Maybe I'm missing something...
What is there to suggest that the Jedi/Sith could instantly identify and reproduce the exact frequency needed to remove the Silver Surfer from his board?
What is the Jedi/Sith defense against Storm and Human Torch blanketing the field with elemental attacks at the beginning of the fight?
Why would Professor Xavier have to get close to the Jedi/Sith, when he could be behind a shield/ice barrier erected by his team, or being constantly attended to by one of his teleporters/phasers?
What is the stance on adamantium? I don't believe the lightsabers are going to effect it, at least not in a swipe or two of a lightsaber.
How will the Sith/Jedi effect the 'unkillables' in the fight, such as Ghost Rider and Wolverine (if the above statement is true)?
I realize that blankets of area attacks and huge mental assaults might not take out fighters like Yoda and the Empreror, but why would that not eliminate all the smaller threats on the field, thus allowing the Marvel team to focus on the big hitters with superior numbers?
What is to stop the Silver Surfer from bringing his fallen commrades back into the fight after they've been "killed?"
I believe Marvel has superior ranged attacks, firepower, numbers, durability, and team training. The mental aspect is debateable I guess. Obviously most of the Jedi/Sith will have superior h2h skill and better h2h weapons, but that's all I can think of.
BTW here is a list of the Jedi shown in the movies.
OK here is the list of Jedi/Sith:
Obi-Wan Kenobi.....
Anakin Skywalker ......
Count Dooku / Darth Tyranus ......
Mace Windu .....
Yoda .....
Ki-Adi-Mundi ......
Jocasta Nu....
Plo Koon.....
Kit Fisto.....
Oppo Rancisis ......
Eeth Koth.....
Adi Gallia ......
Saesee Tiin ......
Even Piell ......
Depa Billaba .....
Aayla Secura ......
Barriss Offee......
Zett Jukassa.....
Joclad Danva …
Shaak Ti.....
Darth Maul…
Darth Vader…
Luke Skywalker…
Sio Bibble…
Luminari Unduli…
Darth Sidious…
Not to mention the great number of Jedi killed at Genosis.
ALSO....We go by what is shown AND said in the movies, yes?
Originally posted by MightyEInherjarWell, how did the humans figure it out?
Maybe I'm missing something...What is there to suggest that the Jedi/Sith could instantly identify and reproduce the exact frequency needed to remove the Silver Surfer from his board?
What is the Jedi/Sith defense against Storm and Human Torch blanketing the field with elemental attacks at the beginning of the fight?Lets see.......the force? TK?
Why would Professor Xavier have to get close to the Jedi/Sith, when he could be behind a shield/ice barrier erected by his team, or being constantly attended to by one of his teleporters/phasers?See my answer to the lowermost quote.
What is the stance on adamantium? I don't believe the lightsabers are going to effect it, at least not in a swipe or two of a lightsaber.Why not? It is metal, isnt it? Lightsaber pwns metal, doesnt it?
How will the Sith/Jedi effect the 'unkillables' in the fight, such as Ghost Rider and Wolverine (if the above statement is true)?Wolverine is not unkillable. As far as Ghost Rider goes, I am assuming now it will be said that this battle is at night?
I realize that blankets of area attacks and huge mental assaults might not take out fighters like Yoda and the Empreror, but why would that not eliminate all the smaller threats on the field, thus allowing the Marvel team to focus on the big hitters with superior numbers?See my answer below.
I believe Marvel has superior ranged attacks, firepower, numbers, durability, and team training. The mental aspect is debateable I guess. Obviously most of the Jedi/Sith will have superior h2h skill and better h2h weapons, but that's all I can think of.Again I ask, do the Jedi have access to all of their weaponry and resources? Seems that the X Men do.
In the movies, Jedi can't block natural lightning, which is upwards of
30,000 degrees Celsius, and travel at 60,000 mph, I would like to see anybody from the movie block that.
I would like to see them use tk to block lightning and fire and ice, I really would.
Ghost Rider can change in the presence of evil, if Palpatine ain't evil, then I guess GR is out of the fight.
By studying him, something the Jedi or Sith won't be able to do while they are in the middle of a fight.
As far as the movie shows, Wolverine is nigh-invulnerable, if not out right so, since Dark Phoenix tried to convert him to ash like the others, but he healed to rapidly for it to work.
And you're failing to mention all the metals lightsabers don't work against, cortosis, phrik, beskar, a few others. If it can't cut those metals, I think it can't cut adamantium.
Reed Richards, who happens to be one of the smartest (if not the) men on the planet deduced it might work and he built a device that produced a "tachyon pulse."
Let me guess, "The Force" will will know what to do and it will instantly build that same device or just go all 'tachyon' with itself.
BTW, if Palpatine is pure evil, then Ghost Rider will destroy him that much easier with his Penance Stare. Ghost Rider is also a magical/supernatural being, ergo, the Force might be null against him.
Originally posted by KingD19Well, a Jedi's precog will sense the impending danger and they can just force leap away from the lightning.
In the movies, Jedi can't block natural lightning, which is upwards of
30,000 degrees Celsius, and travel at 60,000 mph, I would like to see anybody from the movie block that.
I would like to see them use tk to block lightning and fire and ice, I really would.
Ghost Rider can change in the presence of evil, if Palpatine ain't evil, then I guess GR is out of the fight.Exactly, Ghost Rider against a Jedi is useless.
As far as the movie shows, Wolverine is nigh-invulnerable, if not out right so, since Dark Phoenix tried to convert him to ash like the others, but he healed to rapidly for it to work.OK lets PRETEND that a lightsaber wont cut adamantium (pure speculation). Force hold, force choke, dead Wolvie. Even Wolvie needs to breathe.And you're failing to mention all the metals lightsabers don't work against, cortosis, phrik, beskar, a few others. If it can't cut those metals, I think it can't cut adamantium.
cortosis, phrik, beskar? Are these MENTIONED in the movies? I mean is a Jedi SHOWN trying to cut through them and they say "Oh hell its cortosis, phrik, beskar?"
