Xenosaga vs. Final Fantasy

Originally posted by Luminatus
We've already establishes
So stop nitpicking.

You must be joking, YOU established it by yourself.

<<The Upper Domain and the Lower Domain>>
&#12288;&#12288;&#12288;&#12288;The given names "Upper" and "Lower" for the domains are nothing more than relative names. It is like how the third dimension is to the second, or how the fourth dimension is to the third. Each possess an individual time axis and space axis, but as a whole, they are elements that form one universe. In addition, it is unknown even whether or not the lower domain's concept of time exists in the upper domain in the first place. But regardless, although the existing role and function differ in each due to their difference in structure, the lower domain is indispensable for the upper, and the upper domain is necessary for the lower. This is because they form a single universe with both parts included. Therefore, the dysfunction and collapse of one will exert an effect on the other as well.
&#12288;&#12288;&#12288;&#12288;Also, "Dimensional Universe" is a term that refers to the lower domain.

Originally posted by Luminatus
The universe is the Lower Domain.

And the rest? What about the Upper Domain? It was started by a Big Bang too?

The Guide itself disagrees with you, not me.
Where's the Universe in that image? That Big Bang thing created the Universe, right?

The Zohar was already in existence from the time of this universe's birth, i.e. the Big Bang.

Look at the image.

Originally posted by Luminatus
it's universe sized and it's called the Dimensional Universe.

Yeah, in some "terms". But the whole Universe is the one in that image, i.e. read the quote.

Whatever. If the characters in the game feel fit to use the terms Lower Domain and universe interchangeably, I don't see why I can't.

But **** this. I'm bored and annoyed.

Originally posted by fascistcrusader
The Void isn't a place Wilhelm would get thrown into. The Void isn't just some empty plane, it's the opposite of existence, anything that is Voided is simply erased, there is nothing to dodge, nothing to avoid, just the target ceasing to exist. Exdeath used the Void to send some things to the rift, yes, but the rift is not the Void. Exdeath just thinks then Wilhelm is gone forever.

The Light Warriors were thrown in a Void and it proved to be a place. Exdeath himself was also sucked in the Void and reemerged as Neo Exdeath.

The light warriors were sent to the rift. Neo Exdeath was a creation of the Void itself to serve as an emissary. The Void can choose to use things it erases, but nothing can return from being erased on it's own. The Void is infinite in it's power, it exists simultaneously in multiple universes, it is beyond Wilhelm's power.

Originally posted by Luminatus
The universe is the Lower Domain. We've already establishes it's universe sized and it's called the Dimensional Universe.
So stop nitpicking.

@SpadeKing
they don't when they're put against several other existence destroyers with infinite power.

7? So far I have heard of one, who is supposed to be indestructable but not all existence destroyer

Chaos (Final Fantasy) can handle Xenosaga's universe alone.

so i guess most people dont know anything about xenosaga.

xenosaga verse is effectively a MULTIVERSE with infinite universes all connected through the encephalon.

lets see, there is the main universe, the imaginary universe, all the alternative universes connected by the encephalon and finally, the kicker, there is UDO. a being who is bigger than all the combined multiverses in the reality.

no way final fantasy can do anything to that.

btw, the guide isnt the best or most cannon place to start if you want to know about xenosaga. seeing as it wasnt written by the authors of the storyline. and made more complex by the fact that the writing team was changed after episode one came out. its a poor attempt to reconcile all the seeming contradictions in the series. the in game database is a much better place to start.

Originally posted by leonheartmm
btw, the guide isnt the best or most cannon place to start if you want to know about xenosaga.

What 'convenient'... An Official statement isn't 100% accurate now, funny.

Originally posted by leonheartmm
lets see, there is the main universe

Yes, this one.

Originally posted by leonheartmm
so i guess most people dont know anything about xenosaga

The same to most of people who knows nothing about Final Fantasy.

