Sentry vs Wonder Woman

Originally posted by quanchi112
Sentry wasn't going all out against Herc. Do you think that if the Sentry that took on WW Hulk took on Herc it would have went down the same way?

Hercules wasn't going all out against Sentry, either, to be fair. He was treating the encounter, and Sentry, like a joke. If both men went all out, Sentry would probably end up gaining an advantage due to his speed and flight factor, but if he was going to slug it out on the ground with Herc, then yes, I do believe it's entirely possible the Prince of Power would have schooled him.

If Diana was far below Sentry's weight class, then yeah, I'd wager her skills wouldn't do much for her. But the thing is, she's consistantly shown to be in/around DC's top tier from strength, speed, and durabilty showings alone. Adding her level of skill and equipment simply make her more than a match for the Sentry we've seen the most of from Marvel: roughly mid to upper-middle herald class.

Sentry, love him or hate him, is just a character hard to debate for in these kind of VS. forums. He's all over the place, and one can easily display all of his low showings to discredit the guy or sell all of his high showings, completely disregarding the other ones. To me, after taking all of his showings and averaging them out so to speak (not taking into account DA#12 until I personally am more informed on the nature/specifics of his power), Sentry certainly has the raw stats to engage Diana, but his mental state (something that simply can't be ignored when dealing with Sentry as it's as much of his character as his "s" logo is) really hamper him here.

And when dealing with a top tier combatant with comparable stats and an even better set of skills/equipment such as Diana, it's not going to be as simple as Sentry just overpowering her.

In the end, I'd give Diana a 5.5-6/10 against a competent Sentry. Obviously, she doesn't fare too well against a "matter manipulating" Sentry, but until I see some more consistant feats of this magnitude, I'm not going to assume he'll be fighting at this level.

Originally posted by r0nm0n88
the problem with bob to me is i feel he doesnt have any real fighting skills. Just a vast array of powers. And Quan since you believe WWH to be a better fighter than i see him, that feat of sentry and him being pretty even is a better feat to you than me.

At this point its all perspective, As i think Superman could take two WWHs and diana would beat him to. I know its kinda ABC but thats the way i see it. I think sentry is more powerful no doubt, but diana is more skilled. With superman i feel people forget how skilled he is, i dont think bob is nearly as skilled as the two

Sentry is a big deal. He is also a nutjob who is afraid of his own powers.

Originally posted by shokosugi
Wonder Woman >>> Sentry

Originally posted by carver9
I dont know where you get this from quan about wonder woman not being in the same league as the people you've named (excluding sentry) because we have showings of her stalemating amazo, stalemating/whipping Konvikt a** (a being that took on the entire jla and also one shotted Supes) and she took on a more AMPED version of Konvikt and had the advantage.

She also had the advantage over a Supes/Doomsday merge.

Wonder Woman is in their league and skill wise she could basically go above them..

You underrate her and you might need to start looking at more of her comics to know this.

Originally posted by Q99
"Her enemy getting near woke her up, then she beat him up" isn't exactly an argument against Diana being out of it.

Skill matters more than pure strength against Diana and Superman is one of the most skilled heroes on the planet, Sentry isn't.

Diana's stalemated Superman on numerous occasions and the times he's done best are when he's in his right mind, even if he's stronger than normal when he's not, fighting on raw power makes him lose.

He lacks the skills. Her bracelets reduce the effects of raw power a lot of her opponent doesn't have the skill to get past them, and her tiara also gives a nice toughness-bypassing offense.

And Diana'd beat Gladiator too.

Superman is also very skilled and blitzed her the first time. Superman did not hold the first half of the fight simply through raw power, he was using skill himself, powers in combination.

Once she recovered and used a surprise attack, she retained control of the fight and inflicted quite a few more hits. And if she was as outmatched as you say, that wouldn't have happened, nor would she have slit his throat. There was only one person who was in a position to kill the other at any point during that fight: Diana, not Superman.

Greg Rucka has said Superman is better in the air, Wonder Woman on the ground.

Even when he goes all-out, he's very strait forward though. Diana can block the Omega Effect, and cut him with magic, and affect his fragile mind/soul with the lasso. That's great for her when compared to her vs Supes.

Anyway, I think that covers my point pretty well.

Skill matters but when you are as strong as Superman he can make up for it. If she were stronger I'd say certainly or more powerful but she isn't.

