Originally posted by fascistcrusader
Hearing the name of a game doesn't count as playing it, silly, and seeing a screenshot doesn't mean you've beaten it. I'm not a fanboy, I simply can view things objectively unlike an antifanboy such as yourself. 🙂
Wait. So you report people for calling you a fanboy, when you post stuff like this?
Have you ever heard of hypocrisy?
Also, I've never seen you be objective about anything before.
Pyron, you're still on my ignore but I don't want you lying to these good people, so I have to correct you. For starters, the Xenosaga universe isn't our universe anymore than the Star Trek universe is. They use names from our universe, but that doesn't make it ours, unless you actually believe in the future both Star Trek and Xenosaga will become reality. Please stop trying to desperately save face with mistruths. Here are the facts, the perfect guide says that the lower domain is simply a part of one universe, here it is for your enjoyment folks:
<<The Upper Domain and the Lower Domain>>
　　　　The given names "Upper" and "Lower" for the domains are nothing more than relative names. It is like how the third dimension is to the second, or how the fourth dimension is to the third. Each possess an individual time axis and space axis, but as a whole, they are elements that form one universe. In addition, it is unknown even whether or not the lower domain's concept of time exists in the upper domain in the first place. But regardless, although the existing role and function differ in each due to their difference in structure, the lower domain is indispensable for the upper, and the upper domain is necessary for the lower. This is because they form a single universe with both parts included. Therefore, the dysfunction and collapse of one will exert an effect on the other as well.
<<The Power of Anima>>
　　　　The power of Anima is what carries the function of the Failsafe.
　　　　Due to the rejecting consciousnesses in the imaginary domain, the Collective Unconscious disperses, and the lower domain collapses, which then spreads to the upper domain. The power of Anima is the power that "safely" eliminates only the lower domain -- the Dimensional Universe -- in order to avoid the worst-case situation where the entire universe would end up being allowed to collapse. In a manner of speaking, it is the function that completely deletes the Dimensional Universe.
There it is, straight from the mouths of those who made the games. One universe with a few domains, not multiple universes.🙂
Pyron, you're still on my ignore but I don't want you lying to these good people, so I have to correct you. For starters, the Xenosaga universe isn't our universe anymore than the Star Trek universe is. They use names from our universe, but that doesn't make it ours, unless you actually believe in the future both Star Trek and Xenosaga will become reality
Why yes, Trek and Xenosaga do both come from our world. Which means they both take place in a universe. Thank you.
Please stop trying to desperately save face with mistruths. Here are the facts, the perfect guide says that the lower domain is simply a part of one universe, here it is for your enjoyment folks:
fascist failed first grade science so here, let me show you all what the Perfect Guide really says.
Eternal Recurrence restarts the Lower Domain from the Big Bang. [/size]
Definition of Big Bang for you:
http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&defl=en&q=define:big+bang&ei=LwavSZvWKaGbtwfR5ZyFBg&sa=X&oi=glossary_definition&ct=title
Perfect Guide says the Lower Domain had a Big Bang. It is a universe.
There it is, straight from the mouths of those who made the games. One universe with a few domains, not multiple universes.
Why yes it is. Straight from their mouths they tell us the Lower Domain is a universe.
I'll repost a quote from the Guide just for fun:
"the Failsafe would have activated, spreading across the entire universe in the blink of an eye"
And the Failsafe only effects the Lower Domain...yet it spreads across the universe...hm.
Fascist doesn't know anything about Xenosaga folks. Don't mind him.
xenosaga takes this pretty convincingly. not only does it have phenomenon which can stand toe to toe with final ultimecia/necron {e.g. anima/chaos, zarathustra, zohar, omega metapsychosis} it also has the encaphalon{i beleive thats what it was called} which effectively makes these things work on a multiversal scale and not least of all, you have u-do who is beyond the entire lower domain multiverse and has nearly the power to destroy the entire damn thing. no1 in final fantasy has that sort of power.
Exdeath has the ability to wipe all universes out of existence. Nothing in Xenosaga exists outside of one universe, much less can destroy multiple, so Neo Exdeath solos. Same with TC Ultimecia, she was absorbing all reality. U-DO, Anima, Zarathustra, etc would simply be absorbed by her with the rest of the universe, becoming extensions of her.
Originally posted by fascistcrusader]
Exdeath has the ability to wipe all universes out of existence. Nothing in Xenosaga exists outside of one universe, much less can destroy multiple, so Neo Exdeath solos. Same with TC Ultimecia, she was absorbing all reality. U-DO, Anima, Zarathustra, etc would simply be absorbed by her with the rest of the universe, becoming extensions of her.
what's next kuja will solo? I laugh if you think he can.
Neo Exdeath was destroyed by PIS, not his own attack. Neo Exdeath is Exdeath fused with the Void which is limitless in power and destructive capabilities. If it weren't for PIS he would have used the Void to erase all universes, as he was sitting in the rift between them.
Until a Xeno character can leave his universe and threaten to destroy multiple universes, they are all helpless before the Void.
