global mod and lets see who's derailed the topic with fallacious drivel and baseless speculation (you) and who has contributed with solid evidence. (me)

🙂

Originally posted by focus4chumps
another infantile attempt to further distract and lead the conversation away from irrefutable evidence on the comparative effects of rounds in respect to damage and kinetic energy.

again: rounds far lighter than the BGM made a full-size TF violently recoil from the kinetic energy.

while kong was balanced on top of a platform and withstood the kinetic energy from BMG rounds, FAR GREATER and MULTIPLE SHOTS.

ACR:

BGM 50:

and you have no right to call anyone a troll. bring in imp or a global mod and lets see who's derailed the topic with fallacious drivel and baseless speculation (you) and who has contributed with solid evidence. (me)

And you keep posting those videos like they are the be all end of this discussion. They get shot in the head and and recoil of the eye shot. The entire rest of the fight the bullets just bounce off of them. Heck they weren't even showing pain from the rest unlike Kong who WAS getting injured from the bullets.

why would i want to get them involved?

you're the one calling me a troll. well prove it. or stfu and stop backflipping away from irrefutable evidence.

you really are behaving like an infant and should probably grow up a bit.

Originally posted by Newjak

And you keep posting those videos like they are the be all end of this discussion.

no i was refuting the point asserted and enforced by you and others that rifle rounds do no hurt transformers.

any more baldface trolly lies you'd like to spew?

Originally posted by focus4chumps
why would i want to get them involved? you're the one calling me a troll. well prove it. or stfu and stop backflipping away from irrefutable evidence.

you really are behaving like an infant. grow up.

right kinetic energy is not relevant when talking about the effects and damage of bullets. /derp.

your whole 'wild braying ass' routine is pretty lame.

Originally posted by Newjak
Humans did kills Transformers. They never killed Tranformers with normal weapons. They either used explosives or special rounds that would have gone through Kong like a hot knife through butter.

This point get's pushed even further in the video you showcase. No decepticon got killed by the humans simply shooting them with guns. The bulk of all damage was done with explosives.

So? Small modern rounds are still not as powerful as the big heavy cal browning rounds that kong tanked and kept on the tower through. You're totally downplaying Kong, just like you did when you said it took time for Kong to break the T-rex's jaws apart... when in reality in the clip provided it took one second and he did it whilst fighting multiple T-Rexs AND keeping hold of his lady. No wonder you don't like vids. They tend to contradict your statements a bit.

Originally posted by focus4chumps
right kinetic energy is not relevant when talking about the effects and damage of bullets. /derp.

your whole 'wild braying ass' routine is pretty lame.

You can't have it both ways. You can't bring in something to state why Kong is more durable and in the same video ignore a generic Dececpticon tanking something that is above anything Kong took in his movie.

And you ignore that the rest of bullets were bouncing off them.

Originally posted by Sadako of Girth
This is like people who use the term "supernatural".
Its either a part of something in the universe and therefore natural or not.
Special human rounds or not, they are human rounds.

Yeah inconsistant. Remember when TFs had impenetrable shields? Oh thats right: that was totally abandoned after the 1st scene. But the plotholes and inconsistancies we could be there all day on.

So? Small modern rounds are still not as powerful as the big heavy cal browning rounds that kong tanked and kept on the tower through.

RPGs>>>>Heavy Cal Browning Rounds. So regardless of where you want this to go Decepticons have proven to take more damaging attack then Kong.

i presented to clear examples of them being effected by the kinetic force of rifle rounds.

you keep avoiding this because you are acting like a pathetic sniveling brat-child.

cry harder and post more fallacious drivel.

Originally posted by Newjak
[B]It's not supernatural, but the rounds used by the humans in to injure Transformers in all 3 movies save for one they used to shoot them in the eyes >>>>> than the rounds used to hurt Kong.

Except "no".
The heavy cal have more range, mass, power.
And Kong tanked em.

RPGs>>>>Heavy Cal Browning Rounds. So regardless of where you want this to go Decepticons have proven to take more damaging attack then Kong.

