Optimus Prime vs. King Kong

Originally posted by Master Han
1. Prime is made of metal, and has ripped apart transformers that had earlier tanked massed heavy weapons fire.

2. Why should we even care? Prime has guns, strength is pretty pointless to debate.

The concussive force still killed him, though, metaphorical ramblings about beauty killing the beast aside. I could ask "why are people still pretending Kong can withstand heavy, armor piercing, modern explosive ammunition?"

1) How does that automatically mean Prime is stronger when we're dealing with a fantasy ape who's tissue is obviously far more dense than a standard gorilla's? By your own previous reasoning, you said 'heavier = more powerful'. Does that reasoning fly out the window now that we have learned Kong is heavier? Silly, that.

2) Because despite Prime's guns, he's had to get into H2H fights; it could happen here.

Massive blood loss over a period of time had something to do with Kong's death. Calling him "soft" and "squishy" is a silly lowball tactic, considering his body can stay intake after a severe fall.

Originally posted by Stoic
If Kong were hit by a bullet in the eye from a sniper rifle, how well would he deal with it?

Doesnt matter in this debate.

But he'd almost certainly register the pain, but he wouldn't rock back and fall over as easily as that due to the energy of the hit vs his size, maybe if the brain got penetrated somehow, it could lead to a doppage, but since that never ever happens in Kong movies, despite all weaponry put at him, I think we can laugh at the prospect.

Is a Prime a sniper now then? lol

Countering rhetorical question, making the same sort of point you imply: What would Prime do if his head was ripped off in a surprise attack?

you will never get to disqualify physical strength from the topicdf

Originally posted by Robtard
1) How does that automatically mean Prime is stronger when we're dealing with a fantasy ape who's tissue is obviously far more dense than a standard gorilla's? By your own previous reasoning, you said 'heavier = more powerful'. Does that reasoning fly out the window now that we have learned Kong is heavier? Silly, that.

2) Because despite Prime's guns, he's had to get into H2H fights; it could happen here.

Massive blood loss over a period of time had something to do with Kong's death. Calling him "soft" and "squishy" is a silly lowball tactic, considering his body can stay intake after a severe fall.

Indeed...!

Optimus deploys his sword and slices Kong into primate chops

Optimus deploys his guns, goes airborne, and spamfires Kong until he goes down

If it goes H2H, Optimus deploys his "spiked knuckle" attachment and punches Kong's head into his own throat.

The only way Kong wins this is if Optimus decides to stand still and let Kong kill him. Optimus will not lose if he attempts to defend himself.

Originally posted by Robtard
1) How does that automatically mean Prime is stronger when we're dealing with a fantasy ape who's tissue is obviously far more dense than a standard gorilla's? By your own previous reasoning, you said 'heavier = more powerful'. Does that reasoning fly out the window now that we have learned Kong is heavier? Silly, that.

You addressed the first half of my point, but ignored the second.

2) Because despite Prime's guns, he's had to get into H2H fights.

Against transformers that can tank heavy guns. Can Kong tank heavy guns? What evidence do you have that Kong's face would even be recognizable after Prime pulls out these:

YouTube video

Massive blood loss over a period of time had something to do with Kong's death. Calling him "soft" and "squishy" is a silly lowball tactic, considering his body can stay intake after a severe fall.

Still no evidence he can tank Prime's heavy guns. We see that Megatron's body was entirely intact, both after a crash landing, and later after being dropped in the mariana trench for over a year (?).

Originally posted by Sadako of Girth
Doesnt matter in this debate.

But he'd almost certainly register the pain, but he wouldn't rock back and fall over as easily as that due to the energy of the hit vs his size, maybe if the brain got penetrated somehow, it could lead to a doppage, but since that never ever happens in Kong movies, despite all weaponry put at him, I think we can laugh at the prospect.

Is a Prime a sniper now then? lol

Countering rhetorical question, making the same sort of point you imply: What would Prime do if his head was ripped off in a surprise attack?

