Xenosaga vs. Final Fantasy

Originally posted by Pyron_Knight
Griever, stop quoting things that don't need to be quoted. It's annoying.

Of course they need to be quoted, I need you to explain all the nonsense you are babbling about.

Originally posted by Pyron_Knight
Yes.

Yes? I'm afraid you have nothing to back that claim.

Originally posted by Pyron_Knight
It would make sense.

So isn't true, it 'would' make sense, but it doesn't.

Originally posted by Pyron_Knight
Since one Lower Domain was started with a Big Bang, no reason tot think the others weren't.

No reason to think they were either, taking in consideration that the game itself and Guide doesn't say anything of that and you're making things up.

Originally posted by Pyron_Knight
Xenosaga is one very large universe.

A large Universe? That's unrelated like saying that the Lower Domain is Universe-Sized, unrelated.

Originally posted by leonheartmm
my POINT is that "alternate timelines" by definition are different universes. and seeing as we have acces to them by the encephalon and they are explicitly stated to be real then it by default the reality of xenosaga is multiversal.

By definition of who? By your definition? Xenosaga is NOT multiversal, the Encephalon has nothing do to with the entire Universe itself.

Originally posted by leonheartmm
udo also exists outside the main multiverses so thats another dimension to consider.

Is NOT multiverse. Diferent dimensions are a thing, different Universes are another.

Originally posted by leonheartmm
and eternal recurrance does not happen for udo, it only happens in the lower domain, the only thing that DOES happen in the upper domain is that udo's "eyes in the lower domain{abel and abel;s ark} are sealed by zarathustra so he loses knowledge of the eternal recurrance occuring and doesnt try to stop it or rather is unable to stop it.

furthermore zarathustra was initially a tool to ascend to the higer domain which by some odd axioms wud make whoever occupied it, into a higher being.

Yes, the fact is that both Upper/Lower Domains ARE part of a single Universe though. All of what you mention there happens in the entire Universe itself, not ouside of it.

Originally posted by GrieverSquall
Of course they need to be quoted, I need you to explain all the nonsense you are babbling about.

Yes? I'm afraid you have nothing to back that claim.

So isn't true, it 'would' make sense, but it doesn't.

No reason to think they were either, taking in consideration that the game itself and Guide doesn't say anything of that and you're making things up.

A large Universe? That's unrelated like saying that the Lower Domain is Universe-Sized, unrelated.

By definition of who? By your definition? Xenosaga is NOT multiversal, the Encephalon has nothing do to with the entire Universe itself.

Is NOT multiverse. Diferent dimensions are a thing, different Universes are another.

Yes, the fact is that both Upper/Lower Domains ARE part of a single Universe though. All of what you mention there happens in the entire Universe itself, not ouside of it.

by the definition of TIMELINE. tell me sumthing, how can a SINGLE universe have different pasts presents and futures? it CANT. thas literally the definition of a multiverse, limitless universes all having a different TIMELINE and laws of physics existing in parallel.

also, xenosaga likes to take a lot of things literally from contemporary science as the in game database says. the idea of TIMELINES connected by "imaginary time axis" is actually the REAL idea of stephen hawking's version of the multiverse used in much of physics, and guess what the in game database mentions stephen hawking too. so again, not MY definition by the worldy and in game definition of such terms. the encephelon is a gateway to the multiverse among other things.

xenosagaverse ALWAYS was a multiverse. no two ways about it.

and the upper domain ISNT part of the universe, seeing as it isnt effected by eternal recurrance. the database specifically states that eternal recurrance restarts the UNIVERSE. and that the power of anima will eventually lead to the heat death of the universe. so no, upper domain is sumthing else. its the realm of god.

Originally posted by leonheartmm
by the definition of TIMELINE. tell me sumthing, how can a SINGLE universe have different pasts presents and futures? it CANT

Timeline in the Lower Domain you mean, no in the entire Universe.