Nope. They're pretty pathetic. Answer me this. What could Starscream do to prevent his murder by Sam and Lennox?
(Sam who is pretty used to killing TFS of all sizes, Megatron, Alice the Pretender, Starscream)
Nothing at all. Pathetic show.

G1 TFs were WAY tougher.

Originally posted by focus4chumps
i presented to clear examples of them being effected by the kinetic force of rifle rounds.

you keep avoiding this because you are acting like a pathetic sniveling brat-child.

cry harder and post more fallacious drivel.

If it makes you feel better. Fine a rifle round fired into a Decepticon's optics can hurt them. You identified the one scenario where you're right but is the outlier compared to 99% the rest we see them on the screen where they are shrugging off rifle rounds and even heavy attacks.

After all they still tanked an RPG round which is better than anything Kong took damage output wise.

Originally posted by Newjak
And ignored every other instance where it had no to little effect in the very same scenes you;re using as evidence.

oh you mean your forced narrative of them just "shrugging off" direct rpg hits? was that your "evidence"?

you've had NOTHING to bring this debate except blind arbitrary speculation and i have presented solid evidence.

cry harder please

Originally posted by Sadako of Girth
Except "no".
The heavy cal have more range, mass, power.
And Kong tanked em.

Nope. They're pretty pathetic. Answer me this. What could Starscream do to prevent his murder by Sam and Lennox?
(Sam who is pretty used to killing TFS of all sizes, Megatron, Alice the Pretender, Starscream)
Nothing at all. Pathetic show.

G1 TFs were WAY tougher.

Sam stuck a Cybertronian Bomb to Starscream he got from Wheeljack.

I do agree G1 formers were better but that doesn't mean Kong can beat Bay Optimus Prime.

Originally posted by focus4chumps
oh you mean your forced narrative of them just "shrugging off" direct rpg hits? was that your "evidence"?

you've had NOTHING to bring this debate except blind arbitrary speculation and i have presented solid evidence.

cry harder please

You SAY they had no effect... Im sure the guys were just firing off rounds for morale's sake then I guess, right?
"Way to go Mr.RPG!!! Here a show of solidarity!!! I know this is useless, but my total waste of ammo will make you feel better!" *puttputtputt* 😉
Get real...of course they were damaging them. 🙂

Never saw Prime make it through his equivalent of the T-rex fight alive. Fact.
Kong pwns. Especially with the way his mass dents and smashes the shit of everything metal or not in his rampage.

Originally posted by Sadako of Girth
You SAY they had no effect... Im sure the guys were just firing off rounds for morale's sake then I guess, right?
"Way to go Mr.RPG!!! Here a show of solidarity!!! I know this is useless, but my total waste of ammo will make you feel better!" *puttputtputt* 😉
Get real...of course they were damaging them. 🙂

Never saw Prime make it through his equivalent of the T-rex fight alive. Fact.
Kong pwns. Especially with the way his mass dents and smashes the shit of everything metal or not in his rampage.

Either way I can see why other people have stopped humoring you guys and you're obvious attempts at trolling and just being plain stupid in this thread. I will leave you guys to continue being wrong.

Originally posted by Sadako of Girth

Never saw Prime make it through his equivalent of the T-rex fight alive. Fact.
Kong pwns. Especially with the way his mass dents and smashes the shit of everything metal or not in his rampage.

So Prime killing 11 Decepticons in a few seconds isn't equivalent or better?

Originally posted by Newjak
They were firing because that is all they could do. That scene was supposed to be about showing the human spirit in the face of overwhelming odds even when completley outgunned.

Either way I can see why other people have stopped humoring you guys and you're obvious attempts at trolling and just being plain stupid in this thread. I will leave you guys to continue being wrong.

Its not trolling. Either way I can see why other people have stopped humoring you and you're obvious attempts at trolling and just being plain stupid in this thread. I will leave you to continue being wrong.

Originally posted by KingD19
So Prime killing 11 Decepticons in a few seconds isn't equivalent or better?

Crap Deceps, Prime augmented with enhanced weaponry and manoeuvrability via trailer parts, surprise was on his side.
Same he couldn't win against 3 in ROTF...