Magic isn't known exist in Routh Superman canon. Why would he be weak to it?
And speaking of canon, Routh Superman is an older Reeve Superman. Reeve Superman turned back time by flying around the planet at superluminal speeds. A reporter in Returns notes that he must be flying near the speed of light to get from place to place without being tracked by satellites. Plus, he's kinda strong.
Superman rapes.
Why are people bothering with the likes of Hulk, Thing, Sue Storm, Magneto and Ghost Rider? They're non-factors, and for those arguing "GR can't die", okay, Superman throws him into orbit, good as done.
That leaves Phoenix, which Superman call kill with a speed-blitz. This is taking into account she could harm him in the first place, considering his durability, I doubt she could even singe his curly-cue.
Silver Surfer would be his greatest challenge, but Superman has greater strength and speed feats.
Originally posted by Robtard
That leaves Phoenix, which Superman call kill with a speed-blitz. This is taking into account she could harm him in the first place, considering his durability, I doubt she could even singe his curly-cue.
Could Supes kill her before she mind f*cks him? I mean, the mind is, in fact, pretty powerful, and fast, sir.
Originally posted by Impediment
Not that I want to come off as philosophical, but can the mind move faster than light speed?BTW, this is Routh Supes. Not Pre-Crisis Supes.
I don't know, thinking is fast, not sure it's faster than light speed though.
He might as well be Pre-Crisis, not even kryptonite stops him all the way, he had a piece in him, yet still lifted an island made in part of it.
When does Routh Superman show FTL speeds?
He was never at two places at one time, thats impossible. He was reported to be at different places at the same time. I think it would be silly to take that literally. He was however suggested to be near light speed.
His other speed feat includes catching up to a speeding bullet from far away (like really far).
But one inconsistency with the near-like speed suggestion is that he initially had some trouble catching the falling plane at the start of the movie and it clearly took him some time to accelerate fast enough to over take it.
My view is that he could probably travel from country to country in seconds, but no where near light speed.
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Surfer on the other hand travels from galaxy to galaxy. Like I said in another thread, it would be silly if Surfer was slow and took him billions and upwards of years. Even at light speed, it would take him millions of years if not more, and I find that unlikely.
However, like Superman, SS does have his inconsistencies, he clearly doesn't show that speed once he is on Earth. But he still travels around the world drilling holes rather quickly although I don't think anyone could put a number on it. He can also travel from Earth to space in seconds, and if you watch the two scenes, its faster than when Superman went for a sundip.
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As for Dark Phoenix, I don't think her telekinesis could rip Supes apart, although no evidence would contradict that view. I do think she could push him back for awhile, but if Superman wanted to get to her, she won't hold out for long just with telekinesis.
Her telepathy, I would see having full effect on Superman. As to the discussion of Speed of Light vs Speed of thought, there is no contest. Light speed is orders of magnitude faster. However, I've already established in my opinion Superman is not light speed. Also, the fact that Dark Phoenix is a nigh-omnipotent telekinetic/telepath, it wouldn't be unfair to assume she has much faster nerve conduction and therefore speed of thought.
Originally posted by Placidity
When does Routh Superman show FTL speeds?
Originally posted by Vengeful Koala
[...] Routh Superman is an older Reeve Superman. Reeve Superman turned back time by flying around [Earth] at superluminal speeds.
Originally posted by PlacidityMovie Phoenix is nowhere near "omnipotent." She's a powerful telepath and telekinetic, nothing more. She's never demonstrated superhuman physical attributes, so there's no reason at all to assume she has them.
Also, the fact that Dark Phoenix is a nigh-omnipotent telekinetic/telepath, it wouldn't be unfair to assume she has much faster nerve conduction and therefore speed of thought.
Originally posted by Vengeful Koala
Movie Phoenix is nowhere near "omnipotent." She's a powerful telepath and telekinetic, nothing more. She's never demonstrated superhuman physical attributes, so there's no reason at all to assume she has them.
I said "nigh omnipotent telekinetic/telepath". What has that got to do with physical attributes I don't know.
She was not able to shred Wolverine at all, her TK has a limit.
And light is far faster than thought, like, by alot. Thoughts are electrical impulses, which are far slower than true lightspeed. Not to mention the further time it takes to process the thoughts and act upon them, so light is much faster.
Penance Stare only works on those who have done wrong.
Silver Surfer is the team's ONLY shot, and even then, Superman has shown to react faster and is much stronger and more durable.
Originally posted by ThunderGodEneru
She was not able to shred Wolverine at all, her TK has a limit.
I've been over this in another topic.
