Dante is fast, I'm not disputing that as we've seen him in bullet time, but not so mcuh faster than Link to make this as hard for him as that. Dante is essentially forced to kill Link with a thousand small cuts, each requiring a solid hit from Dante on an opponent well versed in a fighting style designed to beat his own. (Sword and sheild vs two hander, which excelled at breaking polearm formations, but was outmatched by sword and shield.) Link also has reflexes atleast on par with the speed of sound, as evidenced by his fight with Majora as a child, and the sheild would make defending against Dante much less difficult.
This is far from spite in either direction because the characters involved are possessed of extremes, but I think this is in Link's advantage.
If Link's forced to use Nayru's love, he can stop to play his ocarina and slow time. (TGE doesn't have me convinced somethign so integral to the game is an easter egg, but feel free to debate this point.) Which would make Link appear MUCH faster to Dante. [The song makes time flow at half speed, thus making Dante seem 50% as fast as he is, and Link 200% his normal speed, conversely, this power has no time limit and doesn't end until Link plays the ocarina again... Essentially it doubles Link's speed, which is already in the level of supersonic reaction time.]
and casting Nayru's love does infact take a short time, and is not instant, but ending it is instant and at will to prevent wastign magic, and Link can regain magic easily.
The real reason I say this is Link's favour is that Link can tank alot of Dante's damage for awhile, and just one hit will cause Dante alot of damage and alot of pain. [Regen doesn't = durability] Enough to give him pause, and then another blow will follow, and then another, until Dante is beyond repair. [Link's no slouch, and half his gameplay is based on striking when the boss is stunned/weakened xD]
Dante is hard to kill because of his insane regen, which doesn't stop him from taking innitial damage from Link's incredible strength and magic sword, and thus losing momentum to pain and the innertia of Link's attacks.
I'm glad you decided to continue the debate man, I've enjoyed it thus far.
--I've had to split this into two posts because it was greater than 10,000 characters.--
Originally posted by k1Lla441
Please dont pick apart my threads, argue it as a whole. Ok, let me rephrase that, yamato was one of few swords to do any actual damage to him. Rebellion added damage to what was already done from yamato, it wasnt mainly from rebellion. But again, that wasnt really the basis of my arguement. Ill sum it up like this: Dante, with his excellent speed and agility, including the fact that he has quicksilver, is [b]more than fast enough to get around, by, or through links defense and kill him. Those "scythes" may be grunt weapons, be he got impaled several times at once, and one directly through the chest. And if he can regenerate from all those swords impaling, its would be nearly impossible to skim dante even one time due to his tremendous speed advantage over link, let alone completely impale him.
Well firstly I'm glad we can get that sword durability bit out of the way. As for the scythes, again, those are grunt weapons, let them not factor into this any longer as they have apparent special quality to them.
I'll sum up my stance on the argument as well. Link has an amazing strength and durability advantage over Dante as well as a defensive advantage with his shields such as the mirror shield. His style since it will be more defense based does not require that he have to keep up Dante in pure speed, rather he keep in check his movements and act accordingly. Via one notable feat as far as agility and reflexes go he should be able to keep up with Dante's attacks. I'll get to that soon
Magic armor wears out, giants mask can only be used against that one specific boss iirc, and the cape(does it have a limit, or does it take some kind of energy, like magic?) would probably be the only slight problem, but then again dante could just slow time with any one of his time controlling abilites and shot gun all around him till he finds link. Not so hard. Even in majoras form, dante is faster than him iirc, from what ive seen from majora. And Link may have super human skin, but there is no way he could tank a direct shot from rebellion witht the strength that dantes has, which, ill admit, isnt as strong as links or near it, but is strong enough to pierce links skin. Easily. And for naryus love(which you didnt mention, im just taking out all possible options for link) unless it works in an instant, which iirc it hasnt, then all dante has to look out for is a sign that hes going to activate it, then speed blitz him and end the fight.Already stated above, link is to slow to land one shot of any kind of dante. /thread any disagreement to this is just blindly denying the truth, and if you would like to prove that link wont get impaled by a guy much faster than him and has a stopping force of a couple hundred tons (if thats how much savior weighs, it may be more or less).