Originally posted by leonheartmm
xenosaga verse is effectively a MULTIVERSE with infinite universes

Evidence...? Proof?

Originally posted by leonheartmm
UDO. a being who is bigger than all the combined multiverses in the reality.

Huh? He recides in the Upper Domain, right? The Upper Domain form part of the Universe.

Originally posted by leonheartmm
seeing as it wasnt written by the authors of the storyline. and made more complex by the fact that the writing team was changed after episode one came out.

Definitely not interested in meaningless excuses.

Originally posted by leonheartmm
the in game database is a much better place to start.

That guide has much detailed information, if you ask me.

Originally posted by leonheartmm
the encephalon

The Encephalon is a massive, virtual reality world normally accessed through the assistance of special goggles.

Originally posted by GrieverSquall
What 'convenient'... An Official statement isn't 100% accurate now, funny.

Yes, this one.

The same to most of people who knows nothing about Final Fantasy.

Evidence...? Proof?

Huh? He recides in the Upper Domain, right? The Upper Domain form part of the Universe.

Definitely not interested in meaningless excuses.

That guide has much detailed information, if you ask me.

The Encephalon is a massive, virtual reality world normally accessed through the assistance of special goggles.

tell me, have you played the entire trilogy?

its not an official statement from the writers, just the company{the same company that fired the first writers and then forced the wrest to decrease it from 6-9 games down to just 3}. besides, its inconsistant withh events and the in game database{which is FAAAAR biggers}

no not that one

i know everything about xenogears /xenosaga and a lot of things about ff 2/6/7/8/9/10.

evidence? encephalon

lmao, no. the lower domain's existance is defied by the collective unconcious which according to its WILL TO POWER holds up the lower domain and defines its traits. this collective however is fragmented and not satisfied and hence immensely inferior to the upper domain being udo, who is a single unified conciuosness and far greater than the lower domain multiverse

roflmao!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! virtual reality???? ok now i know u havent played the games or read the game database. the encephalon is a portal into imaginary space from where one can ACTUALLY acces past/present/future/imaginary space/alternate timeline. it is very explicitly stated that everything in the encephalon is REAL. evidence by the fact that the REAL zohar was extracted in the main universe by going back in time with the new coordinates from the y data in the encephalon and retriving it from an alternate reality where it was lost in the abyss.

similarly two shins in shion's imaginary space were able to change events in the past altering history and summoning abel's ark in the real time axis

honestly i have to ask{and im not trying to be insulting} but have u actually PLAYED xenosaga or have u just read that guide???

Originally posted by leonheartmm
tell me, have you played the entire trilogy?

Yes.

Originally posted by leonheartmm
its not an official statement from the writers, just the company{the same company that fired the first writers and then forced the wrest to decrease it from 6-9 games down to just 3}. besides, its inconsistant withh events and the in game database{which is FAAAAR biggers}

It is NOT an Official statement? What's that, then? A Fan-made Guide? What are you talking about? What do you mean by they fired those writers? As long as that Guide is OFFICIAL, I don't care if they fired people, that's irrelevant, it's like saying the Final Fantasy Ultimania Omega isn't accurate just because wasn't written by some of the original developers. Absurd.

Originally posted by leonheartmm
i know everything about xenogears /xenosaga and a lot of things about ff 2/6/7/8/9/10.

Good for you, most of people here don't know anything and write stuff because they do have fingers.

Originally posted by leonheartmm
evidence? encephalon

Oh, thank you very much for that big lecture of evidence...

Originally posted by leonheartmm
lmao, no. the lower domain's existance is defied by the collective unconcious which according to its WILL TO POWER holds up the lower domain and defines its traits. this collective however is fragmented and not satisfied and hence immensely inferior to the upper domain being udo, who is a single unified conciuosness and far greater than the lower domain multiverse

Lower Domain multiverse you said? So the Lower Domain is multiverse? Huh? That Big Bang thing has created the Universe, the one called Universe is the one in that image, thus the Big Bang created the whole Universe, not any of it Domains.

