Dante vs Link

Originally posted by CosmicComet
Then he fell maybe half a mile from the point of the explosion to the ground. He was unconscious only for at maximum one day, as well.

not really even a maximum of a day, 24 hours, which is actual Canon labeling in time. Since you have 72 hours to complete the game it states. But with the Moon destroyed, that would mean the Sun would be dominate in the sky, immediately bringing on the "A Dawn of a new Day" since....the Day and Night is measured by the pattern of Moon and Sun.

But also, the moon was already falling to the planet so it wasn't in normal alignment any how. So, Link could of literally been out for only a few minutes, perhaps 2 and that is more believable with the scene since the giants that were holding up the moon while exploded were still in the general area walking away and the skull kid, the 2 fairies Talt and Tael...so yeah....

Link took a point blank radius explosion in the moon, fell that distance, and woke up in about 2 minutes time roughly.

^ I noted that in an earlier post that it could have been only a few minutes as well yes.

As a quick fix in the name of correctness and fairness, the weight of the real moon, which I gave, would be quite a bit heavier than the moon in Majora's Mask.

My point in that particular part of the post stands though.

Originally posted by CosmicComet
Honestly man I almost think that you are debating now for Dante because you feel you have to. You don't have to man. Link can win this and win this very comfortably. Very.

I really hate saying it because it is so over the top that it hurts my head, but Dante can't hurt Link. He just can't. He doesn't have the feats that come close to demonstrating that he can even breach Link's skin let alone kill him. Blame the moon explosion tanking feat for existing because it just puts Link on another level. And that's no joke, there is no joke about stating that Link can tank Dante's weaponry in whatever fashion he uses them (going back to that slashing/impalement distinction and whatever other possibilities exist with his other weapons) because Dante just doesn't have the feats to demonstrate he can hurt Link. It's no joke, that's just the truth based on current feats.

Nayru's love activates very quickly even in a mechanically slower paced game, it would be even faster in canon time being that we know of Link's great relative speed. Also, in canon the spell does not need to be 'equipped' as it's not even a tangible item, it is just represented as such for the game's specific mechanics. The spell is actually in Link's ability to free cast as it is something he knows. After using Nayru's love Link can drink some Chateau Romani and have infinite magic for at least three whole days. Which means at least three whole days of Nayru's Love in effect. He can then play the inverted song of time at his complete leisure and that would eliminate/cancel out Dante's one trump card QS since the song of inverted song of time lasts as long as you want. Not to mention after he drinks chateau romani he can transform into Fierce Deity which canonically amps up all his abilities to I don't know exactly how the hell high....all I know is that Major becomes an absolute push over with that mask. And from that form he can spam the hell out of waves of energy slashes from the sword if Dante decides to back away to long range. Link can win this either in a long battle of attrition if they both only use their default equipment/abilities or he can take this brutally if they both use everything in their arsenal.

I dont have to, or feel i have to, argue for dante, in any way. Ive actually know link longer, ive played pretty much all his games at one point or another since ocarina of time came out (a lil on n64 and mostly on gamecube). And if you felt a lil insulted about the whole "physics" thing, i didnt mean to offend you. Sorry if i i did. As for this and the rest of the other post.. ill get back to it tommorrow.

@screampaste: kinda cant argue in this thread, i dont go on a lot in the day and the little time i do have i reply to cc, and look at a couple other threads.

Well by the 'feel you have to' bit I was just implying that it seems like you like Link more than Dante but are arguing against Link because you just feel he can't win. You know?

Originally posted by CosmicComet
Well by the 'feel you have to' bit I was just implying that it seems like you like Link more than Dante but are arguing against Link because you just feel he can't win. You know?

I get what your saying, its just the way the whole thing will work out in my mind.. it makes perfect sense to me (note the key word "me"😉. Ill Reply to your other post tomorrow, but its probably going to end with my same judgement agianst your same judgement. Trust me, if you find a point where you havent covered yet, im not stubborn, ill concede, but i have yet to see any so called item/magic to turn the tide in links favor.

Alright. Gotcha.

Originally posted by CosmicComet
It's going to be a pain to try to break this up into pieces, so I'm going to try a different approach.