Magic armor is just a precaution, as I am confident Link will be fine with most of Dante's arsenal anyway. As for the prevalence of the useage of the Giant's Mask and the limits of the cape, I do not remember specifically, we can ask ScreamPaste.
As for the reflexes feat that I mentioned earlier, it has to do with Link's fight against Majora. Majora's final form has two incredibly long tendrils (I'd say at least 40 feet each) that he/she uses in the same manner as whips. As you know, the tips of a whip when used break the sound barrier, and being that the whips in question here are 40 feet long, those 'tips' would be accordingly large as well. (The tip moves twice as fast the the loop itself but that's just to show that it's not just the tip moving at incredible speed)
Anyway, Link had to defend against attacks of such speed one way or another, so that once again demonstrates his superhuman reflexes. Hell there are plenty of beings in DMC that don't move quite as fast as that.
Now, on to Dante piercing Link's skin with one of his swords. Firstly let's go ahead and attribute Dante to have a couple hundred tons of stopping power.(as you say it maybe more or less) We already have a good gauge of what he can do with a sword when comparing destructive feats against like material across both games. Such as stone. And unfortunately what Dante has shown is much less than what Link has shrugged off already. Dante with his attributed strength has only been shown cleanly cutting through stone, Ganon on the other hand can already bring down a castle with his fists in his humanoid form and disintegrate beings with punches and in his beast form was shown disintegrating castle stone with his weapons. Not simply cutting, disintegrating. Link took an attack of that magnitude and shrugged it off.
Furthermore in Majora's Mask (btw just in case you didn't know OoT and M's M have the same Link) Link defeated Majora in the center of the moon. Majora's body exploding destroyed the entire moon and Link was in the very center of this blast. (He is shown standing in the same frame as an exploding Majora so we know he did not escape.) After the destruction of the moon Link is shown to have fallen back down to Earth and then he came to after at most a day of being unconscious--it said the 'Dawn of a New Day' just before he woke up--but this could also just be figurative language (just to mean the threat of destruction was over) and not literal language because it was still daylight when the moon was destroyed and daylight still when Link woke up so he was possibly unconscious for just a few minutes as well.
Anyway Link survived a point blank radius explosion that destroyed a moon and subsequently survived a long fall back to Earth. (I'd estimate it was at least a 2,000 foot fall or maybe a little higher at half a mile) This is all while he's kid Link mind you. Needless to say no one in DMC has demonstrated destructive power on par with a moon explosion.
If dante can take a couple of those, one being directly through the chest, and act like it was nothing, then i can gaurantee you he can take a shot from link, and thats if he can even land a hit on him, which is pretty much near impossible.
Like Paste said, regeneration does not equal durability. Dante will be hurt by Link's blows. Badly. Even if he is able to recover from them for awhile.
"dante has shown that he gets slowed down even when attacked once by a powerful attack"- thats just the thing, he wont get hit by link. Not even a few times, your smart enough to know that, dante is just too fast and has too many time controlling abilites, and if all else fails, can activate dt which makes him pretty much go crazy. By the time dante gets tired link would already be dead. Easily.
There are slower beings than Link that have been able to tag Dante IIRC. Link being on the defensive will make sure that Dante comes to him, seeing as bullets won't harm Link, Dante will try his hand up close eventually. Dante has limits to his time controlling abilities and Link has them as well, (although they are not instant, Link does still have the immense durability advantage to be ok.)
Even if Dante evades most of Link's attacks for awhile, Dante will slow down as he tires. And then it becomes a matter of what lasts longer, Dante's stamina or Link's durability? I will side with Link's durability as by feats alone I've yet to see what Dante can do with his arsenal that can match let alone exceed what Link has already taken. But, I still give Dante some benefit of the doubt with his Desperation Devil Trigger attacks from DMC 2, the huge beam attack maybe able to harm Link, but since it is not instant nor is it immediately reusable, Nayru's love can be used in this situation. Even if it hits Link, it is unlikely to one shot him.