Originally posted by Placidity
Nope, just personal interpretation, although I feel its pretty obvious and most people would agree with it (search the Xmen movie threads).Do you really think Logan could've gotten close to the Phoenix if she didnt let him? (or Logan>Phoenix)
You may have forgotten that she has telekinesis, which is what allows her to "demolecularize" objects. So even if she was struggling to demolecularize him as you claim, she could have pushed him away/ slammed him into the ground/ make him immobile etc (as shown earlier in the film).
They also have a love/hate relationship going on, hence why she didnt kill him. (or some claim that Jean was fighting/holding back the phoenix)
Observing what the Phoenix did to other victims should show that she was only using a fraction of her powers against Logan. Basically, she was only striping a few layers off his chest and face. Whereas, when using her full capacity, the victim is demolecularized from head to toe almost instantly (not just the chest etc).
Also, the Phoenix asks Logan: "You would die for them?", implying she is capable of killing him. And she probably well may have if Jean didnt surface after that.
In addition, Judging by previous feats of Logan's healing factor in the films, it is also obvious he cannot regenerate at any rate as close to how quickly Phoenix can demolecularize objects(i.e almost instantly).
Originally posted by bobbi
SHOW that his evidence is faulty and then you can say your point hasn't been proven and show how smart you are.I for one thought his evidence was fairly good (don't exactly remember how long the bone guy took out wolverine for (15sec seems long but i dont remember) but thats just 1 thing). Pretty much every damage we've seen of movie wolv takes a second or 2 at least to heal and we've seen phoenix disintegrate ppl in less than that. Unless jean's disintegration powers are weaker than a bullet, sabertooths claws, and many others than she should have been able to stop him.
And jean can LEVITATE PPL with EASE. If she really wanted wolv dead she could have done that and choked him or even continue disintegrating him. Magneto was even able to do whatever he wanted to wolv and jean is way stronger than magneto. She decided to levitate the professor and random guys in that last scene so why not wolvs?
Originally posted by PlacidityConcessions are fun.
Good for you 🙄
Um, topic started specified Brandon Routh's Superman from Returns. If past movie feats are viable, then whats the point of specifying specifically Superman Returns?So Wolverine from X3 can't use feats from X2? Sue Storm from FF2 can't use feats from FF1? Spiderman from Spiderman 3 can't use feats from Spiderman 2? That's not absurd at all.
Continuity matters. Returns is a direct sequel to Reeve's first two movies. Same character, same powers.
Originally posted by Vengeful Koala
Concessions are fun.
By superhuman attributes you clearly meant things like Strength, Speed, Durability etc. Once your mistake was pointed out to you, you decided to pretend you were talking about nerve conduction? Oh my.
Mutant powers from X-men are all scientific in nature. A powerful telepath having a superior CNS isn't scientifically sound to you? Oh well, I guess she must get her powers from magicks or something.
Originally posted by Vengeful Koala
So Wolverine from X3 can't use feats from X2? Sue Storm from FF2 can't use feats from FF1? Spiderman from Spiderman 3 can't use feats from Spiderman 2?That's not absurd at all.
No, it would not be absurd at all if that is what the topic starter specified. I like how you like to use twisted examples though.
Originally posted by PlacidityNo. That doesn't even make sense when you look at it in context, so please, lie more.
By superhuman attributes you clearly meant things like Strength, Speed, Durability etc.
Nerve conduction is physical in nature. So if Phoenix's nerves operated faster than ordinary nerves, it stands to reason that she would think and react faster than ordinary people, thus giving her a superhuman attribute.
Once your mistake was pointed out to you, you decided to pretend you were talking about nerve conduction? Oh my.See the above. Playing the smartass never works out for you, so I suggest you stop.
Mutant powers from X-men are all scientific in nature. A powerful telepath having a superior CNS isn't scientifically sound to you? Oh well, I guess she must get her powers from magicks or something.... Wow.
The X-Men movies - and of course, comic book and sci-fi movies at large - use almost purely pseudoscientific explanations for everything. Absorbing "powers"? Fire beams of pure concussive force from your eyes? Making tornados with your brain, possessing mental "mastery of magnetism" that apparently limits one to manipulation of iron? None of these are remotely scientifically feasible.
The fact that neither Jean nor Xavier once demonstrate exceptional reflexes or speed of thought would imply that they don't have them.
No, it would not be absurd at all if that is what the topic starter specified.The thread starter specified that this is Superman from Returns, who is the same character Reeve plays. What part of that is hard for you to understand?
I like how you like to use twisted examples though.They aren't twisted. At all. If the thread starters said "Wolverine from X3," your logic would dictate that what happened in X1 and X2 don't matter. Hence, absurd.