1. Mirror's Shield was also used for Majora's beam/flame attack thing as well. QuickSilver seems to be one of your few sticking points for Dante in this battle. But seriously Link still has the inverted song of time for this to slow time down. You may think it is slow to activate, but you have to consider that the LoZ series by the mechanics alone is a slower paced game anyway. We've established that Link in the canon itself has superhuman speed and especially reflexes so that eliminates much of that concern of start up time. Link won't take much of anytime to use the song based on this concept. There is also the possibility that simply pulling out the ocarina of time slows down time around Link, but that is speculation for now, I am trying to verify it for sure. Quicksilver is limited either in area and/or time. Link's inverted song of time lasts as long as Link wants it to on the other hand. At best their time manipulation powers will cancel each other out in a clash.

2. What? Physics? Seriously let's not get into accusing each other of lacking knowledge on anything yet. There was nothing I said that warranted my knowledge of physics to be insulted/questioned. When I said 'pierce' Link's skin, that was simply general semantics. I meant breaking the skin period. Not just with an impaling motion.

3.Obviously an impalement has more pressure behind it because it's all the energy being focused into one small tip. An impalement is also more deadly than a slash that only leaves a flesh wound.

But it is not more deadly than huge cleaving, debilitating slash. Would you rather be impaled with a chance of still being whole or being slashed in half?

4.Anyway the notion that Dante trying to impale Link would have multiply the pressure vs him trying to slash Link is moot because whatever the method Dante's slash/stab feats (with his attributed strength of a couple hundred tons) don't come close to Ganon (I'm not even going to try to guess his strength level) in beast form with his huge, heavy bladed weapons (much larger and heavier than Dante's of course) simply disintegrating stone with slashes. Link shrugged off that level of power, sure Ganon attempting to stab Link would have yielded more of an effect but it wouldn't have one-shotted him if his best slash couldn't even do that. That much is certain.

5.Hell if we want to talk about physics for a sec let's talk about real swords. Swords and other sharp blades aren't made for cutting through dense, hard material like stone. Blades are made for cutting, you guessed it, flesh and softer materials. The sharper the sword is, the more detrimental it is to being used against hard, dense material. Katanas are noted for the hardness and sharpness of their blades, both qualities of which lead to the blade actually being somewhat brittle. Hell, katanas often broke or chipped against the leather armor of the Mongol soldiers. Pure blunt force is needed for dense material like rock, armor etc. Of course I mean all this just with human level strength. Supposedly a tornado can make even something as light as straw embed itself in a tree. But my main point is that I see Dante slashing/stabbing Link about the same as I do a normal man trying to cut stone/armor. (sans Dante's weapons breaking) Extrapolated by Link's incredible durability displays, this is an accurate assessment. Seeing as Dante's best slashing/impaling feats is breaching and cutting through stone slabs, and Link obviously being A LOT more durable than any stone slab...I could theoretically say that stating Dante can cut/pierce Link would be a no limits fallacy. 😉

6.Secondly I'm not sure but I think you misunderstood the feat I recounted. He didn't just fall from a moon that was exploding. He utterly TANKED the moon's explosion while he was stuck in the center of it with Majora. Then he fell maybe half a mile from the point of the explosion to the ground. He was unconscious only for at maximum one day, as well. Again, this is simply Kid Link. Adult Link would be what, twice as durable? Thrice? And that's just being conservative.

7.Yes taking a slash/impalement from from a being with possible 100 ton class strength is different to taking a point blank/center explosion that destroys a 73, 500,000,000,000,000,000 ton moon. It is different yes, and it is also a much much much much much much lesser test of durability.

Even thinking back to smaller, more realistic scale, if you personally were durable enough take a direct grenade launcher explosion and be completely fine, you wouldn't have to worry about someone swinging a sword at you. The blade would simply snap on contact.

8.. It doesn't have to kill Dante in one hit. The point is it can hurt seeing as blades with lesser power have hurt Dante/Vergil. (Whether by impalement or a slash)

Why didnt you just do each part a different number in numeric order? like 1,2,3,4,5...? Anyways, its much easier.

1. Mirrors shield still doesnt do much more than an average shield.
Quicksilver is one of my few sticking points, your right. If he didnt have it (or some other time controlling item/power) then his speed/reaction time would not be quick enough in my opinion to get past link without getting badly injured or killed. There is no way link could activate the inverted song of time fast enough before dante could blitz him. He would then have to get back to a battle stance, and pull out his sword again. No chance. And even if he did, it only slows time by 1/2, which would hardly take anything away from qs, if you watch the vid i shown you it slow rocks that were falling from the sky to nearly stopped, so slow it looked as if they werent moving at all. It would never cancel out, the most his inverted song of time would do would barely budge the power of qs (and thats even if he could pull it out, play the song, and get back into battle position before dante got to him). This is definitely not increase links chances of winning.