I never said you didnt, i was just stating it myself. redundancy, to me, is the key to mindlessly beat something into someones head.Let me put it like this: the wieght of savior alone is an impressive feat for a speed based guy. This would make perfect sense to say and debate with if dante and link were the same speed, but unforunately, there not even close. And savior did throw a punch, even if it didnt add much, it still added some force.
Dante was always meant to be superhuman in all aspects, not just a speedster so I don't necessarily see the meaning of your statement here.
Again, Savior's punches were only shown causing craters in the ground, humanoid Gerudo form Ganon can outdo that.
Based on speed alone, dante wins this. There is nothing link will or can to do stop him, everything link has is based on limits, everything he has, has a limit to it, which all dante has to do is wait a lil for it to wear out, and quicksilver, speed blitz, and fights over. And for a speed based guy he isnt so weak himself, either. [/B]
Limits sure, but Dante's limits is what hurts him here as well. Link's limits as far as strength (at least with the gauntlets) and Link's limits with his durability are still far higher than Dante's demonstrated limits in either category. All the while Link still has demonstrated superhuman reaction time that while may not be on par with Dante's is fast enough to not be outclassed and blitzed.--Especially since Link's style will be more defensive as opposed to offensive which means he effectively has to use less movement to deal with attacks. He does not need to be on par with Dante's speed if he's fighting defensively. Now, were his fighting style more similar to Dante's in using a two handed offensive style then the speed disparity becomes more of an issue.
Overall, I'm calling a Link victory in a battle of attrition that will slowly whittle Dante's stamina down. Via Link's immense durability feats.
Originally posted by Burning thought
Ive not read the thread, but what can Link to against Dantes time powers?
Well I stated how if the two came across each other, neither would know of the others powers and abilities.
So it would be common for Dante to Shoot first and think later, which Link could use his Shield to deflect the bullets or dodge and while on the run cast 'Spell'.
Link casts Spell.
Dante is now a Bot
He is only capable of doing what a Bot can do.
Explain how you could escape this? Because frankly you haven't and he would simply be squished into a nothing left but jelly based residue.
Even the man of Steel, Superman is weak and vulnerable to magic
(don't get me started on comics, I W I N )
as much as that is legit and fair, I must agree that it is pretty over powered. But as for Dante's time bending, does he simply buff himself to be faster? or does he manipulate things to be slower, because Link has a spell to reflect the effects of other abilities on him not to mention I'm pretty sure the Bubble of Nayru's love would be able to have the same properties.
Edit: I also think earlier some one suggested to limit this to A link to the past; Link. In which case, casting Ether immediately imbolizes and paraylzes Dante in his tracks. It's a wide ranged AOE, instant cast after all as well.
hmm, Link with his reflect spell, Kain with his repel spell flinging spells at eachother with Sephiroth in the middle...hmm....
Anyway back on topic...I guess in the case of them not knowing of eachother ,although in most debates I am apart of in here, the personality of a character does not come into context, they just use their most powerful powers and abilities to defeat their opponents.
Originally posted by CosmicComet
I'm glad you decided to continue the debate man, I've enjoyed it thus far.--I've had to split this into two posts because it was greater than 10,000 characters.--
Well firstly I'm glad we can get that sword durability bit out of the way. As for the scythes, again, those are grunt weapons, let them not factor into this any longer as they have apparent special quality to them.
I'll sum up my stance on the argument as well. Link has an amazing strength and durability advantage over Dante as well as a defensive advantage with his shields such as the mirror shield. His style since it will be more defense based does not require that he have to keep up Dante in pure speed, rather he keep in check his movements and act accordingly. Via one notable feat as far as agility and reflexes go he should be able to keep up with Dante's attacks. I'll get to that soon
I was just using the fact that even though they were grunt weapons, he did get stabbed multiple times, one being directly through the chest, and act as if nothing had happened. We can stop this part here.