No, she wouldn't.

It's funny how when we lose WW fans we gain new ones. Makes you wonder.

Because he was out of his mind and couldn't tell where she was not that she was standing her ground and holding her own. WW said HE'S TOO STRONG. Those were her own words, sport.

Originally posted by h1a8
There is faulty reasoning in the implication of your first sentence. Find it!

According to his entire history, Sentry has proven that he can definitely be koed. Otherwise no one in the universe could beat him, short of BFR.

But if this Sentry now has the mind set as he fought Terrax then indeed Diana is in some trouble here.

The only way Diana could possibly win is probably through the lasso.
Assuming Sentry's mindset is at or above the one when he faced Terrax.

Originally posted by JakeTheBank
Hercules wasn't going all out against Sentry, either, to be fair. He was treating the encounter, and Sentry, like a joke. If both men went all out, Sentry would probably end up gaining an advantage due to his speed and flight factor, but if he was going to slug it out on the ground with Herc, then yes, I do believe it's entirely possible the Prince of Power would have schooled him.

If Diana was far below Sentry's weight class, then yeah, I'd wager her skills wouldn't do much for her. But the thing is, she's consistantly shown to be in/around DC's top tier from strength, speed, and durabilty showings alone. Adding her level of skill and equipment simply make her more than a match for the Sentry we've seen the most of from Marvel: roughly mid to upper-middle herald class.

Sentry, love him or hate him, is just a character hard to debate for in these kind of VS. forums. He's all over the place, and one can easily display all of his low showings to discredit the guy or sell all of his high showings, completely disregarding the other ones. To me, after taking all of his showings and averaging them out so to speak (not taking into account DA#12 until I personally am more informed on the nature/specifics of his power), Sentry certainly has the raw stats to engage Diana, but his mental state (something that simply can't be ignored when dealing with Sentry as it's as much of his character as his "s" logo is) really hamper him here.

And when dealing with a top tier combatant with comparable stats and an even better set of skills/equipment such as Diana, it's not going to be as simple as Sentry just overpowering her.

In the end, I'd give Diana a 5.5-6/10 against a competent Sentry. Obviously, she doesn't fare too well against a "matter manipulating" Sentry, but until I see some more consistant feats of this magnitude, I'm not going to assume he'll be fighting at this level.

Sentry more than other characters fears his own powers and is unfairly taken out of stories. At his best he is too powerful for Diana. He is just learning some of his powers as well which makes him even scarier.

Originally posted by quanchi112
Then your opinion of Thor sucks tbh. Thor trafdes blows for hours with the Hulk and hasn't put him down yet Superman can beat two WW Hulk's. Superman seemed to have his attention full with Kalibak and Mantis which are two character vastly inferior to the Hulk's let alone WW Hulk's. Your opinion isn't supported by the comics themselves.

Sentry is a big deal. He is also a nutjob who is afraid of his own powers. Based on what?

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lol when it come to hulk i just tend to block him out. Since in the comic world fight and events arent supported by logic, just what would make sales.

To me thor, superman, surfer, brb should put hulk down rather quickly. its my opinion. When it comes to you quan i see you argue and i see your point of view. You make good points with thanos and many other characters, but with hulk i have to disagree. WWH to me shouldnt beat any high herald if he starts at base stats at the beginning of the fight. If hes enraged to incredible levels than its a diff story

time for xmas dinner, finish later

Originally posted by Naija boy
Sentry wins this undoubtedly. He can simply create hundreds sharp solid light constructs and impale her with them. He has also shown that he can use his enrgy to hold down the strongest of opponents( World War hulk) so holding her in position while impaling her will not be a problem.

"holding her in position while impaleing her will not be a problem."

Reported for pornographic inuendo 😄

Wonder Woman could hold him in place too 😬

She woke up because of re entry which means due to the events taking place she woke up not because she woke up on her own.

Skill matters but when you are as strong as Superman he can make up for it. If she were stronger I'd say certainly or more powerful but she isn't.

Because she was only out for a few moments- any impact would wake her up, she was not deep under.

She's pretty darn close to Superman in strength, Spectre and Batman have both pretty much said she's the second strongest being on Earth.

It's funny how when we lose WW fans we gain new ones. Makes you wonder.

It's not suspicious when multiple people are all reading the same stuff.

