Ethnic aliens

Started by Phantom Zone6 pages
Originally posted by Kris Blaze
Once again, there's the definition of alien.

Eternals are from earth so there no point in bringing them up.

Originally posted by Kris Blaze

You think that because humans have displayed compassion or kindness, the blue lanterns are somehow based off of humans, simply because they display those traits.

No I dont. Humans tend to create thing based on what they know, hell even back in the day when people worshipped pagans gods they tend to give them human characteristics. You have paintings of God and angels with human features and writers tend to base characters on aspects of their personality and people they know, so obvoulsy its an assumption that the Blue lanterns are based on humans. Yeah I see what you're saying.

Originally posted by Kris Blaze
Also, Paul, remember that rational is pretty relative.

What may seem like rational choices to us, might not be to them.

of course.

Originally posted by Phantom Zone
You spoke about making aliens look as different as possible and gave the A-Wave as an example alot of the A-Wave looked like insects including Annihilus. So obvoulsy on the other side of the spectrum in not just talking about aliens with blue skin like the Kree but that includes aliens with green skin pointy ears and other weird features that look strange but still have simliarities to humans and act human eg Thanos's small companion (who basically looked like a fairy) ...and there are many more examples.

so what, you want more diversity within those races?

Again its going to be another case of me having to take your word for it while the facts I know dont support your argument. Thanos had a limited series and in that series there were loads of new aliens. Even some of the A-Wave looked human such as The Centurions.

i didn't say none, i said they were outnumbered, which they tend to be.

As you know im mainly a marvel man so I really cant comment on DC, however marvel does not support your case.

in several cases it does. look at the race that vulcan fought recently, the insectlike people. some of hulk's warbound, etc.

You seem to be saying two thing:

1. The Blue lanterns behave like humans, which doesnt support your argument.
2. Them not being white isnt racial. I never said it was, but maybe you are adding your 2cents.

1. How?
2. I don't follow.

Guys to end this debate without having read any of the thread........

..........it shouldn't matter if you are or aren't Black, White, Yellow, Green, Red, Blue or any other colour's, visible or invisible......

Except the Purpley ones. We should round all them up at once chair

Originally posted by Kris Blaze
Trick just LAID DOWN THE LAW
even though i think this topic is kinda lame, i have to point out why trick in this case is not completely right.

anyone who watched the original star trek knows that almost all the actors were played by caucasians, even the alien characters. but even though they were wearing makeup and prosthetic, it was plain as day that the "alien" was very much a caucasian humanoid with like blue skin and brow ridges, that's the weird thing. comic aliens from the golden age are almost exactly the same, apart from uxas, kalibak, and black racer, all apocaliptians and new genesians (if that's what they're called) are caucasian.

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but to derail this thread, marvel and dc imitated a lot from star trek when it comes to off world ideas and races. so it's natural that they too fallow that trend. also, when the majority of the legendary comic characters were being created and established, it was the freakin 60's! blackspliotation was in full effect, the world socially was changing, and the civil rights movement was just under way, that's why in the late 60's we got the new characters like black panther and in the 70's the new squad of x-men consisting of a russian, an african woman (though born in america), a german, an irishman, a canadian, and native american in a major now legendary comic. basically the civil rights movement helped every race/gender/nationality get "panel time" so, i guess blame it on the times man.

it's 2009 and american just elected their first non-caucasian president and a woman could have easily been elected also, things aren't totally dire in that department.

Originally posted by Raoul

so what, you want more diversity within those races?

The point is you stated that aliens these days are nothing like humans or are extremely different eg A-Wave. Im merely pointing out to you that if we have lots of aliens that look like Skrulls for example that is an example of aliens that dont fit into your category. Alot of the aliens in the Thanos series were like that they looked different from humans but were cleary based and acted like humans.

Originally posted by Raoul

i didn't say none,

LOL I know you didnt you missed the point.

Originally posted by Raoul

i said they were outnumbered, which they tend to be.

Again are you going to stop stating something like its fact without proving it? The whole point I was making is that hardly (or none) any of the aliens in the Thanos series fit your category of extremely different aliens. You have extremely different aliens in the A-wave but again all this means is that those type of aliens outnumbered the other types in that particular crossover not for the marvel universe in general.

Originally posted by Raoul

in several cases it does. look at the race that vulcan fought recently, the insectlike people. some of hulk's warbound, etc.