All the mirror shield does is reflect light iirc, which doesnt do much. Strength, yes, link dominates dante in this category. Link also has great durability, i cant argue that as well. But he does have to worry about dantes speed, which he trumps link in. Dante doesnt win much in reaction time, but with qs or some other time manipulating technique, it would make dante multiple times faster, which would be a big problem for link, even in a defensive state. If you havent already, I think you should state that notable feat, becuase even if link keeps himself in check, it wount make any difference because the speed difference between the two with qs activated too much for link to do absolutely anything.
Originally posted by CosmicComet
Magic armor is just a precaution, as I am confident Link will be fine with most of Dante's arsenal anyway. As for the prevalence of the useage of the Giant's Mask and the limits of the cape, I do not remember specifically, we can ask ScreamPaste.As for the reflexes feat that I mentioned earlier, it has to do with Link's fight against Majora. Majora's final form has two incredibly long tendrils (I'd say at least 40 feet each) that he/she uses in the same manner as whips. As you know, the tips of a whip when used break the sound barrier, and being that the whips in question here are 40 feet long, those 'tips' would be accordingly large as well. (The tip moves twice as fast the the loop itself but that's just to show that it's not just the tip moving at incredible speed)
Seems to me like all of links "strenghts" have dantes speed as a weakness. I never actually got the magic armor in tp, but how long does it take to actually get on? Just like naryus love, Unless it takes well under an instant, then Hes dead. One sign of him trying to equip it gives dante the green flag to attack. I remember perfectly fine about the giants mask, was not allowable outside the boss' chamber (of the fourth temple iirc). I think he said something about the cape taking magic. Another limit that he would have to work around, and good luck to him getting it on because it has the same weakness as naryus love and his magic armor.
Your correct, but it seems to me that your underestimating the power of qs. Heres a video to help you remember 🙂 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ItTtRm6sZks
At around 45 it seems like it stops time completely, but around 1:00 you can see that the rocks are slightly moving, barely noticeable, all while he walked away at normal speed. Link reaction time would not nearly be slowed to that extent, but slow enough that dante could just breeze by his defense and impale him. Doesnt really matter about that majora feat, its a good one, but unless i see him move im thinking about 30 times faster than dantes normal reaction feats, then its pointless because qs will just negate it.
Originally posted by CosmicComet
Anyway, Link had to defend against attacks of such speed one way or another, so that once again demonstrates his superhuman reflexes. Hell there are plenty of beings in DMC that don't move quite as fast as that.Now, on to Dante piercing Link's skin with one of his swords. Firstly let's go ahead and attribute Dante to have a couple hundred tons of stopping power.(as you say it maybe more or less) We already have a good gauge of what he can do with a sword when comparing destructive feats against like material across both games. Such as stone. And unfortunately what Dante has shown is much less than what Link has shrugged off already. Dante with his attributed strength has only been shown cleanly cutting through stone, Ganon on the other hand can already bring down a castle with his fists in his humanoid form and disintegrate beings with punches and in his beast form was shown disintegrating castle stone with his weapons. Not simply cutting, disintegrating. Link took an attack of that magnitude and shrugged it off.
Vergil has some pretty good strength feats that dante was able to match up too. He deflected bullets with his sword, shot them back at dante and he cut them in half. He hit them back fast enough it looked and sounded like an actual bullet.
Ok, you pretty much just dont understand the logic of physics (or whatever the hell you call it) because what your saying doesnt make sense. When link took that attack, unless it was the tip of gannons sword directly to the stomach or back, then its not nearly as strong. Force is multplied when its put onto one point, rather it being a flat surface. An example would be like those people who lay on needles and everyone watches them and they look so amazing, but in actuallity it doesnt really hurt them, the fact that there laying on multiple needles evens out the force pushed on the body, so it doesnt hurt. Now if the person were to lay on just 1 needle, i can gaurantee you they would be screaming there head off because all the force is focused to one point. Unless link took an impaleing from gannon from some kind of object with a point (a charge, tackle, punch, push, ram, kick does not count) likd a sword, directly to the stomack or back from ganon, and it did not phase him, then your absolutely correct, but i dont ever recall that happeneing. Piercing skin with a sharp sword, coming form a guy who has the stopping power of hundreds of tons, would be disastrous to link. Now if dante were to apply that same force to a punch, im pretty sure link would be able to tank it. But a sword is a whole different story.