Originally posted by leonheartmm
thas literally the definition of a multiverse, limitless universes all having a different TIMELINE and laws of physics existing in parallel.

No, that isn't a definition of Mutiverse because Xenosaga is NOT Mutiverse, how come you deny this?

Originally posted by leonheartmm
xenosaga likes to take a lot of things literally from contemporary science as the in game database says.

But I suppose that don't deny the fact that the Domains form a single Universe.

Originally posted by leonheartmm
the idea of TIMELINES connected by "imaginary time axis" is actually the REAL idea of stephen hawking's version of the multiverse used in much of physics, and guess what the in game database mentions stephen hawking too.

Read: The given names "Upper" and "Lower" for the domains are nothing more than relative names. It is like how the third dimension is to the second, or how the fourth dimension is to the third. Each possess an individual time axis and space axis, but as a whole, they are elements that form one universe.

Originally posted by leonheartmm
the encephelon is a gateway to the multiverse among other things.

The Encephalon has nothing to do with the entire Universe itself, you are simply wrong and repeating the same won't make your argument more logical than before.

This is what you have posted before:

Originally posted by leonheartmm
the encephalon is a portal in the unus mundus collective unconciounse network for the MIND which is part of the imaginary domain to connect to all parts of reality that the collective unconcious has created{which is everything other than udo}, which includes past/present/future/alternate timeline/other conciousnesses/memories etc.

As you can see all the elements included such as: 'Past/Present/Future/Alternate Timeline/Other Conciousnesses/Memories etc.' can easily exist in the Dimensional Universe as you suggest, nothing says about the entire Universe (which is formed by Upper/Lower Domains).

Originally posted by leonheartmm
xenosagaverse ALWAYS was a multiverse.

Xenosagaverse? Lmao.
Xenosaga was never multiverse because it is NOT multiverse at all, ALL the existence including U-DO can't affect anything outside the entire Universe.

Originally posted by leonheartmm
and the upper domain ISNT part of the universe.

The given names "Upper" and "Lower" for the domains are nothing more than relative names. It is like how the third dimension is to the second, or how the fourth dimension is to the third. Each possess an individual time axis and space axis, but as a whole, they are elements that form one universe.

The upper and lower domains are each but one of the elements that make up the universe.

Furthermore, the entire universe isn't something that consists of only the lower domain; it is something that includes the upper and lower domains.

Originally posted by leonheartmm
the database specifically states that eternal recurrance restarts the UNIVERSE

From the Big Bang which created the Lower Domain, which form part of the entire Universe, thus that has nothing to do outside the Universe whatsoever.

Xenosaga wins.

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Originally posted by GrieverSquall
Timeline in the Lower Domain you mean, no in the entire Universe.

No, that isn't a definition of Mutiverse because Xenosaga is NOT Mutiverse, how come you deny this?

But I suppose that don't deny the fact that the Domains form a single Universe.

Read: [b]The given names "Upper" and "Lower" for the domains are nothing more than relative names. It is like how the third dimension is to the second, or how the fourth dimension is to the third. Each possess an individual time axis and space axis, but as a whole, they are elements that form one universe.

The Encephalon has nothing to do with the entire Universe itself, you are simply wrong and repeating the same won't make your argument more logical than before.

This is what you have posted before:

As you can see all the elements included such as: 'Past/Present/Future/Alternate Timeline/Other Conciousnesses/Memories etc.' can easily exist in the Dimensional Universe as you suggest, nothing says about the entire Universe (which is formed by Upper/Lower Domains).

Xenosagaverse? Lmao.
Xenosaga was never multiverse because it is NOT multiverse at all, ALL the existence including U-DO can't affect anything outside the entire Universe.

The given names "Upper" and "Lower" for the domains are nothing more than relative names. It is like how the third dimension is to the second, or how the fourth dimension is to the third. Each possess an individual time axis and space axis, but as a whole, they are elements that form one universe.

The upper and lower domains are each but one of the elements that make up the universe.

