Take Down Routh Superman

Originally posted by Vengeful Koala

The X-Men movies - and of course, comic book and sci-fi movies at large - use almost purely pseudoscientific explanations for everything. Absorbing "powers"? Fire beams of pure concussive force from your eyes? Making tornados with your brain, possessing mental "mastery of magnetism" that apparently limits one to manipulation of iron? None of these are remotely scientifically feasible.

Its called a movie, and its what stated in the film. Saying its not scientifically feasible doesn't mean anything.

Originally posted by Vengeful Koala

The thread starter specified that this is Superman from Returns, who is [b]the same character Reeve plays. What part of that is hard for you to understand?

They aren't twisted. At all. If the thread starters said "Wolverine from X3," your logic would dictate that what happened in X1 and X2 don't matter. Hence, absurd. [/B]

What part of why would the topic starter specify Routh and Superman Returns don't you understand?

Another stupid example by you. Why would anyone state specifically "Wolverine from X3" if he/she really meant Wolverine from X1,2 and 3?

Seriously, just go back to the Star Wars section.

Originally posted by Vengeful Koala
No. That doesn't even make sense when you look at it in context, so please, lie more.

No it makes perfect sense. You said she was nowhere near omnipotent, when I was referring to her telekinesis/Telepathy as nigh omnipotent, and in fact she is. So at this point, you mistook me labelling her as literally omnipotent in all aspects (when I just meant specifically her mental powers).

Then you argue that shes not omnipotent by saying she doesn't have any superhuman attributes.

Pretty clear you're full of it. Nice try though 🙄

Originally posted by Vvendeta
She did more than lifting alcatraz

YouTube video

Yeah...Uhh...I never said she lifted Alcatraz did I?

So she make a whirlpool....moved some filing cabinets...took a door off the hinges...It was actually Magneto that moves that cars and the Golden gate bridge. She lifted her house about a foot off the ground.

I don't think your video really helped her case at all did it?

Originally posted by Vvendeta
Darth Phoenix (X men 3)
Hulk (Movie versions)
Thing (Fantastic 4)
Sue Storm
Silver surfer (Fantastic 4)
Magneto (X men 3)
Ghost Rider

Vs

Superman (Returns)

Scenario.

Luthor found a way to control Charles Xavier and cerebro, and control all this characters to kill at the same time the man of steel, will they have sucess? if so explain how

Superman won't be able to do anything to the Phoenix but he'll wreck the others, quite easily. Surfer should be able to drop Superman like nothing but he was a pansy in the movie. Sue Storm would give Superman more of a challenge than Siver Surfer.

Originally posted by Vengeful Koala
Magic isn't known exist in Routh Superman canon. Why would he be weak to it?

Originally posted by Robtard
[B]Why are people bothering with the likes of Hulk, Thing, Sue Storm, Magneto and Ghost Rider? They're non-factors, and for those arguing "GR can't die", okay, Superman throws him into orbit, good as done.

That leaves Phoenix, which Superman call kill with a speed-blitz. This is taking into account she could harm him in the first place, considering his durability, I doubt she could even singe his curly-cue.

Silver Surfer would be his greatest challenge, but Superman has greater strength and speed feats.

To trow Ghost rider to orbit, he has to touch him.

I think you underestimate the Silver surfer, and the Dark Phoenix
and Ghost rider

I have Questions

Superman will beat easy the force field of Sue?

in your opinion, Superman will kill the hulk and the thing with one punch or he has to pawn them to dead?

If Superman decided to take everyone to space will be on group or one by one?

How will he defeat the Silver surfer?

Originally posted by jaden101
Yeah...Uhh...I never said she lifted Alcatraz did I?

So she make a whirlpool....moved some filing cabinets...took a door off the hinges...It was actually Magneto that moves that cars and the Golden gate bridge. She lifted her house about a foot off the ground.

I don't think your video really helped her case at all did it?

Sorry, you were imply that she only destroy Alcatraz as if she is weak.

She can do with any matter what magneto does with metal, is state in the movie.