Originally posted by CosmicComet
Furthermore in Majora's Mask (btw just in case you didn't know OoT and M's M have the same Link) Link defeated Majora in the center of the moon. Majora's body exploding destroyed the entire moon and Link was in the very center of this blast. (He is shown standing in the same frame as an exploding Majora so we know he did not escape.) After the destruction of the moon Link is shown to have fallen back down to Earth and then he came to after at most a day of being unconscious--it said the 'Dawn of a New Day' just before he woke up--but this could also just be figurative language (just to mean the threat of destruction was over) and not literal language because it was still daylight when the moon was destroyed and daylight still when Link woke up so he was possibly unconscious for just a few minutes as well.Anyway Link survived a point blank radius explosion that destroyed a moon and subsequently survived a long fall back to Earth. (I'd estimate it was at least a 2,000 foot fall or maybe a little higher at half a mile) This is all while he's kid Link mind you. Needless to say no one in DMC has demonstrated destructive power on par with a moon explosion.
Originally posted by CosmicComet
Surely you aren't suggesting what I think? That the Master Sword only has as much power as those ghoul scythes? Well I'm sure you don't mean that, but there is no way Dante will be able to simply ignore (if that's what you meant by 'take a shot'😉 a shot from the Master Sword when (not if ) he gets hit. Seeing as by feats alone the Master Sword has harmed someone with FAR greater durability than Dante and actual immortality. Talking about Ganon of course.Like Paste said, regeneration does not equal durability. Dante will be hurt by Link's blows. Badly. Even if he is able to recover from them for awhile.
Damn, 12k characters, i had to split it too, 😆
Originally posted by CosmicComet
Limits sure, but Dante's limits is what hurts him here as well. Link's limits as far as strength (at least with the gauntlets) and Link's limits with his durability are still far higher than Dante's demonstrated limits in either category. All the while Link still has demonstrated superhuman reaction time that while may not be on par with Dante's is fast enough to not be outclassed and blitzed.--Especially since Link's style will be more defensive as opposed to offensive which means he effectively has to use less movement to deal with attacks. He does not need to be on par with Dante's speed if he's fighting defensively. Now, were his fighting style more similar to Dante's in using a two handed offensive style then the speed disparity becomes more of an issue.Overall, I'm calling a Link victory in a battle of attrition that will slowly whittle Dante's stamina down. Via Link's immense durability feats.
Dantes limits are items that only need to be used for a short time, there only meant to be used for a short time. Links on the other hand are to slow to be activated (or equipped), and for that reason link cant keep putting on and taking off stuff the whole match, and add on the fact that his items have limits, and for the record most of those items take away from the same bar (not necassarily a "bar", more like a limit to his magic) except the magic armor (from tp), so he has to use many items which almost all of them take from the same thing (magic). Should go away pretty fast, seeing as only three things take away from dantes magic, dt, qs, doppleganger, and he only really needs to use the former two, and not for that long.
Dante can not outclass link or blitz him regularly, he is faster, but not fast enough to do that. But then again thats what qs is for. It would slow his movement tremendously while not affecting dante at all, it would seem as if dante would be moving at mach speeds, or more, he would be hardly visible too link, if visible at all.
Dantes excellent speed in normal speed and reaction time, magic, and a good chunk of strength mixed in with qs, skill, and regeneration are more than enough to take link down.
Originally posted by CosmicComet
There are slower beings than Link that have been able to tag Dante IIRC. Link being on the defensive will make sure that Dante comes to him, seeing as bullets won't harm Link, Dante will try his hand up close eventually. Dante has limits to his time controlling abilities and Link has them as well, (although they are not instant, Link does still have the immense durability advantage to be ok.)Even if Dante evades most of Link's attacks for awhile, Dante will slow down as he tires. And then it becomes a matter of what lasts longer, Dante's stamina or Link's durability? I will side with Link's durability as by feats alone I've yet to see what Dante can do with his arsenal that can match let alone exceed what Link has already taken. But, I still give Dante some benefit of the doubt with his Desperation Devil Trigger attacks from DMC 2, the huge beam attack maybe able to harm Link, but since it is not instant nor is it immediately reusable, Nayru's love can be used in this situation. Even if it hits Link, it is unlikely to one shot him.