Furthermore, the entire universe isn't something that consists of only the lower domain; it is something that includes the upper and lower domains.

From the Big Bang which created the Lower Domain, which form part of the entire Universe, thus that has nothing to do outside the Universe whatsoever. [/B]

timeline=universe

falsified circular argument

yes it does, by definition

reading from the falsified guide wont get u anywhere. ud know this if u played the game. the in game database is the only cannon

false. it connects timelines which are alternate universes by definition

unfalsifiable rant

fallacious quote from an uncannon and contradictory guide. contradicted directly by in game evidene which is already given

there was no big bang that is the entire idea of eternal recurrance, the universe is continuously brought to its intial state already existing by zarathustra.

now be honest, u havent really played all of xenosaga have u?

Hey leon, chaos wasn't Jesus. The game itself shows that very clearly.

Originally posted by leonheartmm
timeline=universe

Upper/Lower Domains = Entire Universe.

Originally posted by leonheartmm
falsified circular argument

What are you trying to say here? You don't make sense anymore.

Originally posted by leonheartmm
yes it does, by definition

I'm afraid it doesn't. You have been proven wrong, get over it.

Originally posted by leonheartmm
reading from the falsified guide

Now is a FALSE Guide?! 😆

Originally posted by leonheartmm
wont get u anywhere

You won't get your head anywhere if you keep doing random claims.

Originally posted by leonheartmm
ud know this if u played the game.

Which I did.

Originally posted by leonheartmm
the in game database is the only cannon

As far as I know the Perfect Guide it is too.

Originally posted by leonheartmm
false. it connects timelines which are alternate universes by definition

True. It connects different Time-Lines in the Lower Domain that forms part of the Entire Universe. Fact.

Originally posted by leonheartmm
unfalsifiable rant

Don't be angry because you're wrong, in a debate you MUST accept your mistakes and move forward.

Originally posted by leonheartmm
fallacious quote from an uncannon and contradictory guide

Thus the entire Perfect Guide is FALLACIOUS?! What have you been smoke?!

Originally posted by leonheartmm
contradicted directly by in game evidene which is already given

Oh My God... Now what? Now the Guide itself is contradictory? What the hell are you talking about? You need a reality check.

Originally posted by leonheartmm
there was no big bang that is the entire idea of eternal recurrance, the universe is continuously brought to its intial state already existing by zarathustra.

Whatever about the Big Bang, then? So, I suppose that changes the very fact about the Upper/Lower Domains being part of the entire Universe? Does it change that fact? No.

Originally posted by leonheartmm
now be honest, u havent really played all of xenosaga have u?

Now be honest, are you blind and unbeliever? What part of 'I have played the three games' you do not understand?

Originally posted by leonheartmm
chaos wasn't Jesus.

About what Chaos are you talking about? What are you trying to say now?

I was reminding leon he is often very wrong about Xenosaga.

Originally posted by GrieverSquall
Upper/Lower Domains = Entire Universe.

What are you trying to say here? You don't make sense anymore.

I'm afraid it doesn't. You have been proven wrong, get over it.

Now is a FALSE Guide?! 😆

You won't get your head anywhere if you keep doing random claims.

Which I did.

As far as I know the Perfect Guide it is too.

True. It connects different Time-Lines in the Lower Domain that forms part of the Entire Universe. Fact.

Don't be angry because you're wrong, in a debate you MUST accept your mistakes and move forward.

Thus the entire Perfect Guide is FALLACIOUS?! What have you been smoke?!

Oh My God... Now what? Now the Guide itself is contradictory? What the hell are you talking about? You need a reality check.

Whatever about the Big Bang, then? So, I suppose that changes the very fact about the Upper/Lower Domains being part of the entire Universe? Does it change that fact? No.

Now be honest, are you blind and unbeliever? What part of [b]'I have played the three games' you do not understand?

