Originally posted by Dr Will Hatch
From what I know about Dooku(not enough), I think the power "granted" by Palpatine in addition to Dookus power would be enough to distract them so he could run away. Keep in mind that they were in a war zone, which Sith thrive on, and that clouded the Jedis collective minds.
What on earth does this have to do with: AOTC Yoda struggles with a Crane. CW: Yoda backhands a MTT, and please remember that while Yoda performed the feat with the push of the MTT he was on Coruscant that was under attack and has a much larger population then Geonosia, and yet he has a better feat, that makes no sense what so ever.
No, but they will realize the attack even as Storm thinks it. They will have a few seconds to leap away. I never said they would just dodge it, their precog will come into play.
And Storm can direct lightning at moving targets, also, lightning is attracted to metal, if they're holding metal lightsabers, you do the math. She can also make rapid multiple strikes, and even generate it from her hands.
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Again, as soon as Iceman or Pyro think "You know, I wanna set them afire/freeze them, the Jedi will be on the move, out of the line of fire, and attacking with the force or their lightsabers. Jedi move far too fast for Iceman or Pyro to follow with their attacks.
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Movie jedi showed nowhere enough speed to dodge a stream of concentrated cold going moderately fast, or wide spread, fast flame attacks. And you do know that they can just follow them with their attacks, it's not that hard.
It's never mentioned in the movie that it is frick metal, only on SW sites or wiki. EU bullshit. And frick metal does not exist here.
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It's spelled Phrik, and it blocked lightsaber strikes. The only thing that can block lightsabers are other lightsabers, and the select few metals which interfere with the actual saber. Since they blocked it in the movie, and in the EU the Magna-Guards energy staffs are made of Phrik, they are made of Phrik in the movie, otherwise they would have been sliced through.
Name one time when Ghost Rider attacked an innocent.
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GR has not attacked an innocent, but the Jedi will not be considered innocent if they're actively trying to kill he and his comrades.
No, Wolvie would fall with any half trained Jedi. As soon as he nears, all they have to do is force push him away and KO him, Magneto style.
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Yes, they can push him away, but he'll keep coming back, really, what can a Jedi do to knock Wolverine unconscious?
Originally posted by KingD19So they are holding metal lightsabers, so what? Yes, lightning is attracted to metal, but isnt adamantium metal? When, in the movies, was one of her lightning blasts shown straying dangerously close to Wolvie?And Storm can direct lightning at moving targets, also, lightning is attracted to metal, if they're holding metal lightsabers, you do the math. She can also make rapid multiple strikes, and even generate it from her hands.
And Storm has never faced someone as fast as a Jedi.
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Movie jedi showed nowhere enough speed to dodge a stream of concentrated cold going moderately fast, or wide spread, fast flame attacks. And you do know that they can just follow them with their attacks, it's not that hard.Again, have they ever faced someone who can move as fast as a Jedi? Nope. What are they gonna do when a Jedi dodges their fire/ice attacks and hurls their saber at them? Or force pushes them away like rag dolls?
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It's spelled Phrik, and it blocked lightsaber strikes. The only thing that can block lightsabers are other lightsabers, and the select few metals which interfere with the actual saber. Since they blocked it in the movie, and in the EU the Magna-Guards energy staffs are made of Phrik, they are made of Phrik in the movie, otherwise they would have been sliced through.Thanx for the grammar lesson. No EU, pay attention to MVF rules.
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GR has not attacked an innocent, but the Jedi will not be considered innocent if they're actively trying to kill he and his comrades.They arent evil, he will realize this, and therefore wont be able to touch them. Ghost Rider HAS no comrades, he is a loner, dude.
Yes, they can push him away, but he'll keep coming back, really, what can a Jedi do to knock Wolverine unconscious?As I said, they can knock him out same as Magneto did, by hurling him into a tree or some shit.
Originally posted by Rogue JediDo I actually have to quote the thread starter a third time, just for you?
Anyone who brings anything other than what we see or is mentioned/implied in the movies is talking out of their ass.
And he's talking out of his ass because he's outright making shit up. Skywalker never demonstrated anything remotely comparable to the greatest feats of Dr. Strange, he certainly never created a black hole, etc.
Please, tell me all of these awesome speed feats you keep stating. And you're wrong, Callisto was fast enough to get to the top of a multi story building in seconds, so fast she was a blur, no movie jedi was ever that fast. And she can direct it at you, even directly from her hands.
And GR will have comrades since it will be Marvel against SW, Sith and Jedi will be against the entire Marvel team. And while Jedi might not be evil, actively trying to kill Ghost Rider and his comrades will constitute as a threat, a threat enough to fight back.
Also, they haven't shown enough strength to toss people with that amount of force into things hard enough to knock them unconcious
Let's be serious here; movie Jedi and Sith are still good enough to beat or at least incapacitate most of the X-Men, Spiderman, Ghost Rider, the Fantastic Four, and the Punisher and Daredevil with either telekinesis or lightning, but they still get utterly raped by Phoenix, Xavier, and obviously, the Silver Surfer. Those three make this a completely one-sided battle.
Sue Storms shields held up to Doom's lightning, which is obviously stronger than the Sith's since it put a hole in someone's chest, and displayed concussive force aspects.
I doubt lightning would prove much trouble for Thing, Juggs, Hulk, or Colossus.
The forcers have TK, but not on the level to utterly own them as some people think. They can hold heavey objects, and the most impressive display I saw was when Palpatine tossed the senate pods, his tk was at that level though, i will admit.
Spider-Man's speed and agility let's him fight on even ground, except he might fall victim to a saber slash.
Punisher has guns, many many big guns.
