Sentry vs Wonder Woman

Originally posted by Q99
If he's KOed that implies defeated to me.

Sentry's powerful, more-so than Diana, but his mental flakiness is a big deal and Diana's definitely the more skilled by a lot. Between the lasso to hit his mind, her power, her defense (the bracelets should be able to block his attacks just fine, they can block pretty much everything), and her more aggressive nature, I think she'll take it a lot more than not. Sentry won't die but he'll lose the fight.

If he's at his best it's a clear majority. I agree a ko counts as a victory but we will have to see how the Sentry squares off against future opponents since his da 12 feat.

Originally posted by quanchi112
[B]She didn't block every Superman attack thrown her way and won't due so here.

No, but she blocked a lot, and Superman's more skillful than Sentry. In Sacrifice he was using his powers in combination at superspeed, which I don't think Sentry has done.

Originally posted by Q99
No, but she blocked a lot, and Superman's more skillful than Sentry. In Sacrifice he was using his powers in combination at superspeed, which I don't think Sentry has done.

well if were talking a purely physical contest i think diana would win eventually, if sentry can pull some Matter minip than WW will lose.

Originally posted by r0nm0n88
well if were talking a purely physical contest i think diana would win eventually, if sentry can pull some Matter minip than WW will lose.

Originally posted by quanchi112
Even though Sentry was flying head first into WW Hulk's attacks and his strength is significantly more than hers?

merry christmas all!!!!
anyway i dont believe his strength to be that great. i believe she is more skilled and would put him down. She has shown to be able to hang with supes, and i believe supes beats sentry to. Basically it comes down to this. you hold sentry to higher standard, and i hold Diana to a higher standard.

When it comes to wwh i wasnt that impressed, yes he was really powerful, but i think diana could of taken him out. Reflexs count for alot, And WW owns in that department.

Originally posted by r0nm0n88
merry christmas all!!!!
anyway i dont believe his strength to be that great. i believe she is more skilled and would put him down. She has shown to be able to hang with supes, and i believe supes beats sentry to. Basically it comes down to this. you hold sentry to higher standard, and i hold Diana to a higher standard.

When it comes to wwh i wasnt that impressed, yes he was really powerful, but i think diana could of taken him out. Reflexs count for alot, And WW owns in that department.

Originally posted by quanchi112
And this defeats the Sentry?

Originally posted by quanchi112
Actaully, she has shown just the opposite to not be able to hang with Supes. She was temporarily ko'd and had her wrist broken. She can't trade blows with Superman while the Sentry wasn't evading any of the WW Hulk's attacks.

She recovered by the time he got to her, she was out maybe a few seconds, and then inflicted quite a few serious wounds on him when he returned. The fight ended in *her* favor in the end after all.

Superman was attack fast and relentlessly and using multiple powers at once, more-so than Sentry does.

When Circe enchanted Superman to go into a berserk rage and made him look Doomsday-like, increasing his strength, Wonder Woman had less trouble with him than in Sacrifice since his attacks were more direct.

Skill matters easily as much or more than power, and that's something Clark has over Sentry. Sentry's good at the hit-and-take-hits part, but that's not the best way to fight Diana. She's more skilled in hand to hand and will avoid and block hits while delivering punishing ones of her own.

While Sentry may be overtly more powerful, more durable, and faster than Diana in the physical sense, it's not be a massive margin as to easily overpower her. She's close enough in both respects to be considered a peer. Not only that, but Diana's skills go a long way when dealing with someone like Sentry. The ease in which Herc humiliated Sentry is something I can see Diana likewise accomplishing. Adding her standard equipment further tips the favor in her scale.

Obviously after the events of DA#12, Sentry is apparently a matter manipulator of the highest order. Since we don't know the full context of what happened (whether he even destroyed MM or accomplished this under his power or any other details of importance), it's very dubious to insist he could simple "wipe" Diana away. Also, his powers apparently don't stop him from feeling pain in the physical sense from blunt force trauma, and he's just learning these "newfound" powers in the first place. I'd feel more comfortable using the recent feat after some more context is revealed in Dark Avengers or Seige, especially when Sentry is purposefully left in the dark as far as a character goes.

Originally posted by JakeTheBank
While Sentry may be overtly more powerful, more durable, and faster than Diana in the physical sense, it's not be a massive margin as to easily overpower her. She's close enough in both respects to be considered a peer. Not only that, but Diana's skills go a long way when dealing with someone like Sentry. The ease in which Herc humiliated Sentry is something I can see Diana likewise accomplishing. Adding her standard equipment further tips the favor in her scale.

Obviously after the events of DA#12, Sentry is apparently a matter manipulator of the highest order. Since we don't know the full context of what happened (whether he even destroyed MM or accomplished this under his power or any other details of importance), it's very dubious to insist he could simple "wipe" Diana away. Also, his powers apparently don't stop him from feeling pain in the physical sense from blunt force trauma, and he's just learning these "newfound" powers in the first place. I'd feel more comfortable using the recent feat after some more context is revealed in Dark Avengers or Seige, especially when Sentry is purposefully left in the dark as far as a character goes.

this is pretty much right...debating with this character is kinda worthless at this point

Originally posted by r0nm0n88
merry christmas all!!!!

Merry Christmas to you my friend too

Merry Christmas

Originally posted by h1a8
a ko is a defeat. So yes!

This is Terrax smashing Sentry here.

Originally posted by Q99
She recovered by the time he got to her, she was out maybe a few seconds, and then inflicted quite a few serious wounds on him when he returned. The fight ended in *her* favor in the end after all.

Superman was attack fast and relentlessly and using multiple powers at once, more-so than Sentry does.

When Circe enchanted Superman to go into a berserk rage and made him look Doomsday-like, increasing his strength, Wonder Woman had less trouble with him than in Sacrifice since his attacks were more direct.