Originally posted by leonheartmm
roflmao!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! virtual reality???? ok now i know u havent played the games or read the game database. the encephalon is a portal into imaginary space from where one can ACTUALLY acces past/present/future/imaginary space/alternate timeline. it is very explicitly stated that everything in the encephalon is REAL. evidence by the fact that the REAL zohar was extracted in the main universe by going back in time with the new coordinates from the y data in the encephalon and retriving it from an alternate reality where it was lost in the abyss.

similarly two shins in shion's imaginary space were able to change events in the past altering history and summoning abel's ark in the real time axis.

I've played the three games. The Encephalon is a portal into imaginary space? I remember the crew going into MOMO's mind in Episode II. Ok, now acknowledging all of what you said, how does that changes the fact about the Universe itself?

Originally posted by leonheartmm
honestly i have to ask{and im not trying to be insulting} but have u actually PLAYED xenosaga or have u just read that guide???

I repeat, I have played the three games AND I'm reading the Guide.

you shud be concerned, because otherwise your left with holes in the plot. the writers are the uthority not the company.

the big bang never created the multiverse, it was always wilhelm, using zarathustra to eternally RECUR the universe before the last one came to its end because of chaos's anima. and nothing created udo, it was always there.

the encephalon is a portal in the unus mundus collective unconciounse network for the MIND which is part of the imaginary domain to connect to all parts of reality that the collective unconcious has created{which is everything other than udo}, which includes past/present/future/alternate timeline/other conciousnesses/memories etc. and the database clearly says that the bias of REAL or alternate is completely subjective and that all realities exists equally.

Originally posted by leonheartmm
you shud be concerned, because otherwise your left with holes in the plot.

I guess I should be concerned, if what you just said would make sense.

Originally posted by leonheartmm
the writers are the uthority not the company.

As long as the Guide is Official... Who cares?

Originally posted by leonheartmm
the big bang never created the multiverse

Huh? The Big Bang never created the multiverse? When did I said the Big Bang created the multiverse? Xenosaga is NOT multiverse anyway. I said the Big Bang created the the whole Universe and, obviously, their Domains as the image AND script states.

Originally posted by leonheartmm
the encephalon is a portal in the unus mundus collective unconciounse network for the MIND which is part of the imaginary domain to connect to all parts of reality that the collective unconcious has created{which is everything other than udo}, which includes past/present/future/alternate timeline/other conciousnesses/memories etc. and the database clearly says that the bias of REAL or alternate is completely subjective and that all realities exists equally.

I know, the U.M.N.
All of what you mention: "Past, Present, Future, Alternate Time-Line, Other Consciousness, Memories" form part of an Universe, so I don't quite understand your reasoning here. What's your point?

The Big Bang made the Lower Domain. That much is directly stated and it makes sense the Lower Domain is the future of our universe and we were made by a Big Bang.
And yes, it is a universe just not THE Universe. (in caps)
universe = Dimensional Universe = Lower Domain
Universe = All planes of existence in Xenosaga.

Anyway, leon is always wrong. Just ignore him. He outright rejects all facts and logic.

Originally posted by Luminatus
The Big Bang made the Lower Domain.

'The upper and lower domains are each but one of the elements that make up the universe.'

'The given names "Upper" and "Lower" for the domains are nothing more than relative names.'

'This is because they form a single universe with both parts included.'

it is thought that the Failsafe is the system that keeps a problem produced in one section of the universe from spreading its ill-effects to all the world.
&#12288;&#12288;&#12288;&#12288;If that's the case, then it is thought that the function of the universe's Failsafe is something for the sake of avoiding the collapse of the entire universe, including both upper and lower domains.

Enough? Yes, I guess.

Originally posted by Luminatus
That much is directly stated

No, it isn't.

Originally posted by Luminatus
the Lower Domain is the future of our universe

I guess that theory doesn't work anymore.

