Sentry vs Wonder Woman

Originally posted by JakeTheBank
When did I say that Diana will automatically realize that Bob has mental issues? And when did I say the lasso = auto-win?

So you're assuming what you think you know about Diana versus on what Diana has done and more than once? Okay. Unfortunately, her comics do illustrate her using the lasso and its power against those she ensnares with it. Full blown soul ravage? No. Peering into the soul of the target and using it's power of truth and compelling to say nothing of how their soul handles the truth as presented to them via the lasso? Yes, definitely.

I also like how, by this reasoning, Diana now beats Darkseid, Superman, Doomsday, etc. now with her lasso. After all, she uses it ALL the time... so she'd either auto-control them or soul-sear them, etc. Hax. It's hax, right?

That, or delusion. Lasso isn't insta-win. Diana does't use it to insta-win most of her fights. Let's stop pretending she does.

Originally posted by OneDumbG0
I like how Diana would be thinking in the first place to peer into his soul. I'm sure she does that in 80% of her fights that makes you believe she does it in most fights here.

I also like how, by this reasoning, Diana now beats Darkseid, Superman, Doomsday, etc. now with her lasso. After all, she uses it ALL the time... so she'd either auto-control them or soul-sear them, etc. Hax. It's hax, right?

That, or delusion. Lasso isn't insta-win. Diana does't use it to insta-win most of her fights. Let's stop pretending she does.

Lol.

It's what the lasso does, my friend. It's the whole point behind its existence. It forces all bound by it to experience the power of the truth itself, and while Diana holds onto it can peer inside their soul. It's been like that Perez' post-crisis run of Wonder Woman. Even in JMS's run, with the retconned Diana, the lasso still possesses that ability.

What does Darkseid, Superman, Doomsday, etc. have to do with this fight? Nothing. Ares couldn't resist the lasso's power and that was with out Diana being conscious to direct the lasso's power on him. And she was relatively a noob at that. Why should Sentry not be? Because you want him to win?

Never said the lasso was insta-win here. Read my posts, please. She uses the lasso enough to be a viable option and per forum rules, she's fighting to the best of her ability. To disregard Diana using the lasso offensively is to disregard her comics, period.

Originally posted by JakeTheBank
It's what the lasso does, my friend.

What does Darkseid, Superman, Doomsday, etc. have to do with this fight? Nothing.

To disregard Diana using the lasso offensively is to disregard her comics, period.

Just by your reasoning, Diana uses it so much and so often that she'd use it against them too. They'd lose, is what you're saying. Guess Superman Prime and Henshaw and Sinestro would too. Wow, Wonder Woman is so uber since she uses her lasso's auto-control/tp/soul sear abilities in just about every fight she's in. They don't have extra resistance to it, they don't have greater combat superspeed (maybe SMP). Guess she takes the vast majority against them just like against Sentry.

To act like Diana's lasso = insta-win is to disregard her comics, period.

Originally posted by OneDumbG0
Lasso =/= insta-win.

Just by your reasoning, Diana uses it so much and so often that she'd use it against them too. They'd lose, is what you're saying. Guess Superman Prime and Henshaw and Sinestro would too. Wow, Wonder Woman is so uber since she uses her lasso's auto-control/tp/soul sear abilities in just about every fight she's in.

To act like Diana's lasso = insta-win is to disregard her comics, period.

Correct.

So we ignore the times she does do it and instead focus on when she's not done it? When did I say that? She uses those abilities enough to be a viable tactic in a forum fight which is a different beast than a comic book right. Everyone knows that. She'll still be in character, which means she won't instantly soul sear them. But she has more than enough showings of using the lasso and its power to justify using it in a forum battle. Sorry, pal.

Yeah, no one's acting like that or even saying that. Cool story, bro.

Originally posted by OneDumbG0
The lasso doesn't auto-control/tp/soul-sear. Enough with this nonsense.

Sentry physically outclasses her. Wonder Woman's skill and speed make it a fight. But this lasso = auto-win bs is getting out of hand.

Originally posted by JakeTheBank
Correct.

So we ignore the times she does do it and instead focus on when she's not done it? When did I say that? She uses those abilities enough to be a viable tactic in a forum fight which is a different beast than a comic book right. Everyone knows that. She'll still be in character, which means she won't instantly soul sear them. But she has more than enough showings of using the lasso and its power to justify using it in a forum battle. Sorry, pal.

Yeah, no one's acting like that or even saying that. Cool story, bro.

Great. Several pages of discussion that the lasso is the determinative factor is you guys not saying that? Good to know.

Lasso = insta-win as much as Mjolnir = insta-win as much as Power Cosmic = insta-win. As in, it isn't insta-win. Anybody pretending otherwise is missing the forest for the trees.

Originally posted by OneDumbG0
Lasso =/= insta-win.

