Xenosaga vs. Final Fantasy

Infinite vs Infinite?

Well what happenswhen an unstoppable force meets an immovable object? Nothing... They cancel eachother out.

U-DO is only infinite in the context of its own universe. The Void is beyond the universal scale, as is time compression Ultimecia. Two multi universe destroyers cancel out an entity bound to one universe, as he would be destroyed along with the rest of the universe if either of these two attacked it.

Again, character claim. U-DO has infinite power too according to characters.

And its only "infinite" in its own universe. If something more powerful than one universe wiped out its plane of existence, it too would be destoryed.

If I had nothing on my side you wouldn't be ignoring the vast majority of the perfect guide, sport. If the lower domain was a universe they wouldn't call it a part of the universe and make a diagram showing it as simply being within the universe.

Do yout hink the Japanese have a term for multiverse? Have you ever heard it said in any anime? In fact, Tenchi Muyo has multiple universes but they're just called dimensions. It has a multiverse but nowhere is the term used there.

So again, science is on my side. A Big Bang make sa universe and it made the Lower Domain.

No, chief, science isn't on your side. The laws of physics, mathematics, chemistry, etc are broken all the time in fictional universes. That's like trying to apply newton's laws to Tifa in Advent Children, it just doesn;t work that way, son.

The Japanese know full well the difference between a universe and a multiverse, and even then they don't distinguish that here. Dimensions aren't universes, if that were the case then Jedah would be a universe buster, and all he took out was something small than a solar system. If they mean universe, they wouldn't have called them domains of one universe.

Stop pulling things out of your ass, this debate is already over, and you lost. 🙁

Do we know if U-DO resides in a physical dimension or an incoporeal one, because that would determine for me if its multiversal or not.

But like I said beforehand, it makes little difference to Neo EX-Death or TC Ultimecia, if Crusader is correct (And yess the Scan text for Ultimecia's final form says she was absorbing ALL existance including all universes, multiverses, and all timelines.)

Here's something from the perfect guide on the upper and lower domains:

<<The Upper Domain and the Lower Domain>>

The given names "Upper" and "Lower" for the domains are nothing more than relative names. It is like how the third dimension is to the second, or how the fourth dimension is to the third. Each possess an individual time axis and space axis, but as a whole, they are elements that form one universe. In addition, it is unknown even whether or not the lower domain's concept of time exists in the upper domain in the first place. But regardless, although the existing role and function differ in each due to their difference in structure, the lower domain is indispensable for the upper, and the upper domain is necessary for the lower. This is because they form a single universe with both parts included. Therefore, the dysfunction and collapse of one will exert an effect on the other as well.

Also, "Dimensional Universe" is a term that refers to the lower domain.

No, chief, science isn't on your side. The laws of physics, mathematics, chemistry, etc are broken all the time in fictional universes. That's like trying to apply newton's laws to Tifa in Advent Children, it just doesn;t work that way, son.

Big difference being that an event that took place in real life took place in Xenosaga.
Know why? Because Xenosaga takes place in the real world. Just in the future.

Real world = Big Bang made universe.
Xenosaga = Big Bang made universe.

It's simple as that. Science wins.

The Japanese know full well the difference between a universe and a multiverse, and even then they don't distinguish that here. Dimensions aren't universes, if that were the case then Jedah would be a universe buster, and all he took out was something small than a solar system.

Now you think you know shit about Tenchi Muyo....
The 3rd Dimension in TM is the universe. There's a 4th, fifth and so-on up to the 13th or so dimension i think.

Also dimension is referred to as a universe in Marvel Comics.

If they mean universe, they wouldn't have called them domains of one universe.

Big Bang makes a universe. Science wins.

Science wins, but unfortunately for you science still isn't on your side.

And Marvel comics never calls dimensions universes. Dimensions are different parts of the same universe. 616 is the universe, but the dimensions such as ours, Mephisto's realm, etc are all different dimensions in it. You're failing left and right here. 🙁

Dimensional Universe refers to the Lower Domain which was made by a universe-creating Big Bang.