The round would have penetrated his brain my friend, and he would have died. So there in fact was a valid point to my question. It has been proven several times that sneak attacks are far more deadly than ones that are anticipated (Harry Houdini is a prime example of this rule).

You have to prove that Kong would have the ability to knock Prime's head off. You would also have to prove that Kong could outfight or even hit Prime who has a cybernetic brain capable of calculating impact collisions far quicker than an savage ape with the intellect of a child. This is why I give Prime huge advantages over this very powerful gorilla.

Originally posted by Lestov16
Optimus deploys his sword and slices Kong into primate chops

Optimus deploys his guns, goes airborne, and spamfires Kong until he goes down

If it goes H2H, Optimus deploys his "spiked knuckle" attachment and punches Kong's head into his own throat.

The only way Kong wins this is if Optimus decides to stand still and let Kong kill him. Optimus [b]will not lose if he attempts to defend himself. [/B]

Ahhhhh back in your familar scripting territory, huh?
The last refuge of a man with no points.

Cant guarantee that'll work before Kong dismembers him.

Kong may on a non-tower situ be able to evade.
He may even be able to throw soemthing at Prime or grab him from the air.

Thats not H2H thats Melee. Kong stronger and bigger, and has 4 fists. Prime loses H2H.

Nah on your last point.

Originally posted by Stoic
The round would have penetrated his brain my friend, and he would have died.

/baseless speculation

Originally posted by focus4chumps

you will never get to disqualify physical strength from the topicdf

FTW ✅

Originally posted by Master Han
You addressed the first half of my point, but ignored the second.

Against transformers that can tank heavy guns. Can Kong tank heavy guns? What evidence do you have that Kong's face would even be recognizable after Prime pulls out these:

*edited out video for space*

Still no evidence he can tank Prime's heavy guns. We see that Megatron's body was entirely intact, both after a crash landing, and later after being dropped in the mariana trench for over a year (?).

I did not avoid your point. You on the other-hand avoided your previous 'heavier = stronger' argument', cos it doesn't support you anymore.

That's a loaded question. If Prime shot Kong in the face with his cannon, Kong would likely be dead or severely damaged, despite Kong's extremely dense bone structure. But that all depends on if Prime is able to pull that off. If the fight starts 50 meters away, sure. If it starts at 5, nope. This is were Kong's superior physical strength comes into play, a close up fight.

Originally posted by Sadako of Girth
Cant guarantee that'll work before Kong dismembers him.

Notice how you never bother to justify this assertion?

He may even be able to throw soemthing at Prime or grab him from the air.

It's not as if Prime can throw things too. Or that he has guns. Or that he can fly. 😆

Originally posted by Stoic
The round would have penetrated his brain my friend, and he would have died. So there in fact was a valid point to my question. It has been proven several times that sneak attack are far more deadly than ones that are anticipated (Harry Houdini is a prime example of this rule).

You have to prove that Kong would have the ability to knock Prime's head off. You would also have to prove that Kong could outfight or even hit Prime who has a cybernetic brain capable of calculating impact collisions far quicker than a savage ape with an intellect of a child. This is why I give Prime huge advantages over this very powerful gorilla.

Aye I agree that what you dont see coming is what does you.
Surprise attacks like the one on Houdini from Kong would kill Prime.

You have to prove that he couldn't.
A computer so advanced that it uses phrases like "my bad".

A child's brain in a body of Kong would mean you could punch Kong out then, right? 😉

lulz. don't accuse me of scripting when you first tried to say it wasn't 05' Kong and then, in an audacious act of hypocrisy, tried to dictate thread rules so this would purely be H2H, which is the only scenario in which Kong possibly has a chance.

lulz if you think Kong is dodging one of Optimus's blades

lulz if you think Kong is dodging or withstanding Optimus Prime's blast at point blank range, especially if Optimus is airborne.

lulz if you think Kong will survive a fight with Optimus after Optimus deploys his spiked knuckles.

Your entire argument reeks of Nah, Sadman.

Optimus can fly. What's to stop him from going airborne and spam-firing on Kong, with Kong completely unable to retaliate?