The house was lifted as a result of the mind duel between her and Charles Xavier.

I would said that the mind power is a bigger thread to superman, he would resist been disintegrated, but she can slow down Superman, only between the 2 of them she will lose, but been her with the others attacking superman is different.

Originally posted by jinXed by JaNx
Superman won't be able to do anything to the Phoenix but he'll wreck the others, quite easily. Surfer should be able to drop Superman like nothing but he was a pansy in the movie. Sue Storm would give Superman more of a challenge than Siver Surfer.

There is one detail that everybody forgot.

Surfer does not lose his power because he felt from his board, Doom found the way to steal his power, and the only way to recover it was touching his board

Ah, no. Once he lost contact with the board, he was powerless. That was the point of Reed making that 'tachyon pulse', to knock him off and separate him from his power-source.

Originally posted by Vvendeta

Sorry, you were imply that she only destroy Alcatraz as if she is weak.

She can do with any matter what magneto does with metal, is state in the movie.

The house was lifted as a result of the mind duel between her and Charles Xavier.

I would said that the mind power is a bigger thread to superman, he would resist been disintegrated, but she can slow down Superman, only between the 2 of them she will lose, but been her with the others attacking superman is different.

As it stands in the films, she is weak. We never see her do anything comparable with what Superman does in SR.

The rest of them, like i said are just canon fodder. Superman would destroy them. Between the two Hulk's the biggest strength feat is throwing a tank. Supes threw a massive land mass out of earths orbit. Stopped a air liner crashing into the ground. Lifted a massive boat, flooded with water out of the sea. Vapourised falling glass while in flight. Stopped a massive gas explosion with his breath. Stopped a giant metal globe from falling on pedestrians. flew into the ocean and right to the bottom then smashed through the earths crust.

Do i really need to go on? Is there anything been done by any of the others to match those feats of strength, speed and durability?

Originally posted by Vvendeta
Clever
But in the same way why he will be resilient compare with his comic counterpart?

And Ghost Rider is more supernatural, powers than ordinary magic

I specify Routh Superman.

Can someone else please explain to me if I'm missing something here? There's a continuity between the first two Reeve films and Returns, it's the same character, the same events happened. Why can't Superman use feats from a film that "he" was previously in?

To trow Ghost rider to orbit, he has to touch him.

Superman will beat easy the force field of Sue?

Superman > Sue.

in your opinion, Superman will kill the hulk and the thing with one punch or he has to pawn them to dead?

If Superman decided to take everyone to space will be on group or one by one?

How will he defeat the Silver surfer?

Im fairly convinced by Superman's prowess in feats dept.

So much so that I even reckon he might even be able to kill McClane.

Originally posted by Vvendeta

To trow Ghost rider to orbit, he has to touch him.

I think you underestimate the Silver surfer, and the Dark Phoenix
and Ghost rider

I have Questions

Superman will beat easy the force field of Sue?

in your opinion, Superman will kill the hulk and the thing with one punch or he has to pawn them to dead?

If Superman decided to take everyone to space will be on group or one by one?

How will he defeat the Silver surfer?

Why can't he touch Ghost Rider? If some bum with a crowbar can hit GR and dislodge his jaw, Superman can certainly grab him and then toss his ass into orbit.

I think you foolishly underestimate how ridiculously powerful they made Superman in Superman Returns.

If Sue's force-field couldn't even hold the Eye Of London which weighs 17k tons, then Superman will smash through it like it didn't exist.

Hulk is incredibly tough, but he was hurt at times, though even minor. So a guy who can fly into the Earth and then lift an Island is most likely strong enough to rip off Hulk's head. If not, he just tosses his ass into orbit too.

He could probably tear The Things head off too, if not, he'd also be tossed into orbit. Or he could fly/tunnel his ass into the Earth's core, effectively taking The Thing out. (I prefer the orbit-toss though)

With his super-speed, he could fly at them, grab and toss them skyward in the blink of an eye (or two).