Because he was out of his mind and couldn't tell where she was not that she was standing her ground and holding her own. WW said HE'S TOO STRONG. Those were her own words, sport.

Way to ignore half the fight, in which she actually did win. He's really strong, but she was still victorious because, while he was 'too strong', she was skilled, quick, and has magic gear that let her turn things around.

The only reason he couldn't tell where she was was due to her actions- something she could do to Sentry too.

It's not like she hasn't taken him on on multiple occasions and done fine. I can think of three where she's at least drawn. Sentry's less skilled. So if Superman only has a small edge against her but is capable of losing if he makes a mistake, someone who's significantly less skilled than Superman's at a disadvantage.

It's no use saying that Diana's not right near Superman in power and capable of giving him a really hard fight when it's happened many times before.

And heck, Superman knows how her powers work. The tiara, the lasso, the bracers? All complete surprises to Sentry.

Originally posted by r0nm0n88
lol when it come to hulk i just tend to block him out. Since in the comic world fight and events arent supported by logic, just what would make sales.

To me thor, superman, surfer, brb should put hulk down rather quickly. its my opinion. When it comes to you quan i see you argue and i see your point of view. You make good points with thanos and many other characters, but with hulk i have to disagree. WWH to me shouldnt beat any high herald if he starts at base stats at the beginning of the fight. If hes enraged to incredible levels than its a diff story

Thats the thing that you all fail to realize about wwh, there was no base level for him, he was mad throughout the arc.

WWH, is stronger than anyone that you mentioned and he will start off amped in the fight since, well, he was angry the entire time. Thats why he was called WWH, he was never calm, he was at his angriest, and he was stronger than he has ever been.

WWH had no base strength and WWH could curb stomp a lot of the high herald if you take out bfring. Majority of the high heralds have problems with bricks far less weaker than WWH so how in the world are they going to subdue one of the most powerful bricks that has been written in a comic.

WWH can't curbstomp a lot of high heralds 😬

She didn't beat Superman. Her snapping Max Lord's neck was all about it being her only option to stop Superman from defeating them all and taking over Earth. A desperation move. Which is also evident in Booster Gold when he changed history by plucking Blue Beetle from time- Superman took over Earth for Max, and no one was able to stop him.

Originally posted by iceman24567
WWH can't curbstomp a lot of high heralds 😬

Not curb stomp but he can beat a lot of them in my opinion, especially if we go by showings that each of them have had against other bricks much weaker than WWH.

Originally posted by Juntai
She didn't beat Superman. Her snapping Max Lord's neck was all about it being her only option to stop Superman from defeating them all and taking over Earth. A desperation move. Which is also evident in Booster Gold when he changed history by plucking Blue Beetle from time- Superman took over Earth for Max, and no one was able to stop him.

😕 She slit his throat and he was helpless. She could have killed him right then while he was shocked, holding his neck.

You love exaggerating his powerlevel 😐

Originally posted by iceman24567
You love exaggerating his powerlevel 😐

why u say that

Originally posted by carver9

WWH had no base strength and WWH could curb stomp a lot of the high herald if you take out bfring.

Originally posted by iceman24567
😐

I corrected the curbstomp part, wasnt serious BUT him having no base strength is true, since he did stay mad throughout the arc and it was mentioned like a zillion times that he was more powerful than ever. 😱

Originally posted by carver9
😕 She slit his throat and he was helpless. She could have killed him right then while he was shocked, holding his neck.

Originally posted by Juntai
She didn't beat Superman. Her snapping Max Lord's neck was all about it being her only option to stop Superman from defeating them all and taking over Earth. A desperation move. Which is also evident in Booster Gold when he changed history by plucking Blue Beetle from time- Superman took over Earth for Max, and no one was able to stop him.

Originally posted by Juntai

😕 You didnt prove anything and as for this fight, Sentry is taking this, Wonder Woman would give him a fight just like she would give anybody a fight but Sentry is just a fu***** beast.

All she did was slow him down long enough to find a solution to the problem. In this case, it meant her doing an act that has reverberated even to this day in killing a villain. It was her only option to stop him. Didn't you read the story? Or do you just look at scans online?

Without them knowing Max was the bad guy, when Booster plucked Ted Kord from time, she was unable to stop him.

Originally posted by carver9
😕 She slit his throat and he was helpless. She could have killed him right then while he was shocked, holding his neck.