Xenosaga vs. Final Fantasy

Started by Pyron_Knight13 pages

No she wasn't. Please don't tell me you think those little flickering light things are stars....
Because then the party are larger than stars.

And absorbing reality does not equal absorbing multiple universes. That's facists's claim which he can't prove whatsoever.

EDIT:
Just checked. Ultimecia's scan says she's absorbing existence as we speak...but we never see her absorb anything. Just a fancy light show.

Pyron... Please tell me your not now resorting to discrediting feats...

Look, we clearly see she is absorbing the fabric of reality, pulling it all in, now obvoiusly she is very small physically, but the fact is she is compressing the universe and absorbing all of it, which even includes the boundries that separate universes (void).

Thus, creating a chain reaction breakdown of several universes and their related dimensions at once. making her an even greater threat than Neo Ex-Death. We've never seen anything like this from Xenosaga, even U-DO didn't come anywhere near this, this is why a few people are arguing against it, because it's an established feat for her.

Look, we clearly see she is absorbing the fabric of reality, pulling it all in, now obvoiusly she is very small physically, but the fact is she is compressing the universe and absorbing all of it, which even includes the boundries that separate universes (void).

YouTube video

Where do we see her absorbing the fabric of existence in this video then?
I see pretty lights and random graphics.

Thus, creating a chain reaction breakdown of several universes and their related dimensions at once. making her an even greater threat than Neo Ex-Death. We've never seen anything like this from Xenosaga, even U-DO didn't come anywhere near this, this is why a few people are arguing against it, because it's an established feat for her.

Well, for one, U-DO never tried to do anything like that.

So your argument is a domino effect. She effects on euniverse and this messes up the others?

I'm sorry but I'm having a hard time taking this seriously. This ***** got her ass kicked by Selphie. She couldn't even do Time Compression without a machine AND the party helping her. Now she's stronger than someone like Galactus? Galactus only destroyed solar systems and moved galaxies..he's no match for Ultimecia the multi-universal threat!
Gimme a break...

Final Fantasy due to Timewarping and universe eating entities.

Originally posted by fascistcrusader
Have you read the Xenosaga perfect guide, leonheart? It says very, very clearly on three separate occasions that U-DO only exists in ONE universe. This isn't debataable, its flat out said by the games creators. One universe with different domains, end of story.

As for FF, they aren't dimensions, they are entirely seperate universes. For example, the one universe of FF IX has different dimension such as Memoria and the Crystal World. We see very clearly that Neo Exdeath was at the universal crossroads and had the power to destroy all of these different universes through the Void, and we also know Ultimecia was absorbing all of existence. Neo Exdeath and Ultimecia were defeated by PIS, this isn't a valid point.

So we have a few facts here. According to the creators of Xenosaga through very specific comments and diagrams, we know U-DO is confined to one universe, he can just visit the domains of it. We also know that the Void can affect many different FF universes and that Neo Exdeath is the Void incarnate. Exdeath > U-DO as his power is limitless in all dimension, he rape stomps all of Xenosaga.

the facist, the perfect guide wasnt written by the story writers who left the project midway or later{part of the reason xenosaga didnt get to make 6 games as it was supposed to}. its a pathetic attempt to try and reconcile an unfinished story and not only contradicts the strory, but all out fails to understand the subtler references to mythology {e.g. gnostic concept of two messiahs the preacher and chaos, who is called YESHUA., which was jesus's real name, or the concept of twin gods, as chaos and udo, or archetypes and horsemen, or the maiden of mary who was actually jesus's child [shion]}. the most valid source of information is the continually updated IN GAME DATABASE, and that is my source. any1 who has played xenosaga through will know this.

and tell me, if there is only one universe then what is the encaphalon?????????? and how was abel's ark summoned????

udo exists simultaneously in all time streams and all alternate unievrses in the encaphalon, this isnt debateable. it exists in its own HIGHER dimension but affects the entire multiverse.

and also , how can you SEE very clearly that he is standing at a crossroads of UNIVERSE? were there signs poitning to each universe. or can you sumhow see in higher dimension in 16 bit that others cant and SEE universes? ultimecia was absorbing one universe.

your "facts" have just been redefined.

Hmm... In my opinion Final Fantasy wins.

Originally posted by GrieverSquall
Hmm... In my opinion Final Fantasy wins.

Obviously it does with Neo Exdeath, Ultimecia, and Dissidia's Chaos being reality destroyers.

If this was a sole FF world like IV, VII, IX, or X, Xenosaga is gonna win.

Originally posted by Sin_Volvagia
Obviously it does with Neo Exdeath, Ultimecia, and Dissidia's Chaos being reality destroyers.

If this was a sole FF world like IV, VII, IX, or X, Xenosaga is gonna win.

Indeed. Ultimecia solos.

Is U-DO not a supreme being?

If he is, this can only be a draw, Dissidia introduced a supposed supreme being into the series, called the "Great Will," which apparently possesses more power than an amped Chaos.

Originally posted by NemeBro
Is U-DO not a supreme being?

If he is, this can only be a draw

In the FF universe are more supreme beings. If this include ALL the FF series then Hyne is there.

Hyne is not a supreme being.

U-DO is the best thing Xenosaga has to offer, and it is confined to a single universe. Ultimecia and Exdeath can wipe out not just their universes, but most likely other universes through the Void and Time Compression/Reality Absorption. Then there's Chaos, who not only can but did destroy multiple universes keeping only the parts he wished, and was about to destroy the entire multiverse. FF takes this in a stomp.

Originally posted by NemeBro
Hyne is not a supreme being.

You're right, Hyne is a normal human.

Incorrect.

Hyne created humanity, he was not human.

Then I was right when I said Hyne was supreme?

No. 🙂

Ok, what is Hyne, then?

A deity, albeit a fallible one.

So we can't call Hyne a God or supreme being? I thought that was said in the game itself, I don't remember well, sorry.
Either way, a being that made all humanity must be supreme, I guess.

Doesn't Ultimecia possess only half of Hyne's powers as well?