Originally posted by RobtardAnd Ghost Rider will be null against a Jedi, they arent evil.
Reed Richards, who happens to be one of the smartest (if not the) men on the planet deduced it might work and he built a device that produced a "tachyon pulse."Let me guess, "The Force" will will know what to do and it will instantly build that same device or just go all 'tachyon' with itself.
BTW, if Palpatine is pure evil, then Ghost Rider will destroy him that much easier with his Penance Stare. Ghost Rider is also a magical/supernatural being, ergo, the Force might be null against him.
Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
And Ghost Rider will be null against a Jedi, they arent evil.
That's okay, while he's making all the Sith lament over all the wrongs they've done in life, which I imagine is quit a few for most of them. All the other Marvel characters will be destroying the Jedi.
He also isn't useless against Jedi, he has powers, magical/supernatural powers, he's made up (at least in part) of 'hell fire', is superstrong, has insane levels of durability and can melt metal.
Tell me, can "the Force" affect magic and supernatural things, now?
Movie jedi can leap away from lightning travelling at 60,000 miles per hour?????? I call bullshit.
If they can block it, I wonder for how long? I'm pretty sure Iceman/Storm/Pyro/Torch can keep their powers going for a long time. Also, water is tangibel, you can touch water. You can't touch streaming cold or fire, those are ephemeral.
Obviously, you're forgetting Greivous' Magna Guards, the big robots with the pink tipped energy staffs. That's Phrik, look it up.
Ghost Rider will own any Sith, and if he can't Penance a jedi, he still has his chains, his hellfire, his hellfire shotgun, and his bike, and his strength and resistance to damage.
So you're saying Wolverine would have to fight a focused Dooku for him to get killed, because he's the only one who demonstrated holding people still. And the only one who demonstrated Choke was Anakin, so they would have to work together to kill Wolverine correct?
Originally posted by Robtard
Galactus destroys worlds, Palpatine has never shown this level of power.Wild assumptions, as Palpatine was raping Luke with his little lightning attack.
It's not directly discussed but Palpatine uses his power of the force to hold sway over the entire galaxy. He was powerful enough to hide his massive darkside power from the most powerful and force atuned Jedi in the galaxy even when standing right next to them. Thus his mind powers are far in excess of anything Xavier or Phoenix showed in the movies which were tiny and localised disturbances.
What is the Jedi/Sith defense against Storm and Human Torch blanketing the field with elemental attacks at the beginning of the fight?
There is much you see in the movies that the Jedi implement as force defence against elemental aspects...Do you seriously think 2 humans could fight over a river of lava and live without any sort of protection from the heat?...From earth based temperature reading of sink holes which have magma chambers in them you are talking about upwards of 1000 degrees centigrade....The force is the only explanation for Anakin and Obi-wan's survival during their duel.
In the movies, Jedi can't block natural lightning, which is upwards of 30,000 degrees Celsius, and travel at 60,000 mph, I would like to see anybody from the movie block that.
Where's the basis for that in the movies?
Reed Richards, who happens to be one of the smartest (if not the) men on the planet deduced it might work and he built a device that produced a "tachyon pulse."
Tachyon technology isn't something required to be made by a 1 off genius in star wars...It's standard technology.
for example.
http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/PA-9r_long_range_phased_tachyon_detection_array
Originally posted by KingD19
So you're saying Wolverine would have to fight a focused Dooku for him to get killed, because he's the only one who demonstrated holding people still. And the only one who demonstrated Choke was Anakin, so they would have to work together to kill Wolverine correct?
You forget that the Starwars fan boys REFUSE to recognize that the MOVIES and books are SEPARATE UNIVERSES.
Originally posted by KingD19So you're saying Wolverine would have to fight a focused Dooku for him to get killed, because he's the only one who demonstrated holding people still. And the only one who demonstrated Choke was Anakin, so they would have to work together to kill Wolverine correct?
Both Vader and Luke used choke in the movies. Vader against several of his officers and Luke when entering Jabba's palace with one of the guards at the gate.
Originally posted by jaden101
It's not directly discussed but Palpatine uses his power of the force to hold sway over the entire galaxy. He was powerful enough to hide his massive darkside power from the most powerful and force atuned Jedi in the galaxy even when standing right next to them. Thus his mind powers are far in excess of anything Xavier or Phoenix showed in the movies which were tiny and localised disturbances.Tachyon technology isn't something required to be made by a 1 off genius in star wars...It's standard technology.
for example.
http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/PA-9r_long_range_phased_tachyon_detection_array
Exactly, it's vague at best, he also used polical subterfuge to gain control and didn't just "The Force" everything. Also of note, blocking other Force-users from discovering he's a Sith isn't intrinsic with what Xavier's mind-powers are. Comparing apples to oranges.
Not that it takes a genius, just that the SW crew wouldn't have a way of just suddenly (aka "The Force pwns all"😉 making something like that up during the battle.
Obi-Wan and Anakin didn't die on Mustafar when they were battling over the lave because of the droids they were on, they were built to be shielded against intense heat. Seems you're forgetting that when anakin fell on the bank, he burst into flames.
But you're right, I forgot that Luke used the power as well, although it was still a simple choke, that anyone could easily walk up to you, and punch you in the face to stop.
And the link you used is from the expanded universe, and it's just a detector array, not capable of sending out a tachyon pulse on the same frequency of Surfer.
The basis for the ligtning for the movies is that Storm controls elements, electricity included, if she calls it down, it comes down at the velocity of natural lightning, since that is what it is.