Except for the fact that its not a universe, its simply a part of it. Did you read what I typed or are you just unable to quit when you've lost?

Science wins, but unfortunately for you science still isn't on your side.

Really now? Well tell me. What does a Big Bang do then according to science if it doesn't make a universe? That's the only way science disagrees with me.

And Marvel comics never calls dimensions universes. Dimensions are different parts of the same universe. 616 is the universe, but the dimensions such as ours, Mephisto's realm, etc are all different dimensions in it. You're failing left and right here.

So yes universes are referred to as dimensions in Marvel.

Actually Universes are set in as a plain of existance. A universe contains all existance relative to that existance, including alternate dimensions, mirrored dimensions, parallel dimensions, infinite alternate timelines... A universe, and multiverses for that matter are effectively nearly endless and limitless.

Let go of the big bang thing, sweetie. A big bang is simply a dense cluster of matter and energy bursting outward, its very easy for one to make part of a universe, especially a fictional universe that doesn't have to follow the rules, even more so when it says its just part of one universe explicitly several times. 🙂

As for your quote thats calling the 616 universe a dimension, its a simple error. Inside of the single universe that is Earth 616, there is a multitude of different dimensions like Mephisto's realm. Stop trying to save face by getting off subject.

Let go of the big bang thing, sweetie. A big bang is simply a dense cluster of matter and energy bursting outward, its very easy for one to make part of a universe, especially a fictional universe that doesn't have to follow the rules, even more so when it says its just part of one universe explicitly several times.

Please don't call me sweetie. I'm bisexual but I do not like you whatsoever.

A Big Bang made our universe. Guess what Xenosaga takes place in?

A Big Bang makes universes. The Lower Domain started with one. You lose.

As for your quote thats calling the 616 universe a dimension, its a simple error. Inside of the single universe that is Earth 616, there is a multitude of different dimensions like Mephisto's realm. Stop trying to save face by getting off subject.

I'll get the scan from the handbook later clearly stating a dimension can be called a universe just as I showed already.
It's happened many times.

Sorry champ, but I've already explained this to you. A big bang can create a universe, but that doesn't mean it has to. This is proved by the fact that the lower domain was created inside of the already existing universe, meaning its not a universe even though it came form a big bang. You've seen four seperate pieces of evidence now saying its a single universe, and you're still hung up on this.

I'm afraid that since all you can do is repeat the argument the perfect guide has shot down several times already, you're going to have to go on ignore. Sorry sport, hopefully some day you'll learn to debate. 🙁

Thanks for conceding.
I'm glad you've learn to listen to reason and accepted scientific fact.

Oh boy. Enough........ nobody's answered an earlier post I made, so I'll ask this one instead.

Can the domains be travelled to physically without interdimension means / portals?

No. In fact it requires one of the strongest things in the universe to travel to teh upper Domain.
However the real space and imaginary domains can be traveled to by various beings in Xenosaga.

Then they are either separate dimensional plains of the same universe, or they are relative universes in the same multiverse. Unless this force enables travel to unrelated multiverses, in which case I'd need an example.

Yes, the lower domain can access the upper domain. When this happens though a large influx of energy pours from the upper into the lower. It should also be noted that they have a symbiotic sort of relationship, the dysfunction or collapse of one significantly affects the other according to the perfect guide.

Unless this force enables travel to unrelated multiverses, in which case I'd need an example.

It doesn't allow for this. The only things accessible by U-DO or anything else in Xenosaga are the upper and lower domains, they can't reach outside of the one universe they are in.

Darkstorm, Xenosaga takes place in our future.

Coupled with the fact the guide itself says the Lower Domain (us) started with a Big Bang..we know the Lower Domain is a universe. Why? Because science knows we live in a universe and denying that is sheer stupidity.