About what Chaos are you talking about? What are you trying to say now? [/B]

repeating a circularity does make it any more true

claiming means nothing. the definitio of the word proves u wrong. how bout giving sum evidence for a change

yes it is, it contradicts in game events and database.

no you havent, ur entire argument points towards u having read the post game guide for the sake of arguing while knowing little to nothing about the game itself. remember, ur the guy who said chaos vincent can solo xenosagaverse

perfect guide isnt cannon any more than the marvel handbook is cannon. only the in game/comic medium is cannon.

how can a single universe have different timelines? the very definition of a UNIverse is one that has a single history and physical constants.

u shud heed ur own advice then

most of it is yes

so then u admit u havent played the games by not knowing there was never a big bang, lol. no it doesnt, it merely shows how little you know about the actual game

the part where ur lying

that isnt my quote as ur post suggest, thats pyron. and hes wrong. the game is full of gnostic influences. in gnosticism, jesus is two beins, the human jesus and the divine aeon jesus{the one who can do miracles}. chaos is the divine aeon jesus. his real name is yeshua, which is the actual name of JESUS CHRIST. and the INGAME DATABASE mentions this too, that his name is the name of he messiah. it also mentions that lemegeton are the actual words that chaos spoke{u have to finish the third game and restart which gives u the final update on the database to find this out} . the historical figure who chaos and mary are seen listening to is the HUMAN jesus, in whose place chaos did miracles.

furthermore the concept of udo as a tyrranical god of the old testament and jesus representing the actual higher god of benevolance is consistant with gnosticism.

The creators said one universe, therefore there is just one universe. That's a simple truth that cannot be argued against, anymore than you can argue that dumbledore is straight.

My two cents:

As far as any handbook or guide goes, it is NOT canon. When dealing with games, only in-game references and manual references are canon, not some 13-year late guide book. That's my opinion, anyway.

Originally posted by leonheartmm
repeating a circularity does make it any more true

Exactly, but that's what YOU'RE doing! 🙂 It would be true if what you're saying was true.

Originally posted by leonheartmm
claiming means nothing. the definitio of the word proves u wrong. how bout giving sum evidence for a change

Huh? You are claiming an argument for your own stance and now claims means nothing? Seriously... Are you ok? You have a good portion of good pages full of evidence, mate. Denying facts won't make them go away, you know.

Originally posted by leonheartmm
yes it is, it contradicts in game events and database.

I'm not talking about any game events here, I'm talking about the fact about the Universe itself, which is FACT. But you, trying to deny that is like denying that the Sky is Blue when is a fact that is Blue.

Originally posted by leonheartmm
no you havent, ur entire argument points towards u having read the post game guide for the sake of arguing while knowing little to nothing about the game itself.

You haven't. You entire argument is denying a single very fact from the story-line, which is even worst. I told you I have played the games, that doesn't change that other fact, right? Exactly, it doesn't.

Originally posted by leonheartmm
remember, ur the guy who said chaos vincent can solo xenosagaverse.

When did I said that Chaos Vincent can solo? What the hell are you talking about? I said Chaos from Dissidia: Final Fantasy can solos.

Xenosagaverse? Lmao.

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Originally posted by leonheartmm
repeating a circularity does make it any more true

Originally posted by leonheartmm
perfect guide isnt cannon any more than the marvel handbook is cannon. only the in game/comic medium is cannon.

You are putting a lot of irrelevant/nonsense information here by saying that the Perfect Guide is non-canon. Bringing random examples like Marvel which has nothing to do with the current topic at hand won't help you, I'm afraid.

Originally posted by leonheartmm
how can a single universe have different timelines? the very definition of a UNIverse is one that has a single history and physical constants.

Why they refers as the: 'Dimensional Universe' when talking about the Lower Domain? IT MUST be for a sole reason, yes, the one you're speaking off. But guess what, that still won't change the fact about the ENTIRE Universe itself which is what concerns here.

Originally posted by leonheartmm
u shud heed ur own advice then

I don't care about 'advices', I care about facts.

Originally posted by leonheartmm
most of it is yes

I'd say all of it.