Originally posted by focus4chumps
/baseless speculation

How is it baseless? Actually don't answer. Steel will rend flesh, this is a proven fact, or we would have never invented things like knives, or bullets. Is this still baseless? If you don't have the ability to be honest don't get involved with the points that I bring up.

Originally posted by Master Han
Notice how you never bother to justify this assertion?

It's not as if Prime can throw things too. Or that he has [b]guns. Or that he can fly. 😆 [/B]

Ok: If Prime were to cut an arm off: 3 more fists attack. As long as Prime is in range close enough to attack via that method, he is in the office of Mr.Kong and would be paying heavy taxes.

Prime gets thrown around all the time.

Only with Kong, he has most likely got the strength to do to Prime what Megatron did to Jazz.

Already addressed those, Han. Flying off would also be classed as a retreat and loss under these long standing forum rules.

Originally posted by Robtard
I did not avoid you point.

...yes, you did. You ignored my pointing out Prime has ripped apart metal transformers.

That's a loaded question. If Prime shot Kong in the face with his cannon, Kong would likely be dead or severely damaged, despite Kong's extremely dense bone structure. But that all depends on if Prime is able to pull that off. If the fight starts 50 meters away, sure. If it starts 5, nope.

You're projecting human level intellect to Kong. He'd have to immediately recognize Prime's threat as a ranged combatant and go for his arms, rather than doing what he usually does, taking a few seconds to roar and intimidate before going for a wild gallop. 'cause, you know, he's not entirely sentient.

In what reasonable scenario would Prime and Kong start fighting from 5 meters away? Prime has locator technology, and he's certainly hearing Kong's approach.

Furthermore, even if Kong somehow manages to close the distance; about as likely as Joe Bloggs is to beat a gunman, Prime still has these:

which we see him using to chop transformers in half with single strokes

indeed, all he needs to do is to get one free arm, even temporarily, and blast Kong's face off at close range. He's obviously a better fighter than Kong, and could possibly roll/evade Kong's maneuvers for just the split second needed to shoot him.

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So, in conclusion, the only scenario in which Kong conceivably comes out on top is if you put them in a ridiculous and contrived scenario (ie., immediate close quarters), and presume that Kong magically knows how to take Prime down with human-level efficiency and intelligence.

Originally posted by Master Han

It's not as if Prime can throw things too. Or that he has [b]guns. Or that he can fly. 😆 [/B]

This alone should undisputedly secure Prime's win over Kong.

Originally posted by Sadako of Girth
Aye I agree that what you dont see coming is what does you.
Surprise attacks like the one on Houdini from Kong would kill Prime.

You have to prove that he couldn't.
A computer so advanced that it uses phrases like "my bad".

A child's brain in a body of Kong would mean you could punch Kong out then, right? 😉

It means that you would not have the tactical advantage, and all of your movements would be telegraphed, and easily avoided by the far superior brain. Let's not pretend like Prime was made of aluminum foil, and that he is a 90 lb weakling here. prime has speed, and weapons that are advanced enough, that he would easily kill an ape the size of Kong with ease. I'm thinking that because it's Kong (as in the name) that people that are giving him the win here are stuck on. However the same can be said of Prime in this respect. My thing is the brain power to put the opponent down in this match, and Prime has this in spades over the infireior intellect of Kong.

I can easily see how people can say that Kong may be able to rip Prime apart in a long blown out H2H contest, but I am arguing that Prime would see this coming from a mile away, and adjust his tactics to long range.

Originally posted by Lestov16
lulz. don't accuse me of scripting when you first tried to say it wasn't 05' Kong and then, in an audacious act of hypocrisy, tried to dictate thread rules so this would purely be H2H, which is the only scenario in which Kong possibly has a chance.

You dont know the difference between scripting and casting, clearly. Im not surprised.

lulz if you think Kong is dodging one of Optimus's blades

Optimus can fly. What's to stop him from going airborne and spam-firing on Kong, with Kong completely unable to retaliate?

IF he has his trailer. See above answer. Kong could also evade that. But fundamentally , if Prime runs off to the skies, he loses...