Jedi and Siths Vs Marvel moviesheroes and villians

Well, perception of events is a jedi's skill set, they felt alderaan being destroyed because so many lives were instantly taken, if you're connected to the force, that's like a ***** slap in the face.

And the force is the living embodiment of all things, but we're going on movie facts. Range is indeed in Marvel's favor because of the following characters. Storm, Iceman, Cyclops, Jean, Magneto, Pyro, Human Torch, Invisible Woman, Doom, Iron Man, Arclight, Surfer, Xavier, and other shown mutants.

And I'm not sure if you can add Clone Wars, since it was technically a movie, but the events fall under expanded universe.

Originally posted by KingD19
Well, perception of events is a jedi's skill set, they felt alderaan being destroyed because so many lives were instantly taken, if you're connected to the force, that's like a ***** slap in the face.

And the force is the living embodiment of all things, but we're going on movie facts. Range is indeed in Marvel's favor because of the following characters. Storm, Iceman, Cyclops, Jean, Magneto, Pyro, Human Torch, Invisible Woman, Doom, Iron Man, Arclight, Surfer, Xavier, and other shown mutants.

And I'm not sure if you can add Clone Wars, since it was technically a movie, but the events fall under expanded universe.

I'm sure that your wrong on the range thing. Iron Man is a prime example. He is just a man in a powered suit, he no supernatuaral or mutant powers.

And as for Clone Wars being EU you are also wrong. It was commissioned by George Lucas and he had the final say it its direction. Therefore it is cannon.

Iron Man has no powers true, but he has repulsor rays, and enough ordinance to take on a small military nation, which he did. One dart blew up a tank, and so on and so on. And if he had access to the resources he had in the movie, he doesn't even need to engage the jedi, he can just bomb them from a safe distance.

Just about everything in the expanded universe is canon, but the original six movies are what everyone usually looks to when they think of the movies, not the new claymation-esque Clone Wars.

Originally posted by MilitantDog
I'm sure that your wrong on the range thing. Iron Man is a prime example. He is just a man in a powered suit, he no supernatuaral or mutant powers.

I don't get what you're saying. Just because he doesn't have powers doesn't mean he doesn't have range, that makes no sense at all. He has shown he can shoot rockets, bullets and repulsor beams which all have range.

Originally posted by MilitantDog

And as for Clone Wars being EU you are also wrong. It was commissioned by George Lucas and he had the final say it its direction. Therefore it is cannon.

Well, we actually have had a knowledgable mod have a say on this and I believe that it was said that Clone Wars is not canon. I don't remember it correctly, if anyone remembers, please correct me if I am wrong. Also just because Lucas says ok go do it, doesn't make it canon (g canon). The only material that is strictly G-canon are the 6 films written by George Lucas.

Originally posted by Placidity
I don't get what you're saying. Just because he doesn't have powers doesn't mean he doesn't have range, that makes no sense at all. He has shown he can shoot rockets, bullets and repulsor beams which all have range.

Well, we actually have had a knowledgable mod have a say on this and I believe that it was said that Clone Wars is not canon. I don't remember it correctly, if anyone remembers, please correct me if I am wrong. Also just because Lucas says ok go do it, doesn't make it canon (g canon). The only material that is strictly G-canon are the 6 films written by George Lucas.

As the creator of Star Wars GL is the only one who can decide what is canon and what is not, in the same way as Gene Rodderberry with Star Trek (when he was alive) had the final word. So if GL approves it, its is canon. Same with the new Old Republic MMO that is coming out soon (based on the KOTOR time period) GL has been involved in and has approved as canon. I don't care if the Pope jumps in as a Mod on forum and says it not canon.

Originally posted by MilitantDog
As the creator of Star Wars GL is the only one who can decide what is canon and what is not, in the same way as Gene Rodderberry with Star Trek (when he was alive) had the final word. So if GL approves it, its is canon. Same with the new Old Republic MMO that is coming out soon (based on the KOTOR time period) GL has been involved in and has approved as canon. I don't care if the Pope jumps in as a Mod on forum and says it not canon.

Wait, do you understand that the 6 Original films are at the highest level of canon (confirmed by GL)? There are different levels and G-canon outranks all of them.

Anything contradicted by higher canon is non-canon.

Originally posted by Placidity
Wait, do you understand that the 6 Original films are at the highest level of canon (confirmed by GL)? There are different levels and G-canon outranks all of them.