Just by your reasoning, Diana uses it so much and so often that she'd use it against them too. They'd lose, is what you're saying. Guess Superman Prime and Henshaw and Sinestro would too. Wow, Wonder Woman is so uber since she uses her lasso's auto-control/tp/soul sear abilities in just about every fight she's in. They don't have extra resistance to it, they don't have greater combat superspeed (maybe SMP). Guess she takes the vast majority against them just like against Sentry.

To act like Diana's lasso = insta-win is to disregard her comics, period.

Good post.

Originally posted by OneDumbG0
Fact is, you're giving her the majority because of the lasso. What changes your estimation when she is pitted against Superman, Darkseid or Doomsday? Because by your description, she'd pretty much beat thm too solely because of the lasso. Yes, no? No comment?

Great. Several pages of discussion that the lasso is the determinative factor is you guys not saying that? Good to know.

Lasso = insta-win as much as Mjolnir = insta-win as much as Power Cosmic = insta-win. As in, it isn't insta-win. Anybody pretending otherwise is missing the forest for the trees.

Yeah, the lasso is what puts her over when coupled with her own strength, speed, vastly more impressive combat ability, bracers and tiara. The lasso is her main weapon; why wouldn't I argue the point that because it is her main weapon and one with many instances of Diana using its various powers against numerous foes? I'm not going to not consider it, sorry. And by my description I said she was going to beat Superman, Darkseid, and Doomsday based solely on the lasso? Funny, because I don't recall even mentioning them by name until you did first. They get the majority on Diana for a variety of reasons.

Determinative factor =/= saying it's an insta-win.

Okay. What does Mjolnir or the Power Cosmic have to do with this?

At all?

Fact of the matter is, the lasso has various abilities attributed to it, abilities that Diana has used numerous times and abilities which are viable here in this fight. Ignoring them or assuming Diana won't use them is foolhardy.

Originally posted by JakeTheBank
Yeah, the lasso is what puts her over when coupled with her own strength, speed, vastly more impressive combat ability, bracers and tiara. The lasso is her main weapon; why wouldn't I argue the point that because it is her main weapon and one with many instances of Diana using its various powers against numerous foes? I'm not going to not consider it, sorry. And by my description I said she was going to beat Superman, Darkseid, and Doomsday based solely on the lasso? Funny, because I don't recall even mentioning them by name until you did first. They get the majority on Diana for a variety of reasons.

I'm just taking your bald-faced generalized comments on how awesome the lasso is and applying it to other situations to see how genuinely you believe the lasso is what puts her over guys of this class. Superman, Darkseid, Doomsday, Henshaw don't have any special resistance to it. It's apparently her main weapon and she uses it all the time. Why wouldn't Wonder Woman get a majority over them too?

Unless you understand and realize that the lasso wouldn't be the determinative factor in those fights. Which begs the question, why is it the determinative factor here? Answer: it isn't. Anymore than Mjolnir would when Sentry handles Thor.

Originally posted by JakeTheBank
Yeah, the lasso is what puts her over when coupled with her own strength, speed, vastly more impressive combat ability, bracers and tiara. The lasso is her main weapon; why wouldn't I argue the point that because it is her main weapon and one with many instances of Diana using its various powers against numerous foes? I'm not going to not consider it, sorry. And by my description I said she was going to beat Superman, Darkseid, and Doomsday based solely on the lasso? Funny, because I don't recall even mentioning them by name until you did first. They get the majority on Diana for a variety of reasons.

Determinative factor =/= saying it's an insta-win.

Okay. What does Mjolnir or the Power Cosmic have to do with this?

At all?

Fact of the matter is, the lasso has various abilities attributed to it, abilities that Diana has used numerous times and abilities which are viable here in this fight. Ignoring them or assuming Diana won't use them is foolhardy.

I don't understand. Why do the peeps above get the majority but you put Sentry on the loosing end? I don't get it.

Originally posted by carver9
I don't understand. Why do the peeps above get the majority but you put Sentry on the loosing end? I don't get it.

Because all of those guys are more impressive than Sentry is?

Originally posted by JakeTheBank
Because all of those guys are more impressive than Sentry is?

Originally posted by JakeTheBank
Because all of those guys are more impressive than Sentry is?

Wwwwooooowwwww. Sentry has proven on NUMEROUS of occasions that he is on their level, possibly above.

You have to do better than that jake.

Originally posted by OneDumbG0
So are Molecule Man and Thor and Photon Genis-Vell... oops. Wait, what?

😆

Originally posted by OneDumbG0
Why wouldn't she get the majority over Superman or Darkseid or Doomsday or Henshaw, etc.?

I'm just taking your bald-faced generalized comments on how awesome the lasso is and applying it to other situations to see how genuinely you believe the lasso is what puts her over guys of this class. Superman, Darkseid, Doomsday, Henshaw don't have any special resistance to it. It's apparently her main weapon and she uses it all the time. Why wouldn't Wonder Woman get a majority over them too?