Originally posted by leonheartmm
so then u admit u havent played the games by not knowing there was never a big bang, lol.

No, I don't admit that, I've played the trilogy, yes, you are an unbeliever, too bad. When did I say such thing? I said: 'Whatever about the Big Bang, then?' Because you've said: 'there was no big bang'I'm ASKING here, asking as a result of your incoherent rant.

Originally posted by leonheartmm
no it doesnt, it merely shows how little you know about the actual game

I can know a: 'little' as you said, but that won't make it go away the fact you very well know.

Originally posted by leonheartmm
that isnt my quote as ur post suggest, thats pyron. and hes wrong.

Yes, my bad there.

Originally posted by leonheartmm
the part where ur lying

Are you calling me a liar? What are those manners? Behave yourself.

Originally posted by leonheartmm
the game is full of gnostic influences. in gnosticism, jesus is two beins, the human jesus and the divine aeon jesus{the one who can do miracles}. chaos is the divine aeon jesus. his real name is yeshua, which is the actual name of JESUS CHRIST. and the INGAME DATABASE mentions this too, that his name is the name of he messiah. it also mentions that lemegeton are the actual words that chaos spoke{u have to finish the third game and restart which gives u the final update on the database to find this out} . the historical figure who chaos and mary are seen listening to is the HUMAN jesus, in whose place chaos did miracles.

furthermore the concept of udo as a tyrranical god of the old testament and jesus representing the actual higher god of benevolance is consistant with gnosticism.

Wow... Indeed you must know a lot about Xenosaga, a lot more than me yes of course. It's sad that even laying all of that won't change the fact... 🙁

Originally posted by facsistcrusader
The creators said one universe, therefore there is just one universe. That's a simple truth that cannot be argued against, anymore than you can argue that dumbledore is straight.

Indeed, but it's hard to make kids to understand that a statement is fact.

Originally posted by GrieverSquall
Exactly, but that's what YOU'RE doing! 🙂 It would be true if what you're saying was true.

Huh? You are claiming an argument for your own stance and now claims means nothing? Seriously... Are you ok? You have a good portion of good pages full of evidence, mate. Denying facts won't make them go away, you know.

I'm not talking about any game events here, I'm talking about the fact about the Universe itself, which is FACT. But you, trying to deny that is like denying that the Sky is Blue when is a fact that is Blue.

You haven't. You entire argument is denying a single very fact from the story-line, which is even worst. I told you I have played the games, that doesn't change that other fact, right? Exactly, it doesn't.

When did I said that Chaos Vincent can solo? What the hell are you talking about? I said Chaos from Dissidia: Final Fantasy can solos.

Xenosagaverse? Lmao.

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You are putting a lot of irrelevant/nonsense information here by saying that the Perfect Guide is non-canon. Bringing random examples like Marvel which has nothing to do with the current topic at hand won't help you, I'm afraid.

Why they refers as the: 'Dimensional Universe' when talking about the Lower Domain? IT MUST be for a sole reason, yes, the one you're speaking off. But guess what, that still won't change the fact about the ENTIRE Universe itself which is what concerns here.

I don't care about 'advices', I care about facts.

I'd say all of it.

No, I don't admit that, I've played the trilogy, yes, you are an unbeliever, too bad. When did I say such thing? I said: 'Whatever about the Big Bang, then?' Because you've said: 'there was no big bang'I'm ASKING here, asking as a result of your incoherent rant.

I can know a: 'little' as you said, but that won't make it go away the fact you very well know.

Yes, my bad there.

Are you calling me a liar? What are those manners? Behave yourself.