Originally posted by Luminatus
we were made by a Big Bang.

I don't believe in the Big Bang.

Originally posted by Luminatus
universe = Dimensional Universe = Lower Domain

Big Bang = Universe = Lower/Upper Domains.

Originally posted by Luminatus
Universe = All planes of existence in Xenosaga.

I agree, including the Upper and Lower Domains that forms a single Universe.

Originally posted by Luminatus
Anyway, leon

Who's Leon? I suppose that's me, right?

Originally posted by Luminatus
is always wrong.

Says the guy who has been owned in every thread I have read so far? Says the guy who needs fake/duplicate accounts to be able to defeat his opponents in a debate/discussion? Hmm... Interesting.

Originally posted by Luminatus
He got all facts and logic.

Indeed.

Don't let him get to you, Griever. He's a sock of the banned member Shin Nikkolas, who was banned temporarily for flaming everytime he was proven wrong, which was a lot, then was banned permanently when he was revealed to be a pedophile. He's not worth talking to, much less debating with.

Nice past...

Anyway, I suppose you're right, Fascist. It is not worth my time.

Oh fascist. I might not be this Nikkolas person but I've been here long enough to know you're an absolutely worthless member. No one here respects or likes you in the least because you're first a complete moron and second a complete troll.

Let's all remember great topics like this.
http://www.killermovies.com/forums/showthread.php?threadid=490886&pagenumber=1

Let's look at your insightul reasons for why Sephiroth wins....
"I'm afraid not, sport. The fact is that Sephiroth has never been shown using more than .05% of his strength, and even that rivals Pyron's full power. Sephiroth slaughters him, sorry champ. : ("

"Silly Darkstalkers fanboys, characters from that game just aren't very strong."

"Pyron, on the other hand, doesn't want to torment count chocula, yet he still loses to him. He can't beat a guy who is hurt by simple sunlight, much less a god like being."

Nothing more needs to be said. You're the forum clown so dance and make us laugh. Don't try to think. It looks like it hurts.

Now onto other posters.

No, it isn't.

I've shown you the quotes four times now.

Maybe you need a screenshot.

I accept your concession.

Says the guy who has been owned in every thread I have read so far? Says

Shut up newbie. You're listening to fascistcrusader. THat's the lowest of the low friend.

Really people. You guys should chillax.

Me: The Big Bang made the Lower Domain.

Dimensional Universe = Lower Domain.'

And as seen in my very first pic, Eternal Recurrence ONLY effects the Lower Domain which means the Big Bang only created the Lower Domain. it did not make the entire Xenosaga Universe.

Thank you and good night.

Eternal Recurrence restarts the Lower Domain from the Big Bang?
Do you know what the Eternal Recurrence is in the first place?

'The upper and lower domains are each but one of the elements that make up the universe.'

Each possess an individual time axis and space axis, but as a whole, they are elements that form one universe.

This one:

This is because they form a single universe with both parts included.

The one from above.

"Dimensional Universe" is a term that refers to the lower domain.

Right, a "term".

If that's the case, then it is thought that the function of the universe's Failsafe is something for the sake of avoiding the collapse of the entire universe, including both upper and lower domains.

Furthermore, the entire universe isn't something that consists of only the lower domain; it is something that includes the upper and lower domains. And so, the collapse of one domain exerts an effect onto other domains. Which means: the collapse of the imaginary number domain in the lower domain causes the collapse of the real number domain in the lower domain, so that there is the possibility that the resulting collapse of the entire lower domain will also cause even the upper domain to collapse. That is the spread of the collapsing energy.
&#12288;&#12288;&#12288;&#12288;This is the worse-case scenario of the "Collapse of the Universe". The collapse of the universe doesn't just mean only the spatial-universe {'outer space'} that can be recognized in the real domain; it also involves the upper domain. It means the destruction of all existence.

Universe's birth i.e. Big Bang

[i]Originally posted by Pyron_Knight
Accept my concession

Accepted.