Unless you understand and realize that the lasso wouldn't be the determinative factor in those fights. Which begs the question, why is it the determinative factor here? Answer: it isn't. Anymore than Mjolnir would when Sentry handles Thor.

So misrepresenting what I said?

Darkseid has a huge plethora of abilities and powers to use against Diana. Not even sure why this is even a point of contention here. Same applies to Henshaw. Doomsday is another level entirely physically, and iirc, resisted the lasso's use on him. Superman edges her out due to his own stats, fighting ability, powers, and experience. And Superman's weakness/lack of invulnerability to magic makes him the person mentioned here who Diana has the best shot against between Henshaw, Darkseid, and Doomsday.

As far as Sentry is concerned, he hasn't shown me he has the ability to fight Diana effectively with strength and speed alone. Enough to deal damage and score some blows here and there, but not enough to compensate for Diana's own stats, skill, and yes, her weapons, which she will use on a forum setting.

Originally posted by JakeTheBank
So misrepresenting what I said?

Darkseid has a huge plethora of abilities and powers to use against Diana. Not even sure why this is even a point of contention here. Same applies to Henshaw. Doomsday is another level entirely physically, and iirc, resisted the lasso's use on him. Superman edges her out due to his own stats, fighting ability, powers, and experience. And Superman's weakness/lack of invulnerability to magic makes him the person mentioned here who Diana has the best shot against between Henshaw, Darkseid, and Doomsday.

As far as Sentry is concerned, he hasn't shown me he has the ability to fight Diana effectively with strength and speed alone. Enough to deal damage and score some blows here and there, but not enough to compensate for Diana's own stats, skill, and yes, her weapons, which she will use on a forum setting.

So basically you are saying that Sentry isn't physically on Supes level even though Sentry defeated Thor, toyed with and defeated Terrax in two panel ALONG WITH snapping his ax like a twig. Stalemating someone as powerful as Genis, holding the cosmic cube in his bare hands along with going fist cuffs with the most powerful version of the Hulk.

You are underestimating him. Terrax alone would give Superman a run for his money and Sentry whipped that a** in 2 panels.

Originally posted by carver9
So basically you are saying that Sentry isn't physically on Supes level even though Sentry defeated Thor, toyed with and defeated Terrax in two panel ALONG WITH snapping his ax like a twig. Stalemating someone as powerful as Genis, holding the cosmic cube in his bare hands along with going fist cuffs with the most powerful version of the Hulk.

You are underestimating him. Terrax alone would give Superman a run for his money and Sentry whipped that a** in 2 panels.

Originally posted by carver9
So basically you are saying that Sentry isn't physically on Supes level even though Sentry defeated Thor, toyed with and defeated Terrax in two panel ALONG WITH snapping his ax like a twig. Stalemating someone as powerful as Genis, holding the cosmic cube in his bare hands along with going fist cuffs with the most powerful version of the Hulk.

You are underestimating him. Terrax alone would give Superman a run for his money and Sentry whipped that a** in 2 panels.

If you want to pick out and focus exclusively on his high end feats, sure, go for it.

Terrax, lol. Superman would destroy him. Make the thread.

Fact of the matter here, based on Diana's own feats AS A WHOLE, based on what she's done with the lasso and who's she's done it on, and based on who she has hung with in H2H combat, she's going to beat Sentry. Voided out Sentry or the Void itself is something else entirely.

Which is something I've said several pages ago.

Originally posted by JakeTheBank
So misrepresenting what I said?

Darkseid has a huge plethora of abilities and powers to use against Diana. Not even sure why this is even a point of contention here. Same applies to Henshaw. Doomsday is another level entirely physically, and iirc, resisted the lasso's use on him. Superman edges her out due to his own stats, fighting ability, powers, and experience. And Superman's weakness/lack of invulnerability to magic makes him the person mentioned here who Diana has the best shot against between Henshaw, Darkseid, and Doomsday.

As far as Sentry is concerned, he hasn't shown me he has the ability to fight Diana effectively with strength and speed alone. Enough to deal damage and score some blows here and there, but not enough to compensate for Diana's own stats, skill, and yes, her weapons, which she will use on a forum setting.

Good job backtracking and making this not about the lasso. It's about everything else. Wonder why you and everyone else spent so much time on Sentry's weak psyche though. Because a strong psyche doesn't render the lasso ineffective. At all. In which case, the entire time people talk about Sentry's weak psyche, they're just presenting red herring bullsh1t that has nothing to do with how this fight plays out OR just bashing the character in order to detract from his immense power.

Funny that.

Originally posted by Comics Queen
Terrex would give Superman a run for his money? No the heck he wouldn't. He got beat by the New Warriors.

But yet he gives Surfer fits (even though Surfer has good showings against him as well), gave Thor a run for his money... and almost out fought morg.

Yes, he has the feats to give a herald a good fight.