Anything contradicted by higher canon is non-canon.

So it's canon, but not canon, because the canon is more canon than the canon???

Its either canon or its not you twit.

Originally posted by Robtard
Exactly, it's vague at best, he also used polical subterfuge to gain control and didn't just "The Force" everything. Also of note, blocking other Force-users from discovering he's a Sith isn't intrinsic with what Xavier's mind-powers are. Comparing apples to oranges.

Not that it takes a genius, just that the SW crew wouldn't have a way of just suddenly (aka "The Force pwns all"😉 making something like that up during the battle.

It's not that it's vague...It just doesn't smack you in the face with it's obviousness.

To say they wouldn't have a way of doing it is irrelevant. Like i said, the technology exists. Therefor all it would take is a scan of the surfers energy output and hitting back with that frequency from already existing technologies.

Originally posted by KingD19
Obi-Wan and Anakin didn't die on Mustafar when they were battling over the lave because of the droids they were on, they were built to be shielded against intense heat. Seems you're forgetting that when anakin fell on the bank, he burst into flames.

But you're right, I forgot that Luke used the power as well, although it was still a simple choke, that anyone could easily walk up to you, and punch you in the face to stop.

And the link you used is from the expanded universe, and it's just a detector array, not capable of sending out a tachyon pulse on the same frequency of Surfer.

The basis for the ligtning for the movies is that Storm controls elements, electricity included, if she calls it down, it comes down at the velocity of natural lightning, since that is what it is.

The droids themselves can resist the heat but the temperature of the air in those situations is still upwards of 1000 degrees. there was no physical protection from that.

the link i used isn't EU...X and Y wings are in the films.

You're stated that Jedi and Sith couldn't avoid natural lightning...this is what i was asking for proof of in relation to the films...simply speculating so doesn't make it so.

Originally posted by MilitantDog
So it's canon, but not canon, because the canon is more canon than the canon???

There is physical protection from that Jaden. You didn't see the blue tint of energy under the droids? That's what kept them from dying from the intense heat, the shield encompassed the whole droid, which meant int surround Obi-Wan and Anakin too, it only was visible where it was actively engaged in keeping the droids metal from melting and it's circuits from frying. The droideka shields, the ray shield that captures Palpatine, Obi-Wan, and Anakin. All of those shields can and have been converted for personal uses by humans.

I can't find it, but I'll take your word, however, it's still just a detector, which means it detects tachyons, and I believe Surfer wasn't made of tachyons, he just resonated a frequency that tachyons could effect.

One speed feat out of all 6 movies. In EP I: Phantom Menace, when Obi-Wan and Qui-Gon are on the Seperatist ship, and the droidekas come, they do that little move reaaaly quick out of the way of the guns. That was the only speed feat out of all 6 movies. Natural lightning is clocked around 60,000 mph, and at temperatures of 30,000 degrees. Even from the feat in PM, they would still get hit, even if not a direct blow, it would be more than enough to be fatal. If Callisto couldn't dodge lightning, a girl who moved over large areas in split seconds, then the Jedi can't.

Originally posted by KingD19
There is physical protection from that Jaden. You didn't see the blue tint of energy under the droids? That's what kept them from dying from the intense heat, the shield encompassed the whole droid, which meant int surround Obi-Wan and Anakin too, it only was visible where it was actively engaged in keeping the droids metal from melting and it's circuits from frying. The droideka shields, the ray shield that captures Palpatine, Obi-Wan, and Anakin. All of those shields can and have been converted for personal uses by humans.

I can't find it, but I'll take your word, however, it's still just a detector, which means it detects tachyons, and I believe Surfer wasn't made of tachyons, he just resonated a frequency that tachyons could effect.

One speed feat out of all 6 movies. In EP I: Phantom Menace, when Obi-Wan and Qui-Gon are on the Seperatist ship, and the droidekas come, they do that little move reaaaly quick out of the way of the guns. That was the only speed feat out of all 6 movies. Natural lightning is clocked around 60,000 mph, and at temperatures of 30,000 degrees. Even from the feat in PM, they would still get hit, even if not a direct blow, it would be more than enough to be fatal. If Callisto couldn't dodge lightning, a girl who moved over large areas in split seconds, then the Jedi can't.

Even the part of the duel that takes place on the broken platform that has fallen into the lava river would have been in excess of 500 degrees...what would be your explanation for the protection from that?