Your not helping yourself by bringing up the warbound. Some of the invasion force mainly included insect like aliens but characters like Hiriom and Korg are members of species that possibly include millions of people like them. You could argue that the invasion force consisted of more strange looking creatrures that were vastly different from humans but back on Skar im not so sure.

Also in the infinite abyss series we see human looking and acting aliens. So theres nothing conclusive that writers nowhere days are creating more (If I dont highlight this you'll probably repeat the same thing and tell me I dont get the point) extremely weird looking and acting aliens.

Originally posted by Raoul

1. How?
2. I don't follow.

Nevermind. Oh yeah the red lanterns as aliens themselves seem to be still based on humans, what makes them act differently isnt becaue they are aleins but their red power rings. Liara didnt act like that until she got her power ring.

Originally posted by Phantom Zone
The point is you stated that aliens these days are nothing like humans or are extremely different eg A-Wave. Im merely pointing out to you that if we have lots of aliens that look like Skrulls for example that is an example of aliens that dont fit into your category. Alot of the aliens in the Thanos series were like that they looked different from humans but were cleary based and acted like humans.

i didn't say that at all. i said that aliens created within the last decade or so, as in, new alien races, tend to more often than not be as different from humans as possible. i'm not saying there are none like humans, i'm just saying that nowadays artists like to flex their creative muscles and come up with new, unique looking aliens.

LOL I know you didnt you missed the point.

you should make it clear then, seriously.

Again are you going to stop stating something like its fact without proving it? The whole point I was making is that hardly (or none) any of the aliens in the Thanos series fit your category of extremely different aliens. You have extremely different aliens in the A-wave but again all this means is that those type of aliens outnumbered the other types in that particular crossover not for the marvel universe in general.

everything i state. let me repeat that. EVERYTHING. everything i state is my own opinion. to some people i'm notorious for putting too many imo's in my posts.

Your not helping yourself by bringing up the warbound. Some of the invasion force mainly included insect like aliens but characters like Hiriom and Korg are members of species that possibly include millions of people like them. You could argue that the invasion force consisted of more strange looking creatrures that were vastly different from humans but back on Skar im not so sure.

i used the warbound to illustrate that there are plenty of non human looking aliens, thats all. so yes, it does actually help me illustrate my point.

Also in the infinite abyss series we see human looking and acting aliens. So theres nothing conclusive that writers nowhere days are creating more (If I dont highlight this you'll probably repeat the same thing and tell me I dont get the point) extremely weird looking and acting aliens.

again, read what i wrote.

Nevermind. Oh yeah the red lanterns as aliens themselves seem to be still based on humans, what makes them act differently isnt becaue they are aleins but their red power rings. Liara didnt act like that until she got her power ring.

no shit. i know who laira is. i was talking about the group as a collective, not individuals. all the corps have human looking aliens, all the corps also have aliens who don't.

you're not listening to what i'm saying. i'm not denying that there are human looking races. what i'm saying is that nowadays, when an artist is tasked with creating a new alien race, more often than not they will go to town on making their aliens as funky looking as possible.

look at the sinestro corps. there are human looking members, but several artists had to come up with new, scary alien races, which they did.

they only tend to anthropomorphise aliens when the main characters need someone to interact with on any deep level. soranik natu needed to have a nice rack to make kyle rayner attracted to her, and the hulk was never going to marry a chick that looked like the brood queen (yet another marvel race that is as unhuman as it gets. not to mention the phalanx).

to go back to the first post:

Originally posted by Phantom Zone
http://www.newsarama.com/comics/010906-Supermen-Color.html

An article about non-white krptonians. I personally think its a good thing to have ethnic diverse alien races. I used to find its strange that most humanoid alien races where white. Like one of the actors in heroes stated it would be absurd to make all the heroes white and the characters should reflect the real world.

No doubt flaming will commence but this is not why I started this thread

you seem to be operating under the assumption that "white" is an equivalent of caucasion. caucasion kryptonians? ok, granted, so lets give them black kyrptonians. they're obviously based on humanity to a large extent, even when it comes down to skin tone (something tells me the population of earth wouldnt have taken superman to their hearts if he had three arms and lilac skin), it fits.

when it comes to other races? there seems to be a kind of reverse racism going on in your post. there seems to be the assumption that being a blue kree, a white (as in, white, not caucasion) member of saint walker's race, a grey member of Caiera's race, etc etc, is some galactic equivalent of being caucasian. it isn't. at all. some alien races have one colour, some have two, but the entire point of making alien characters is to make new, exciting characters that are not human. that means being different. if they make CAUCASIAN aliens, then sure, you could go and make black, asian, latino and puerto rican members of said race. if they aren't caucasian, then no, i don't see a reason to bring in different coloured aliens.

earth is generally considered (in both companies) to be the most diverse planet in the universe. thats something i will never have a problem with.