Dante wont tire, as the fight would be over by then. Him being as fast as he is, it doesnt take that much thought, make a plan, and blitz in with qs. That doenst take any waiting at all, the fight wont last long.
Originally posted by CosmicComet
Dante was always meant to be superhuman in all aspects, not just a speedster so I don't necessarily see the meaning of your statement here.Again, Savior's punches were only shown causing craters in the ground, humanoid Gerudo form Ganon can outdo that.
He is superhuman in all aspects, but more associated with speed than anything. On a scale of all his skills, speed (in movements and reactions) is the skill where he really shines.
He is still heavy, and put force into the punch, which could only add on to what is already a couple hundred ton beast.
Lol, I'm pretty much ready for bed myself and will post more tomorrow but right now I'd like to make a quick response to Killa. (Who didn't respond to my post, btw D: )
One reason Link's never been impaled is because naturally Nintendo doesn't want that seen, but really, so far nothing has shown that capability. Ganon in his beast form was disintegrating stone with the blades of his massive swords, which were quite sharp and would infact have the very effect you spoke of, Killa, concernign a large amount of force on a small area due to the way a blade works.. Ganon in this form is much stronger than even Link, and Link managed to not only survive but shrug off such blows. Dante is strong, and he has a sword, but I have a hard time believing he can do what Ganon cannot. Nayru's love takes a moment to cast, but not a long moment, and the benefits of this spell outweigh the minor damage he'd take casting it, from here he can safely slow time to half speed with the ocarina, and has an at will switch for Nayru's love.
Once time is slowed and Link seems double his already respectable speed Dante will -need- QS to avoid getting tagged, and Link can use Nayru's love ot wait it out, imo.
Concerning the master sword's power blocking abilities as they function on Ganon and other evil beings, I'm not sure how it'd work on Dante. It's a very powerful weapon, but it might be a bit picky about who it power blocks, whether it trusts Link's judgement or has a mind of it's own is unknown, lol. [The effects of the master sword can be seen at the end of Twilight Princess when Ganon goes inert with the sword through his chest, it essentially turns off his power, including even the triforce, incredible, right?] IF it does work on Dante, and I'm not sure if it would, but it might, this becomes much harder for him, if it doesn't, it's still a formiidable weapon.
I also am glad this debate is gong on, despite it's rocky start off with Facist it's gotten enjoyable, lol.
It's going to be a pain to try to break this up into pieces, so I'm going to try a different approach.
Originally posted by k1Lla441
Me too, i havent had a debate like this in a long time. Its pretty much just down to me, you, and screampaste, good luck.I was just using the fact that even though they were grunt weapons, he did get stabbed multiple times, one being directly through the chest, and act as if nothing had happened. We can stop this part here.
1. All the mirror shield does is reflect light iirc, which doesnt do much. Strength, yes, link dominates dante in this category. Link also has great durability, i cant argue that as well. But he does have to worry about dantes speed, which he trumps link in. Dante doesnt win much in reaction time, but with qs or some other time manipulating technique, it would make dante multiple times faster, which would be a big problem for link, even in a defensive state. If you havent already, I think you should state that notable feat, becuase even if link keeps himself in check, it wount make any difference because the speed difference between the two with qs activated too much for link to do absolutely anything.
Seems to me like all of links "strenghts" have dantes speed as a weakness. I never actually got the magic armor in tp, but how long does it take to actually get on? Just like naryus love, Unless it takes well under an instant, then Hes dead. One sign of him trying to equip it gives dante the green flag to attack. I remember perfectly fine about the giants mask, was not allowable outside the boss' chamber (of the fourth temple iirc). I think he said something about the cape taking magic. Another limit that he would have to work around, and good luck to him getting it on because it has the same weakness as naryus love and his magic armor.