Your original point is invalidated...watch the duel...at the point where Anakin says "i should have know the Jedi were plotting to take over" his hair is moving due to travelling at speed through the atmosphere...had this been within the shielding there would be no such effect....hence he isn't protected by the shield.

Originally posted by jaden101
It's not that it's vague...It just doesn't smack you in the face with it's obviousness.

To say they wouldn't have a way of doing it is irrelevant. Like i said, the technology exists. Therefor all it would take is a scan of the surfers energy output and hitting back with that frequency from already existing technologies.

That would be like being vague. What is completely obvious and does smack you right in the face, Xavier's immense mind powers. Which should supersede a maybe, possibly or probably.

How is it irrelevant in this battle? Reed (who's a uber genius) studied footage of the surfer and then deduced that something specific might work against him. In a hypothetical battle like this, the SW crew will not (logically) have that chance to study, deduce his weakness and then create a device which can release a 'tachyon pulse', which is what the SW-clowns seem to think "The Force" could just do.

As far as lightgsabres cutting through the Marvel team, they cut with intense heat, right? I assume this because they melt (most) metals and they cauterize wounds instantly when someone has as body part sliced off.

So it stands to reason that characters that can withstand (very) high levels of heat, would be lightsabre resistance or outright proof.

Wolverine/Deathstrike: Adamantium is said to be to be virtually indestructible in the films, I believe Striker says this n X2. So it stands to reason it can withstand extrememe levels of heat as part of it's makeup. Though not conclusive. Are the lightsabre proof metals in SW resistant because of their extreme durability or?

The Thing: He takes fireballs from Johnny, might be enough, might not.

Silver Surfer: Survives the heat on entering Earth's atmosphere and Johnny's attacks, he's likely outright llightsabre proof. He could also just absorb it, possibly, as he did the missile.

Colossus: Nothing really on screen, but he's supposed to be invulnerable when transformed as per his power description. So?

The Hulks: Ang's version took a gamma bomb, lightsabre won't do shit, logically. Norton's had a fully armed gunship crash and burn into him without a scratch, probably not a big enough feat to make him sabreproof.

Johnny Torch: He can go supernova and survive, lightsabre won't do shit.

Ghost Rider: Is magical/supernatural and made in part of 'hellfire'. Stands it reason a lightsabre won't cut him.

Sue Storm: Her shields held back Johnny's supernova, she can fully protect herself (and others) from a lightsabre.

Dr. Doom: Took Johnny's supernova at ground zero, lightsabre won't cut him.

Kitty Pryde: Can go immaterial (and leave a Jedi/Sith stuck in the floor.)

Lightsabers are, supposedly, multiple times hotter than the sun.

So going "Supernova" and the like is no that big of a deal.

Originally posted by Final Blaxican
Lightsabers are, supposedly, multiple times hotter than the sun.

So going "Supernova" and the like is no that big of a deal.

Sounds like more wild speculations...

If they were that hot, not even the Jedi could withstand the heat from them, they would also have turned that blast-door completely bright-red and melted it into liquid with seconds, when Jin was trying to get through in the beginning of Ep:1.

I believe Johnny's supernova is also far hotter than the sun. I'd have to watch the film again.

If they were that hot, not even the Jedi could withstand the heat from them, they would also have turned that blast-door completely bright-red and melted it into liquid with seconds, when Jin was trying to get through in the beginning of Ep:1.

I agree.

The counter argument is that the same technology that focuses the laser energy into the shape of a blade also retains the heat.

If a lightsaber is that hot then why was that dudes arm not cauterised in ANH in the bar....?

(And why for that matter was that hand furry....?)

😛

Mace would've melted Palpatine's face if a lightsaber transferred heat like that.

Even the part of the duel that takes place on the broken platform that has fallen into the lava river would have been in excess of 500 degrees...what would be your explanation for the protection from that?
^ Read up on personal shields, they are designed to stop whatever they are designed to stop. Those were heat shields, they stopped the heat from getting through, there was still air in the shields, just like with any shield, otherwise they would have suffocated.

Your original point is invalidated...watch the duel...at the point where Anakin says "i should have know the Jedi were plotting to take over" his hair is moving due to travelling at speed through the atmosphere...had this been within the shielding there would be no such effect....hence he isn't protected by the shield.
^Again, shields are only desinged to stop certain things. A shield might stop blaster fire, but a slugthrower or regular sword might get through. But a dueling shield would take hits from the sword, etc...