Originally posted by Raoul
i didn't say that at all. i said that aliens created within the last decade or so, as in, new alien races, tend to more often than not be as different from humans as POSSIBLE. i'm not saying there are none like humans, i'm just saying that nowadays artists like to flex their creative muscles and come up with new, unique looking aliens.

You know what that sounds like? Its like I explained what you said and then you repeated it back to me and said I didnt understand it, Jesus Christ Roaul.

Making aliens as different as possible? Is it me but doesnt that mean they make them look as different from humans as possible? You know isnt making them look as different from humans as possible mean the same thing as extremely different, or similar?

Again I didnt say you said none, I said you said most I even highlighted the word more. Also look at this quote below

Originally posted by Raoul
yes, a basis that they make their aliens as different from as possible. look at kryb, or the orange lanterns, or the annihilation wave. they don't just look different, they act different.

You've seen the A-Wave werent alot of those aliens just like insects? Dont you think that alien that looks like an insect is extremely different from humans and dont you think this quote implies this you are refering to aliens that are extremely different? 🤨

Originally posted by Raoul
everything i state. let me repeat that. EVERYTHING. everything i state is my own opinion. to some people i'm notorious for putting too many imo's in my posts.

No you dont, you dictate.

Originally posted by Raoul

i used the warbound to illustrate that there are plenty of non human looking aliens, thats all. so yes, it does actually help me illustrate my point.

....your overall point is that the MAJORITY of aliens are more crazy looking, it doesnt prove your point because those are just specific circumstance but not overall.

Originally posted by Raoul

again, read what i wrote.
Originally posted by Raoul

what i'm saying is that nowadays, when an artist is tasked with creating a new alien race, more often than not they will go to town on making their aliens as funky looking as possible.

I said you said that already! 🤨

Originally posted by Phantom Zone
So theres nothing conclusive that writers nowhere days are creating [b]more (If I dont highlight this you'll probably repeat the same thing and tell me I dont get the point) extremely weird looking and acting aliens.
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*sigh* I knew you'd say that.

Originally posted by Raoul

look at the sinestro corps. there are human looking members, but several artists had to come up with new, scary alien races, which they did.

I already said you might be right about Dc I was just adding my 2 cents about the Red lanterns.

Originally posted by Raoul

they only tend to anthropomorphise aliens when the main characters need someone to interact with on any deep level. soranik natu needed to have a nice rack to make kyle rayner attracted to her, and the hulk was never going to marry a chick that looked like the brood queen (yet another marvel race that is as unhuman as it gets. not to mention the phalanx).

You havnet proven anything in terms of marvel. You keep repeating the same shit over and over again its Incredible.

Originally posted by Raoul

you seem to be operating under the assumption that "white" is an equivalent of caucasion.

It depends. I dont think Skrulls or Rigelllians are 'white', but yeah I consider blue skin kree to be 'white'.

Originally posted by Raoul

caucasion kryptonians? ok, granted, so lets give them black kyrptonians. they're obviously based on humanity to a large extent, even when it comes down to skin tone (something tells me the population of earth wouldnt have taken superman to their hearts if he had three arms and lilac skin), it fits.

There you go.

Originally posted by Raoul

when it comes to other races? there seems to be a kind of reverse racism going on in your post. there seems to be the assumption that being a blue kree, a white (as in, white, not caucasion) member of saint walker's race, a grey member of Caiera's race, etc etc, is some galactic equivalent of being caucasian. it isn't. at all. some alien races have one colour, some have two, but the entire point of making alien characters is to make new, exciting characters that are not human. that means being different.

LOL the whole point was that Caira people were human looking I didnt say anything about caucasian. Hell even if you thought that was implied you missed the point entirely. For evey crazy looking alien there are as many normal looking ones.

Like I said I dont think Skrulls, Rigallieans etc are white. This is just some stuff you're trying to focus on. Obvoulsy blue skin kree are based on caucasians they dont have narrow eyes or curly hair....c'mon now.

Originally posted by Raoul

if they make CAUCASIAN aliens, then sure, you could go and make black, asian, latino and puerto rican members of said race. if they aren't caucasian, then no, i don't see a reason to bring in different coloured aliens.