Originally posted by fascistcrusader
Neo Exdeath was destroyed by PIS, not his own attack. Neo Exdeath is Exdeath fused with the Void which is limitless in power and destructive capabilities. If it weren't for PIS he would have used the Void to erase all universes, as he was sitting in the rift between them.Until a Xeno character can leave his universe and threaten to destroy multiple universes, they are all helpless before the Void.
it wasn't a universe it was a alternate realm, so he can destroy the universe. then there's the fact that both the parallel worlds were once the same world that split so that means he was simply voiding his own world.
No, he wasn't in FF V's universe when he become Neo Exdeath, he was in the rift between universes. This means he wasn't going to just destroy his universe with both of those planets in it, he was going to destroy every universe. Canonically wee have prrof that the rift allows for access to the universe of FFI, FF V, FF VII/X, FF VIII and FF XII thanks to the Void letting Garland time travel and Gilgamesh traveling the other, so he would have wiped out at least five separate universes.
Originally posted by fascistcrusaderproof of this travels?
No, he wasn't in FF V's universe when he become Neo Exdeath, he was in the rift between universes. This means he wasn't going to just destroy his universe with both of those planets in it, he was going to destroy every universe. Canonically wee have prrof that the rift allows for access to the universe of FFI, FF V, FF VII/X, FF VIII and FF XII thanks to the Void letting Garland time travel and Gilgamesh traveling the other, so he would have wiped out at least five separate universes.
Have you played FF VI, VIII or XII? Gilgamesh wanders different universes via the rift looking for various swords. We know he visited the universe of VII/X because he has relics from it. We also know from Garland's back story in the Dissidia Ultimania that he was able to cause the time loop because of the Void, which was in the rift from FF V.
Ah yes, the Dissidia Ultimania you've failed to post a link to several times...
Don't listen to fascist, Phanteros. He doesnt' even understand simple science and he's trying to say Ex Death can destroy multiple universes based on nothing.
Lol he said the source material proved he could..yet when asked for that material, he was once again silent...
He can't prove anything it seems.
Same with TC Ultimecia, she was absorbing all reality. U-DO, Anima, Zarathustra, etc would simply be absorbed by her with the rest of the universe, becoming extensions of her.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bbjpeg5dBuo
>>>> Ultimecia. Ulty got beat to death by this chick and her pals.
While on the other hand, Yuriev with only a bit of U-DO's power was completely unstoppable. And this was against the party in their E.S.es...any single E.S. could kill the entire FFVIII party in a nanosecond.
Originally posted by fascistcrusader
Exdeath has the ability to wipe all universes out of existence. Nothing in Xenosaga exists outside of one universe, much less can destroy multiple, so Neo Exdeath solos. Same with TC Ultimecia, she was absorbing all reality. U-DO, Anima, Zarathustra, etc would simply be absorbed by her with the rest of the universe, becoming extensions of her.
dimensions in ff are not the same as UNIVERSES. have you even PLAYED a xenosaga game?! through the encaphalon you can visit alternate universes and timestreams where events happen differently and the past can be subjectively changed. that is how abel's ark was brought into real space, that is how the team can visit lost jerusalem. i cud go on, udo is present and effects ALL these universes. ultimecia was absorbing ONE universe and if youve already forgotten, she was beaten, as was ex death.
Have you read the Xenosaga perfect guide, leonheart? It says very, very clearly on three separate occasions that U-DO only exists in ONE universe. This isn't debataable, its flat out said by the games creators. One universe with different domains, end of story.
As for FF, they aren't dimensions, they are entirely seperate universes. For example, the one universe of FF IX has different dimension such as Memoria and the Crystal World. We see very clearly that Neo Exdeath was at the universal crossroads and had the power to destroy all of these different universes through the Void, and we also know Ultimecia was absorbing all of existence. Neo Exdeath and Ultimecia were defeated by PIS, this isn't a valid point.
So we have a few facts here. According to the creators of Xenosaga through very specific comments and diagrams, we know U-DO is confined to one universe, he can just visit the domains of it. We also know that the Void can affect many different FF universes and that Neo Exdeath is the Void incarnate. Exdeath > U-DO as his power is limitless in all dimension, he rape stomps all of Xenosaga.
Again, fascist is completely unable to provide a single source outside a fallible character saying Ex Death can destroy universes.
He has no argument whatsoever.
PIS doesn't exist. It's a fanboys' excuse when things don't go their way. Ex Death and Ultimecia lost is all there is to it. Their power is pathetic and they are pathetic and nothing official says they can do the things you boast.
I beg to differ on the anti PIS comment there Pyro.
PIS and CIS does exist, there are many plot-points that affected characters in ways that should never have happened, and are disreguarded because it conflicts with a characters power-sets, a major example would be the entire Orochi thing from KOF, or Pyron being defeated.
The only thing to watch out for, is the mis-use of PIS/CIS, and the fact is, Ultimecia was PISed to high hell... Being defeated by the power of friendship? thats easily a level 9 "WTF!"
Originally posted by Pyron_KnightFunny, cause last I checked Ultimecia was said to be absorbing all reality and was actually shown doing it.
Again, fascist is completely unable to provide a single source outside a fallible character saying Ex Death can destroy universes.
He has no argument whatsoever.PIS doesn't exist. It's a fanboys' excuse when things don't go their way. Ex Death and Ultimecia lost is all there is to it. Their power is pathetic and they are pathetic and nothing official says they can do the things you boast.