Most of the X-Men actually do good against the forcers. Shadowcat alone can phase them into a wall or the floor and turn them solid, instnatly crippling or killing them. And Kurt can port them several miles up, then leave them there. Etcetera....
Originally posted by Publius IIHey, I'm just stating forum rules.
Do I actually have to quote the thread starter a third time, just for you?And he's talking out of his ass because he's outright making shit up. Skywalker never demonstrated anything remotely comparable to the greatest feats of Dr. Strange, he certainly never created a black hole, etc.
Originally posted by Publius IIMhm....Especially Phoenix.
Let's be serious here; movie Jedi and Sith are still good enough to beat or at least incapacitate most of the X-Men, Spiderman, Ghost Rider, the Fantastic Four, and the Punisher and Daredevil with either telekinesis or lightning, but they still get utterly raped by Phoenix, Xavier, and obviously, the Silver Surfer. Those three make this a completely one-sided battle.
Originally posted by KingD19Telekinesis through the shield. With a visual aid, Vader could Force-choke someone on a different starship.
Sue Storms shields held up to Doom's lightning, which is obviously stronger than the Sith's since it put a hole in someone's chest, and displayed concussive force aspects.
I doubt lightning would prove much trouble for Thing, Juggs, Hulk, or Colossus.Movie-Thing isn't all that strong. Juggernaut could probably be held in place off the ground by telekinesis, they could run away from the Hulk all day - perhaps calm him with the Force as Anakin did to that animal in AotC, but that's speculation - and Colossus... well, he's probably one of those X-Men that the Jedi can't do much against.
The forcers have TK, but not on the level to utterly own them as some people think. They can hold heavey objects, and the most impressive display I saw was when Palpatine tossed the senate pods, his tk was at that level though, i will admit.The telepaths, rival telekinetics, and lone speedster are the only ones who'd have counters for it.
Spider-Man's speed and agility let's him fight on even ground, except he might fall victim to a saber slash.Telekinesis. What's he going to do?
Punisher has guns, many many big guns.And no defense against telekinesis.
Most of the X-Men actually do good against the forcers. Shadowcat alone can phase them into a wall or the floor and turn them solid, instnatly crippling or killing them.They could sense her through the Force, and have reflexes fast enough to block blaster bolts repeatedly; they could conceivably get away from her in time, although she may well take one or two down before they catch o.
And Kurt can port them several miles up, then leave them there. Etcetera....Kurt can be stopped by telekinesis, as demonstrated in X2. He'd also be limited by the Force-users' comparatively superior reflexes, as even the average-speed Jean Grey and Storm could 'catch' him.
Originally posted by PlacidityI assume you mean Human Torch. It's called Force-choke.
What a load of shit. Super Nova. What you gonna do?
Screw that. Sandman, what you gonna do?Depends on the environment. Two or three rockets from the Goblin fused chunks of him together and managed to incapacitate him. What do you think lightsabers are going to do?
Also, telekinesis. Pull him apart. If a guy on a flying skateboard with a couple of explosives and Spiderman could take him while fending off Venom, so could a few Jedi.
Screw that. Dark Phoenix, what you gonna do?Screw that, read. Also, stop triple posting.
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[...] but [Team SW] still get[s] utterly raped by Phoenix, Xavier, and obviously, the Silver Surfer. Those three make this a completely one-sided battle.
Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
Well, how did the humans figure it out?Lets see.......the force? TK?
See my answer to the lowermost quote.
Why not? It is metal, isnt it? Lightsaber pwns metal, doesnt it?
Wolverine is not unkillable. As far as Ghost Rider goes, I am assuming now it will be said that this battle is at night?
See my answer below.
Again I ask, do the Jedi have access to all of their weaponry and resources? Seems that the X Men do.
The humans only figured it out because they had (arguably) their greatest scientific mind on their planet analyzing his energy signatures with (arguably) the greatest scientific devices on their planet. Even after that it took multiple set-up points and building the devices. I think it's quite a stretch to say that the Force users will immediately identify this signal, especially with the rest of the Marvel team trying to engage them. Don't you think that's reasonable?
As far as the adamantium goes, as I addressed in one of my previous posts, X2 stated that adamantium was completely unbreakable after it had hardened. In PM, it took long, prolonged exposure to cut through the thick blast doors on the TF ship. I think it's fair to assume that a quick few swipes with a lightsaber will not cut through Wolverines skeleton. Knowing that, I would assume he could block a lightsaber with his claws and arms. This makes Lady Deathstrike and Wolverine more valuable in the fight.
Concerning Ghost Rider, is it just presumed he's not even in the fight then? I imagine since the OP stated all heroes and villains, the Ghost Rider would be an exception. I know it might be ridiculous to start making "exceptions," but surely he is intended to be in this fight as the Ghost Rider and not a regular human.
I don't believe any of this fight will be single combats. Teamwork should prevail for Marvel, even if it means 80% of them are decapitated by lightsabers at the end of the fight. Add an unlimited amount of Multiple Men and blanketing mental/area attacks and I believe Marvel have the edge without the Surfer.
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I would imagine the casings on the lightsabers are metal? If that's the case, Magneto blasts them all out of their hands at the beginning. I realize that they could simply force grab them back, but a cluster of lightsabers flying out of control, even for a moment, could be catostrophic for a few Jedi/Sith. I don't know much about the core/crystal/we of the lightsabers; would any of them go unstable or something of the sort if the metal casings holding them together were removed? If that worked, that'd be great.
I don't know what you're insinuating by saying that the X-Men have access to all their resources. The shields and barriers come from both Sue Storm and Iceman, which I think is a perfectly acceptable thing for them to set up for their leader at the beginning of the fight.