Wow... Indeed you must know a lot about Xenosaga, a lot more than me yes of course. It's sad that even laying all of that won't change the fact... 🙁

Indeed, but it's hard to make kids to understand that a statement is fact.

no im not im referring to quotes from the in game database and in game events which is the exact opposite.

im backing my argument with references, thats the difference.

how can sumthing be a FACT when its not alluded to in the medium itself? cricularity much?

you havent quoted any FACTS from the storyline, uve just quoted from the producing company's non cannon guide.

my bad

its not a random examples. guides are uncannon, created by the companies and not the writers. the perfect guide has even less credeibility than the marvel handbook. dont try to dismiss valid critcisms as useless.

again, how can a UNIverse have more than one histories. by definition that wud make it a multiverse.

no u dont, u care about ur ego.

if uve played the trilogy then why didnt u know that there was no big bang. considering everythign else ive seen here, uve only read the perfect guide in an attempt to put down people in xenosaga vs debates. it isnt very different from what fans in the comic book versus forum do.

im not insulting u, just saying that ur making fallacious claims.

which is??????? lmao. how can sum1 who hasnt played the game know anything about "facts"?

lmao. how old r u?

Originally posted by leonheartmm
no im not im referring to quotes from the in game database and in game events which is the exact opposite.

Opposite of what?

Originally posted by leonheartmm
im backing my argument with references

No, you don't. You can't back a claim that is already backed-up by the Perfect Guide itself.

Originally posted by leonheartmm
thats the difference.

That's the difference in being stubborn like you are.

Originally posted by leonheartmm
how can sumthing be a FACT when its not alluded to in the medium itself?

You called the Perfect Guide fallacious by calling me fallacious. You are making the Xenosaga fans look REALLY bad.

Originally posted by leonheartmm
cricularity much?

Huh? It seems you are quite obsessed about: 'circularity'. You sir, have no place here to use such words when you're denying Official statements, you're losing your time here.

Originally posted by leonheartmm
you havent quoted any FACTS from the storyline

Why should I need a quote from the game? Isn't sufficient to read an Official Guide that states that the Upper/Lower Domains forms part of ONE Universe? Stop smoking weird things and pay attention to the facts. Your quotes from the game are meaningless in this case.

Originally posted by leonheartmm
uve just quoted from the producing company's non cannon guide.

Non-Canon Guide? Are you serious?! You don't even have the authority to call an Official source non-canon nor you can't back that is non-canon, because you're just a fan and IS canonical.

Originally posted by leonheartmm
its not a random examples.

Indeed, is MORE than that, is irrelevant.

Originally posted by leonheartmm
guides are uncannon, created by the companies and not the writers.

Therefore the Final Fantasy Ultimania Guides (as far as your retarded logic goes) are also non-canon? The Perfect Guide is an Official source with Official statements and detailed information about the game's plot. Warn me when you stop your ranting.

Originally posted by leonheartmm
the perfect guide has even less credeibility than the marvel handbook.

And you have less credibility than a bunch of kids saying that Santa Claus exist calling yourself a non-canon-fallacious guide to the Perfect Guide which you have NO evidence of what you're saying AT ALL.

Originally posted by leonheartmm
dont try to dismiss valid critcisms as useless.

Valid criticisms about what? What are you talking about? You are making no sense with anything you just lay here.

Originally posted by leonheartmm
how can a UNIverse have more than one histories. by definition that wud make it a multiverse.

You don't said anything about: 'histories' before, that has been added up now. You said: "past/present/future/alternate timeline/other conciousnesses/memories etc."NOT histories. All of those elements are part of the Lower Domain, NOT from the entire Universe. The Encephalon has nothing to do with the entire Universe itself, just get over it, Xenosaga is not multiverse, different dimensions doesn't means different Universes.

Originally posted by leonheartmm
no u dont, u care about ur ego.

Lol? You're being childish. Attacking me with lame reviles won't make the story changes here, I'm afraid, keep it up.

Originally posted by leonheartmm
if uve played the trilogy

Stuborness, unbeliever.

Originally posted by leonheartmm
then why didnt u know that there was no big bang.

Lmao, I didn't perfectly know how was the use and functions of a Gunblade and I've played Final Fantasy VIII like hundred of times, later I've read it in the Ultimania and I've learned MORE DETAILED INFORMATION about it. So?