Your correct, but it seems to me that your underestimating the power of qs. Heres a video to help you remember 🙂 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ItTtRm6sZks
At around 45 it seems like it stops time completely, but around 1:00 you can see that the rocks are slightly moving, barely noticeable, all while he walked away at normal speed. Link reaction time would not nearly be slowed to that extent, but slow enough that dante could just breeze by his defense and impale him. Doesnt really matter about that majora feat, its a good one, but unless i see him move im thinking about 30 times faster than dantes normal reaction feats, then its pointless because qs will just negate it.
Vergil has some pretty good strength feats that dante was able to match up too. He deflected bullets with his sword, shot them back at dante and he cut them in half. He hit them back fast enough it looked and sounded like an actual bullet.
2. Ok, you pretty much just dont understand the logic of physics (or whatever the hell you call it) because what your saying doesnt make sense. When link took that attack, unless it was the tip of gannons sword directly to the stomach or back, then its not nearly as strong. Force is multplied when its put onto one point, rather it being a flat surface. An example would be like those people who lay on needles and everyone watches them and they look so amazing, but in actuallity it doesnt really hurt them, the fact that there laying on multiple needles evens out the force pushed on the body, so it doesnt hurt. Now if the person were to lay on just 1 needle, i can gaurantee you they would be screaming there head off because all the force is focused to one point. Unless link took an impaleing from gannon from some kind of object with a point (a charge, tackle, punch, push, ram, kick does not count) likd a sword, directly to the stomack or back from ganon, and it did not phase him, then your absolutely correct, but i dont ever recall that happeneing. Piercing skin with a sharp sword, coming form a guy who has the stopping power of hundreds of tons, would be disastrous to link. Now if dante were to apply that same force to a punch, im pretty sure link would be able to tank it. But a sword is a whole different story.
All this is pretty much summed up in the paragraph above, he does have great durablity feats but the tip of a sword and all his force applied to just one single spot is completely different than a fall from a moon that exploded. Much different.
2. No no no no no, not even. Im just saying that the odds of link getting a good shot on dante are horrible for link (and thats not including qs), and lets just say he did get a good shot, he would be able to survive the wound and keep on fighting. Not as easily as those scythes, no... but he can take a sword impaling here and there. Just like the one nero threw at him at the beginning of dmc 4, rebellion is a pretty thick sword, and nero did throw it pretty fast, and dante came out of that fine. It would hurt him, but would not kill him, which is all that really matters.
1. Mirror's Shield was also used for Majora's beam/flame attack thing as well. QuickSilver seems to be one of your few sticking points for Dante in this battle. But seriously Link still has the inverted song of time for this to slow time down. You may think it is slow to activate, but you have to consider that the LoZ series by the mechanics alone is a slower paced game anyway. We've established that Link in the canon itself has superhuman speed and especially reflexes so that eliminates much of that concern of start up time. Link won't take much of anytime to use the song based on this concept. There is also the possibility that simply pulling out the ocarina of time slows down time around Link, but that is speculation for now, I am trying to verify it for sure. Quicksilver is limited either in area and/or time. Link's inverted song of time lasts as long as Link wants it to on the other hand. At best their time manipulation powers will cancel each other out in a clash.
2. What? Physics? Seriously let's not get into accusing each other of lacking knowledge on anything yet. There was nothing I said that warranted my knowledge of physics to be insulted/questioned. When I said 'pierce' Link's skin, that was simply general semantics. I meant breaking the skin period. Not just with an impaling motion.
Obviously an impalement has more pressure behind it because it's all the energy being focused into one small tip. An impalement is also more deadly than a slash that only leaves a flesh wound.
But it is not more deadly than huge cleaving, debilitating slash. Would you rather be impaled with a chance of still being whole or being slashed in half?