The Surfer is the only factor here; not sure exactly how he'd destroy him, but I base my guess that he could due to his (what seems to be) limitless strength and durability. The Surfer has a weakness which Superman could possibly exploit, ie knocking him off his board. As far as I know, Surfer doesn't carry around kryptonite.

And if he loses, he has a predator style get out clause agianst most of those on the list:

The superdump.
http://www.killermovies.com/forums/f48/t503420.html

Originally posted by Sadako of Girth
Im fairly convinced by Superman's prowess in feats dept.

So much so that I even reckon he might even be able to kill McClane.

Superman could, unless McClane was savvy enough to lodge a piece of kyptonite up his ass before the fight, which I wouldn't put pasted him.

Then again, it taking Superman to take him down only speaks well for the McClane.

Originally posted by Robtard
Superman could, unless McClane was savvy enough to lodge a piece of kryptonite up his ass before the fight, which I wouldn't put past him.

Then again, it taking Superman to take him down only speaks well for the McClane.

Indeed it does.
✅

(A team of Lex's henchmen of could probably take Riggs though.) 😛

Originally posted by Vvendeta
There is one detail that everybody forgot.

Surfer does not lose his power because he felt from his board, Doom found the way to steal his power, and the only way to recover it was touching his board

they made it very clear in that piece of shit movie that the Board was the Surfers source of energy. The moment he left his board he was powerless and the moment he reconnected with his board he regained his powers.

Originally posted by jaden101
As it stands in the films, she is weak. We never see her do anything comparable with what Superman does in SR.

How is she weak?

Originally posted by jaden101

The rest of them, like i said are just canon fodder.

The Surfer is not cannon fodder.

The problem here is that you only see power in terms of strength. Like any other abilities don't matter. Now I would find it easier to accept if your opinion was while those two could be a threat to Superman, his overwhelming feats would be too much for them.

But the idea I'm getting from you is that anyone without superhuman strength is "weak" and Superman wins because he is strong.

You're clearly not very good at comprehending logic, so let me lay it down for you.

Superman, was at least relativistic in speed, likely more. That is fast enough to kill most of the team before they form a thought.

Superman is stronger than 100 Hulks by showings. He lifted a continent that was partially formed of Kryptonite and had Kryptonite jabbed in his side. That means he can kill anyone on the team in one shot except for maybe Surfer.

Superman WILL take down this team in seconds, and it will only take seconds due to Surfer.

Originally posted by ThunderGodEneru
You're clearly not very good at comprehending logic, so let me lay it down for you.

No, I am perfectly good at comprehending logic. You on the other hand, are not very good at debating without being a jerk with people with different viewpoints.

Originally posted by ThunderGodEneru

Superman, was at least relativistic in speed, likely more. That is fast enough to kill most of the team before they form a thought.

Superman is stronger than 100 Hulks by showings. He lifted a continent that was partially formed of Kryptonite and had Kryptonite jabbed in his side. That means he can kill anyone on the team in one shot except for maybe Surfer.

Superman WILL take down this team in seconds, and it will only take seconds due to Surfer.

In "seconds" Phoenix would've had a chance to mindrape Superman. Her telekinesis can also be used to slow him down.

How is Superman taking out Surfer?

Originally posted by Placidity
No, I am perfectly good at comprehending logic. You on the other hand, are not very good at debating without being a jerk with people with different viewpoints.

In "seconds" Phoenix would've had a chance to mindrape Superman. Her telekinesis can also be used to slow him down.

How is Superman taking out Surfer?

I do not think you read my post correctly.

Jean would be dead in under a second, everyone but Surfer would be.

By knocking him off his board and punching him to shit.

Originally posted by ThunderGodEneru
Nah, I'm the nicest guy ever, you're the jerk. 🙂

Originally posted by ThunderGodEneru

Jean would be dead in under a second, everyone but Surfer would be.

By knocking him off his board and punching him to shit.

You didn't address any points I've made reagarding Phoenix.

How did you come to the conclusion that Surfer can be knocked off his board by anything other than a tachylon pulse with a very specific frequency?

Did you know Surfer can merge completely with his board?

Did you know Surfer can become intangible?