Which is one of my whole bloody points in the first place. 🤨

oh for crying out loud. try and deflect some more, will you?

don't tell lies about me. seriously, don't bloody do it. you don't know a damn thing about me, and don't you dare think that you are in any position to condescend to me.

Originally posted by Raoul
don't tell lies about me. seriously, don't bloody do it. you don't know a damn thing about me, and don't you dare think that you are in any position to condescend to me.

No I'll carry on doing the same thing I felt my post was appropriate.

Originally posted by Phantom Zone
No I'll carry on doing the same thing I felt my post was appropriate.

i'm not the one with the issues. you think you're somehow qualified to make judgements about people you barely know.

you told actual lies about me in that post, and i'm not going to let it stand. you don't get away with that.

personal attacks i.e. bashing aren't allowed on the forum.

oh, an edit, wonderful.

Originally posted by Raoul
i'm not the one with the issues. you think you're somehow qualified to make judgements about people you barely know you told actual lies about me in that post, and i'm not going to let it stand. you don't get away with that.

I dont think I did, I was thinking of closing the thread. If you want you can respond to it. As far as im concerned you stink.

You dont get it. I usually wouldnt give people like you the time of day. I dont need to lie about somebody like you im just pissed off that I have to take crap from somebody who think hes knows its all. As far as im concerened you're ****ing with me so im ****ing with you.

Originally posted by Phantom Zone
I dont think I did, I was thinking of closing the thread. If you want you can respond to it. As far as im concerned you stink.

You dont get it. I usually wouldnt give people like you the time of day. I dont need to lie about somebody like you im just pissed off that I have to take crap from somebody who think hes knows its all. As far as im concerened you're ****ing with me so im ****ing with you.

you're out of line.

you don't know me, yet you think you can talk about me and "people like me."

you are lying about me. you're making statements that are factually incorrect. thats lying.

Originally posted by Raoul
you're out of line.

you don't know me, yet you think you can talk about me and "people like me."

I could be wrong but at the end of the day I aplogised and you insulted me aftewards. Im sick of your shit.

Originally posted by Raoul

you are lying about me. you're making statements that are factually incorrect. thats lying.

I dont think I am

Originally posted by Raoul

personal attacks i.e. bashing aren't allowed on the forum.

Didnt you make personal attacks about me? I see wanna have your cake and eat it. Typical. 👆

Originally posted by Phantom Zone
I could be wrong but at the end of the day I aplogised and you insulted me aftewards. Im sick of your shit.

you are wrong.

I dont think I am

you are.

Didnt you make personal attacks about me? I see wanna have your cake and eat it. Typical. 👆

amazing, how you started, yet claim i did. nice.

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i'm allowed to defend myself, which i did. thats all.

Originally posted by Phantom Zone

It depends. I dont think Skrulls or Rigelllians are 'white', but yeah I consider blue skin kree to be 'white'.

wow so blue isn't not white to you now

Originally posted by Raoul
you are wrong.

See what i mean lies. Posting that thread wasnt insulting...you kill me.

Originally posted by Raoul

you are.

You just dont get it. I wouldnt do something like that unpurpose. If I did that I would be acting like you and I hate your guts.

Originally posted by Raoul

amazing, how you started, yet claim i did. nice.

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i'm allowed to defend myself, which i did. thats all.

Ermm again like I said I apologised and then you insulted me, pay attention. To be quite honst you insulted me first but that could be considered to be a matter of opinion, obvoulsy you think it was justified eventhiugh you were coming out with crap.

Originally posted by jalek moye
wow so blue isn't not white to you now

um blue krees are obvoulsy based on caucasians. Skrulls arent.

so i'm guessing you want some green kree with purple short coil like curly hair, wider noses and thicker lips?

Originally posted by jalek moye
so i'm guessing you want some green kree with purple short coil like curly hair, wider noses and thicker lips?

.....serioulsy man whats the problem here? All I said was that blue krees are based on caucasians, you telling me there not?

We both said we want to see more ethnic aliens lets leave it at that. I dont have a hard-on for the Kree race.

Originally posted by Phantom Zone
.....serioulsy man whats the problem here? All I said was that blue krees are based on caucasians, you telling me there not?

We both said we want to see more ethnic aliens lets leave it at that. I dont have a hard-on for the Kree race.


more thnic human like aliens. i'd actually prefer the aliens look nothing like humans. or atleast be different like the skrulls are. i'm just saying what do you honestly want another kree ethnicty for

Originally posted by jalek moye
i'm just saying what do you honestly want another kree ethnicty for

Nahhhh. Leave them as they are, sorry im in a bit of a bad mood.