Anyway the notion that Dante trying to impale Link would have multiply the pressure vs him trying to slash Link is moot because whatever the method Dante's slash/stab feats (with his attributed strength of a couple hundred tons) don't come close to Ganon (I'm not even going to try to guess his strength level) in beast form with his huge, heavy bladed weapons (much larger and heavier than Dante's of course) simply disintegrating stone with slashes. Link shrugged off that level of power, sure Ganon attempting to stab Link would have yielded more of an effect but it wouldn't have one-shotted him if his best slash couldn't even do that. That much is certain.
Hell if we want to talk about physics for a sec let's talk about real swords. Swords and other sharp blades aren't made for cutting through dense, hard material like stone. Blades are made for cutting, you guessed it, flesh and softer materials. The sharper the sword is, the more detrimental it is to being used against hard, dense material. Katanas are noted for the hardness and sharpness of their blades, both qualities of which lead to the blade actually being somewhat brittle. Hell, katanas often broke or chipped against the leather armor of the Mongol soldiers. Pure blunt force is needed for dense material like rock, armor etc. Of course I mean all this just with human level strength. Supposedly a tornado can make even something as light as straw embed itself in a tree. But my main point is that I see Dante slashing/stabbing Link about the same as I do a normal man trying to cut stone/armor. (sans Dante's weapons breaking) Extrapolated by Link's incredible durability displays, this is an accurate assessment. Seeing as Dante's best slashing/impaling feats is breaching and cutting through stone slabs, and Link obviously being A LOT more durable than any stone slab...I could theoretically say that stating Dante can cut/pierce Link would be a no limits fallacy. 😉
Secondly I'm not sure but I think you misunderstood the feat I recounted. He didn't just fall from a moon that was exploding. He utterly TANKED the moon's explosion while he was stuck in the center of it with Majora. Then he fell maybe half a mile from the point of the explosion to the ground. He was unconscious only for at maximum one day, as well. Again, this is simply Kid Link. Adult Link would be what, twice as durable? Thrice? And that's just being conservative.
Yes taking a slash/impalement from from a being with possible 100 ton class strength is different to taking a point blank/center explosion that destroys a 73, 500,000,000,000,000,000 ton moon. It is different yes, and it is also a much much much much much much lesser test of durability.
Even thinking back to smaller, more realistic scale, if you personally were durable enough take a direct grenade launcher explosion and be completely fine, you wouldn't have to worry about someone swinging a sword at you. The blade would simply snap on contact.
3. It doesn't have to kill Dante in one hit. The point is it can hurt seeing as blades with lesser power have hurt Dante/Vergil. (Whether by impalement or a slash)
Honestly man I almost think that you are debating now for Dante because you feel you have to. You don't have to man. Link can win this and win this very comfortably. Very.
I really hate saying it because it is so over the top that it hurts my head, but Dante can't hurt Link. He just can't. He doesn't have the feats that come close to demonstrating that he can even breach Link's skin let alone kill him. Blame the moon explosion tanking feat for existing because it just puts Link on another level. And that's no joke, there is no joke about stating that Link can tank Dante's weaponry in whatever fashion he uses them (going back to that slashing/impalement distinction and whatever other possibilities exist with his other weapons) because Dante just doesn't have the feats to demonstrate he can hurt Link. It's no joke, that's just the truth based on current feats.
Nayru's love activates very quickly even in a mechanically slower paced game, it would be even faster in canon time being that we know of Link's great relative speed. Also, in canon the spell does not need to be 'equipped' as it's not even a tangible item, it is just represented as such for the game's specific mechanics. The spell is actually in Link's ability to free cast as it is something he knows. After using Nayru's love Link can drink some Chateau Romani and have infinite magic for at least three whole days. Which means at least three whole days of Nayru's Love in effect. He can then play the inverted song of time at his complete leisure and that would eliminate/cancel out Dante's one trump card QS since the song of inverted song of time lasts as long as you want. Not to mention after he drinks chateau romani he can transform into Fierce Deity which canonically amps up all his abilities to I don't know exactly how the hell high....all I know is that Major becomes an absolute push over with that mask. And from that form he can spam the hell out of waves of energy slashes from the sword if Dante decides to back away to long range. Link can win this either in a long battle of attrition if they both only use their default equipment/abilities or he can take this brutally if they both use everything in their arsenal.