Originally posted by GrieverSquall
[B]Eternal Recurrence restarts the Lower Domain from the Big Bang?
Do you know what the Eternal Recurrence is in the first place?
Yes. Because that's what it says.
Why are you posting all that unimportant information? I already posted the guide clearly stating Eternal Recurrence only effects the Lower Domain. It has absolutely no effect on the Upper Domain.
It starts the Lower Domain from the Big Bang. Fact. No mention at all of the Upper Domain being effected.
It says U-DO is not the least bit effected by the Lower Domain restarting. Fact.
Eternal Recurrence only effects the Lower Domain and the Lower Domain was made by the Big Bang.
Originally posted by Pyron_Knight
Why are you posting all that unimportant information?
Lmao, unimportant information? All of what I have posted is from the Perfect Guide itself, you must be joking.
Originally posted by Pyron_Knight
I already posted the guide clearly stating Eternal Recurrence only effects the Lower Domain. It has absolutely no effect on the Upper Domain.
Really? I've already posted statements from the Perfect Guide saying that the Upper/Lower Domains forms a single Universe. (Do I need to show you the image again?)
Originally posted by Pyron_Knight
It starts the Lower Domain from the Big Bang. Fact. No mention at all of the Upper Domain being effected.It says U-DO is not the least bit effected by the Lower Domain restarting. Fact.
Eternal Recurrence only effects the Lower Domain and the Lower Domain was made by the Big Bang.
The power of Anima is the power that "safely" eliminates only the lower domain -- the Dimensional Universe -- in order to avoid the worst-case situation where the entire universe would end up being allowed to collapse. In a manner of speaking, it is the function that completely deletes the Dimensional Universe. Fact.
U-DO has nothing to do with the Universe itself. He recides in the Upper Domain which form part of a single Universe, fact.
<<The Scattering of Consciousness and the Collapse of the Universe>>
Furthermore, the entire universe isn't something that consists of only the lower domain; it is something that includes the upper and lower domains. Fact.
Originally posted by Pyron_Knight
I actually won
Yes, a concession. Accepted.
You're not understanding me it seems.
I never said the entire Universe consisted of the Lower Domain. i said this and only this.
1. The Big Bang made the Lower Domain. That's it.
2. The Upper Domain is not effected by Eternal Recurrence.
3. The Lower Domain is universe-sized because it was made by the Big Bang.
That's it. Do you understand me now?
Lmao, unimportant information?
It's unimportant tot eh topic at hand. It had absolutely nothing to do with any of my points.
It seems that the one who doesn't understand is you here.
All of what you say here IS unimportant to the matter that the Xenosaga Universe is just one. A single Universe composed by Domains. The Lower Domain being: "Universe-sized" 'just cuz da big bang makes a universe' is something that came from your imagination and that's totally unrelated.
Do you understand me now?
No. Because you're not making any sense. A Big Bang makes universes. If the Lower Domain isn't a universe, it's the size of one. We further know this from the presence of all the galaxies within it.
So even if Xenosaga is just one Universe, it's bigger than a regular universe because there are multiple universe-sized dimensions within it.
Originally posted by Pyron_Knight
A Big Bang makes universes.
That's completely unrelated. So all the Domains were made by "Big Bangs" ?
Originally posted by Pyron_Knight
If the Lower Domain isn't a universe
Which is NOT an Universe. It's just a part of one.
Originally posted by Pyron_Knight
it's the size of one.
Really? So do you know exactly the size of an Universe? Are you a scientist or something? You're making things up.
Originally posted by Pyron_Knight
We further know this from the presence of all the galaxies within it.
A Domain is limited in space as I can see, the Universe itself is NOT. It can expand itself and be infinite.
Originally posted by Pyron_Knight
So even if Xenosaga is just one Universe
Yes, which IS a single Universe.
Originally posted by Pyron_Knight
it's bigger than a regular universe
Again, what's exactly the size of an Universe, God? I suppose you must know.
Originally posted by Pyron_Knight
there are multiple universe-sized dimensions within it.
You truly don't make any sense and at this rate you're not doing any favors to yourself.
"Multiple Universe-Sized dimensions"? You mean the Domains? So all of those: "Multiple Universe-Sized dimensions" were started by a "Big Bang" as well? I don't remember the Guide telling you that. Oh and Xenosaga is NOT Multiverse.
Griever, stop quoting things that don't need to be quoted. It's annoying.
"Multiple Universe-Sized dimensions"? You mean the Domains?
Yes.
So all of those: "Multiple Universe-Sized dimensions" were started by a "Big Bang" as well?
It would make sense. Since one Lower Domain was started with a Big Bang, no reason tot think the others weren't.
Oh and Xenosaga is NOT Multiverse.
No one said it was. Recently anyway.
Xenosaga is one very large universe.
Ultimecia and Exdeath will die. That's it.
Originally posted by GrieverSquall
I guess I should be concerned, if what you just said would make sense.As long as the Guide is Official... Who cares?
Huh? The Big Bang never created the multiverse? When did I said the Big Bang created the multiverse? Xenosaga is NOT multiverse anyway. I said the Big Bang created the the whole Universe and, obviously, their Domains as the image AND script states.
I know, the U.M.N.
All of what you mention: "Past, Present, Future, Alternate Time-Line, Other Consciousness, Memories" form part of an Universe, so I don't quite understand your reasoning here. What's your point?
my POINT is that "alternate timelines" by definition are different universes. and seeing as we have acces to them by the encephalon and they are explicitly stated to be real then it by default the reality of xenosaga is multiversal.
udo also exists outside the main multiverses so thats another dimension to consider.
and eternal recurrance does not happen for udo, it only happens in the lower domain, the only thing that DOES happen in the upper domain is that udo's "eyes in the lower domain{abel and abel;s ark} are sealed by zarathustra so he loses knowledge of the eternal recurrance occuring and doesnt try to stop it or rather is unable to stop it.
furthermore zarathustra was initially a tool to ascend to the higer domain which by some odd axioms wud make whoever occupied it, into a higher being.