Originally posted by leonheartmm
considering everythign else ive seen here, uve only read the perfect guide in an attempt to put down people in xenosaga vs debates.

I've read the Perfect Guide to learn MORE, what's the problem? Those aren't arguments, my friend. I'm not debating anything over Xenosaga, I'm making you to understand that the statements are facts, simple as that and you can't deny them, simple as that. Got it?

Originally posted by leonheartmm
it isnt very different from what fans in the comic book versus forum do.

Keep adding irrelevant information.

Originally posted by leonheartmm
im not insulting u

Yes, you are and also you're attacking me instead being rational.

Originally posted by leonheartmm
just saying that ur making fallacious claims.

Thus the Perfect Guide IS fallacious... See? So I was right after all, read above.

Originally posted by leonheartmm
lmao.

You should: cry. At this rate you're not making any sense anymore, but it is fun to reply to your rant.

Originally posted by leonheartmm
how can sum1 who hasnt played the game know anything about "facts"?

A gift:

Originally posted by leonheartmm
how old r u?

It's none of your business, I guess?

Just want to point out Dumbledore being gay was the stupidest and most unnecessary information ever given ever.

Originally posted by GrieverSquall
Opposite of what?

No, you don't. You can't back a claim that is already backed-up by the Perfect Guide itself.

That's the difference in being stubborn like you are.

You called the Perfect Guide fallacious by calling me fallacious. You are making the Xenosaga fans look REALLY bad.

Huh? It seems you are quite obsessed about: 'circularity'. You sir, have no place here to use such words when you're denying Official statements, you're losing your time here.

Why should I need a quote from the game? Isn't sufficient to read an Official Guide that states that the Upper/Lower Domains forms part of ONE Universe? Stop smoking weird things and pay attention to the facts. Your quotes from the game are meaningless in this case.

Non-Canon Guide? Are you serious?! You don't even have the authority to call an Official source non-canon nor you can't back that is non-canon, because you're just a fan and IS canonical.

Indeed, is MORE than that, is irrelevant.

Therefore the Final Fantasy Ultimania Guides (as far as your retarded logic goes) are also non-canon? The Perfect Guide is an Official source with Official statements and detailed information about the game's plot. Warn me when you stop your ranting.

And you have less credibility than a bunch of kids saying that Santa Claus exist calling yourself a non-canon-fallacious guide to the Perfect Guide which you have NO evidence of what you're saying AT ALL.

Valid criticisms about what? What are you talking about? You are making no sense with anything you just lay here.

You don't said anything about: 'histories' before, that has been added up now. You said: "past/present/future/alternate timeline/other conciousnesses/memories etc."NOT histories. All of those elements are part of the Lower Domain, NOT from the entire Universe. The Encephalon has nothing to do with the entire Universe itself, just get over it, Xenosaga is not multiverse, different dimensions doesn't means different Universes.

Lol? You're being childish. Attacking me with lame reviles won't make the story changes here, I'm afraid, keep it up.

Stuborness, unbeliever.

Lmao, I didn't perfectly know how was the use and functions of a Gunblade and I've played Final Fantasy VIII like hundred of times, later I've read it in the Ultimania and I've learned MORE DETAILED INFORMATION about it. So?

I've read the Perfect Guide to learn MORE, what's the problem? Those aren't arguments, my friend. I'm not debating anything over Xenosaga, I'm making you to understand that the statements are facts, simple as that and you can't deny them, simple as that. Got it?

Keep adding irrelevant information.

Yes, you are and also you're attacking me instead being rational.

Thus the Perfect Guide IS fallacious... See? So I was right after all, read above.

You should: cry. At this rate you're not making any sense anymore, but it is fun to reply to your rant.