Skill matters easily as much or more than power, and that's something Clark has over Sentry. Sentry's good at the hit-and-take-hits part, but that's not the best way to fight Diana. She's more skilled in hand to hand and will avoid and block hits while delivering punishing ones of her own.

So? Superman has done better against her than when pouring it on in a frenzy like he did in ww 219 so what's your point? Sentry is too strong and too powerful for her to win a majority against. She is the poor man of the top tiers. She can hang sure but doesn't even beat someone like Gladiator for a majority and loses hard here against an all out Sentry.

Against Superman to win she needs to avoid his attacks. She wasn't taking him head on but instead sneaking up behind him because on her own she had her wrist easily snapped. If she were as skilled as you would lead me to believe that wouldn't have occurred. Plain and simple.

Sentry dominates her all out.

Originally posted by JakeTheBank
While Sentry may be overtly more powerful, more durable, and faster than Diana in the physical sense, it's not be a massive margin as to easily overpower her. She's close enough in both respects to be considered a peer. Not only that, but Diana's skills go a long way when dealing with someone like Sentry. The ease in which Herc humiliated Sentry is something I can see Diana likewise accomplishing. Adding her standard equipment further tips the favor in her scale.

Obviously after the events of DA#12, Sentry is apparently a matter manipulator of the highest order. Since we don't know the full context of what happened (whether he even destroyed MM or accomplished this under his power or any other details of importance), it's very dubious to insist he could simple "wipe" Diana away. Also, his powers apparently don't stop him from feeling pain in the physical sense from blunt force trauma, and he's just learning these "newfound" powers in the first place. I'd feel more comfortable using the recent feat after some more context is revealed in Dark Avengers or Seige, especially when Sentry is purposefully left in the dark as far as a character goes.

Originally posted by bbrem123
this is pretty much right...debating with this character is kinda worthless at this point

the problem with bob to me is i feel he doesnt have any real fighting skills. Just a vast array of powers. And Quan since you believe WWH to be a better fighter than i see him, that feat of sentry and him being pretty even is a better feat to you than me.

At this point its all perspective, As i think Superman could take two WWHs and diana would beat him to. I know its kinda ABC but thats the way i see it. I think sentry is more powerful no doubt, but diana is more skilled. With superman i feel people forget how skilled he is, i dont think bob is nearly as skilled as the two

Wonder Woman >>> Sentry

Originally posted by shokosugi
Wonder Woman >>> Sentry

Originally posted by quanchi112
Actaully, she has shown just the opposite to not be able to hang with Supes. She was temporarily ko'd and had her wrist broken. She can't trade blows with Superman while the Sentry wasn't evading any of the WW Hulk's attacks.

I dont know where you get this from quan about wonder woman not being in the same league as the people you've named (excluding sentry) because we have showings of her stalemating amazo, stalemating/whipping Konvikt a** (a being that took on the entire jla and also one shotted Supes) and she took on a more AMPED version of Konvikt and had the advantage.

She also had the advantage over a Supes/Doomsday merge.

Wonder Woman is in their league and skill wise she could basically go above them..

You underrate her and you might need to start looking at more of her comics to know this.

Originally posted by quanchi112
Her re entry to the earth is what awakened her. It wasn't like she just came to on her own.

"Her enemy getting near woke her up, then she beat him up" isn't exactly an argument against Diana being out of it.

So? Superman has done better against her than when pouring it on in a frenzy like he did in ww 219 so what's your point?

Skill matters more than pure strength against Diana and Superman is one of the most skilled heroes on the planet, Sentry isn't.

Diana's stalemated Superman on numerous occasions and the times he's done best are when he's in his right mind, even if he's stronger than normal when he's not, fighting on raw power makes him lose.

Sentry is too strong and too powerful for her to win a majority against. She is the poor man of the top tiers. She can hang sure but doesn't even beat someone like Gladiator for a majority and loses hard here against an all out Sentry.

He lacks the skills. Her bracelets reduce the effects of raw power a lot of her opponent doesn't have the skill to get past them, and her tiara also gives a nice toughness-bypassing offense.

And Diana'd beat Gladiator too.

Against Superman to win she needs to avoid his attacks. She wasn't taking him head on but instead sneaking up behind him because on her own she had her wrist easily snapped. If she were as skilled as you would lead me to believe that wouldn't have occurred. Plain and simple.

Superman is also very skilled and blitzed her the first time. Superman did not hold the first half of the fight simply through raw power, he was using skill himself, powers in combination.

Once she recovered and used a surprise attack, she retained control of the fight and inflicted quite a few more hits. And if she was as outmatched as you say, that wouldn't have happened, nor would she have slit his throat. There was only one person who was in a position to kill the other at any point during that fight: Diana, not Superman.

Greg Rucka has said Superman is better in the air, Wonder Woman on the ground.

Sentry dominates her all out. Sentry wasn't going all out against Herc. Do you think that if the Sentry that took on WW Hulk took on Herc it would have went down the same way? The point is Sentry varies too much and when he holds back he's far less confident/effective than when he goes all out.

Even when he goes all-out, he's very strait forward though. Diana can block the Omega Effect, and cut him with magic, and affect his fragile mind/soul with the lasso. That's great for her when compared to her vs Supes.

Anyway, I think that covers my point pretty well.

Originally posted by quanchi112
When has he been defeated by a simple combo before? What you are saying wouldn't even come close to koing him.

According to his entire history, Sentry has proven that he can definitely be koed. Otherwise no one in the universe could beat him, short of BFR.

But if this Sentry now has the mind set as he fought Terrax then indeed Diana is in some trouble here.

The only way Diana could possibly win is probably through the lasso.
Assuming Sentry's mindset is at or above the one when he faced Terrax.