A gift:

It's none of your business, I guess?

lets summarise your idiocy

you have absoutely NO knowledge of the game outside the perfect non cannon guide.

any and ALL references to the game that you have made come from the guide in question, you havent mentioned a single event/conversation/in game database entry to back up your claims.

you fail to acknowledge{having never played the game as is now proven} that the perfect guide is inconsistant and fallacious. u also fail to see the comparison between the marvel handbook or the perfect guide, as both being written by the publishing COMPANIES instead of the writers of the series. hence making it UNOFFICIAL and non cannon.

ive given you quotes from the game's database and events in game and u dont even acknowledge them.

you cant seem to understand the fact that different "timelines" mean alternate universes nor can u comprehend that when i said historieS i meant timelines.

you called me a kid but then got defensive when i asked YOUR age. lmao.

why shud i keep hummouring a pre pubescent fanboy such as yourself at this rate?

Originally posted by leonheartmm
lets summarise your idiocy

Remember... Insulting or attacking me WON'T change anything at all.

Originally posted by leonheartmm
you have absoutely NO knowledge of the game

I have, not as you, but since I've played I do have knowledge, how's possible I couldn't?

Originally posted by leonheartmm
outside the perfect non cannon guide.

You have NO evidence that is non-canon, you say is non-canon because it refutes all your arguments.

Originally posted by leonheartmm
any and ALL references to the game that you have made come from the guide in question, you havent mentioned a single event/conversation/in game database entry to back up your claims.

Listen up, mate. I don't need conversations from the characters nor events in the game to know that in Xenosaga there's a Universe that is formed by Domains, you don't have to be a genius to realize that simple fact in general. You have no point here. I don't have to back anything because the one claiming that Xenosaga is multiverse is YOU, so the burden of proof is in YOU, not in me. And since it is already stated such topic in the Perfect Guide you should shut up and accept the fact.

Originally posted by leonheartmm
you fail

That's something that fits you.

Originally posted by leonheartmm
{having never played the game as is now proven}

You have NO evidence that I have't played the games, you're being ridiculous now. You sound like a broken record.

Originally posted by leonheartmm
that the perfect guide is inconsistant and fallacious.

Great... Now is an statement by a retarded fan that an Official source such as the Perfect Guide is fallacious. Do me a favor and stop your incoherent rant before you hurt yourself.

Originally posted by leonheartmm
u also fail to see the comparison between the marvel handbook or the perfect guide

That's irrelevant information that you throw here for no apparent reason, oh wait... I think is because you left nothing but spite. That's sad.

Originally posted by leonheartmm
as both being written by the publishing COMPANIES instead of the writers of the series. hence making it UNOFFICIAL and non cannon.

Like I said before, you have absolutely NO evidence that such Official source is non-canon, look at you, you're just a obsessed fan. I suppose you know more about Xenosaga that the companies and the ones that pusblished and made the Perfect Guide which is Official and is all about the game's plot? They would like to have a word with you. 😂

Originally posted by leonheartmm
ive given you quotes from the game's database and events in game and u dont even acknowledge them.

The broken record keeps functioning... What a pain. I accept all of what you have just said, BUT like saying that refutes something about the entire Universe itself, yeah sure. You can't accept that SINGLE FACT, and you, instead, are bringing irrelevant information, without evidence, without a basis whatsoever, just rant, rant, rant and more rant.

Originally posted by leonheartmm
you cant seem to understand the fact that different "timelines" mean alternate universes nor can u comprehend that when i said historieS i meant timelines.

You are just repeating yourself here.
'Each possess an individual time axis and space axis, but as a whole, they are elements that form one universe.'

They refers to the Lower/Upper Domains here. Which mentioned elements forms ONE UNIVERSE.

Originally posted by leonheartmm
you called me a kid but then got defensive when i asked YOUR age. lmao.

Because you're showing to be an immature kid. Maybe you are not, but by showing it... Defensive? Are you you looking at what you write? THIS HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH ANYTHING. You're making yourself look retarded, no offense.

Originally posted by leonheartmm
why shud i keep hummouring a pre pubescent fanboy such as yourself at this rate?

😄 The hypocrisy...

This thread has gotten pretty funny.