2. Already apologised 🙂

3. Where does it show link getting slashed directly by ganon? If it never happened, then what was your point of mentioning this?

4. Its not moot, its simple. Link has never taken an impaling or slash directly to him from ganon iirc. So saying that "if link can take ganons attacks, it would be easy to take dantes" is truly the only thing thats moot here, becuase the type of attacks that ganon does are not nearly as deadly as the type of attacks dante would do. Dante would impale him, and like we've both agreed on, that multiplies the force of the impaler, while ganon has never impaled him nor gave link a direct slash (iirc), so to assume that link can easily with stand dantes attacks because he took ganons typical, not so deadly style attacks is absurd.

5. What do you mean "best" slashing and impaling feats? Dante is strong, not nearly as strong as link, but with his speed, combing with his strength and the fact that hes using a sword is a enough to drive through links skin. And if your trying to say that his sword would break, i dont think so, his sword has never broken before, and its no normal sword, it was given to him by his father iirc. And even if it does break, since link gets all of his abilites, so does dante, and dante has more than one sword, at one point in devil may cry he had yamato, which has much more cutting force than rebellion does, if you know your devil may cry then you would already know this.

6. I understand completely what your saying, again its COMPLETELY different than an impaling. and explosion would hit your whole body, leveling out the amount of force put on link, but like a said, putting force to a single tip multiplies it tremendously, and who know, dante could easily drive his sword through links neck which would be much easier than his back or chest.

7. Same as 6. and just for reference, could you show me the vid again, because even though i have beaten the game and have seen the scene myself, this whole thing sounds a little sketchy to me.
He wouldnt "swing" the sword, he would thrust it at him, it would be much harder to break that way, actually the only way it could break if dante directly thrusted it at him is for it to disinegrate, or smash directly inward from the tip. Yea, its not going to break.

8. Yes it does, becuase if it doesnt he can just back off for a bit while it regenerates, and it would be like as if it never happened. He would have to kill him or his efforts would be pointless.

Dante Jackpots Link. End...of...story.

#8. Since when has "lesser" power hurt Dante/Vergil? After all they ARE devil arms.

Demonic swords can cut thru almost anything in the human realm.

Originally posted by Gumachi
Dante Jackpots Link. End...of...story.

This. Is. Not. A. Power. It's something he says. Hell, look at when he and virgil team up and fire E&I together, the dialogue. "Jackpot" is somethign Dante says.

Also, the bullets do not have enough pounds per square inch of pressure to hurt Link.

@Killa, I understand your impalement argument, and the reason impalement works is because a smaller point with the same force has much higher poundage per square inch. Ultimatel that's the piercing strength of an attack. I do not believe Dante can generate the same P/SI that Ganon's sword, despite it's much larger size and slashing attack, is applying.

both attacks have the same basic principle. Force spread over a wedge or point to sheer or peirce the skin, Ganon's force is spread over a wider area, yes, but I have a very hard tiem believing that Dante's attack surpasses it in PSI simply due to the raw power behind such an insane attack as can entirely disintegrate stone, passing through it as thoguh it were not there, and without halt.

Also, the mirrosheild canonicly reflects thigns it really shoul not. Fire and ice are two examples, and they.. well aren't really thigns I'd imagine a mirror reflecting!

Originally posted by ScreamPaste
This. Is. Not. A. Power. It's something he says. Hell, look at when he and virgil team up and fire E&I together, the dialogue. "Jackpot" is somethign Dante says.

Also, the bullets do not have enough pounds per square inch of pressure to hurt Link.

@Killa, I understand your impalement argument, and the reason impalement works is because a smaller point with the same force has much higher poundage per square inch. Ultimatel that's the piercing strength of an attack. I do not believe Dante can generate the same P/SI that Ganon's sword, despite it's much larger size and slashing attack, is applying.

both attacks have the same basic principle. Force spread over a wedge or point to sheer or peirce the skin, Ganon's force is spread over a wider area, yes, but I have a very hard tiem believing that Dante's attack surpasses it in PSI simply due to the raw power behind such an insane attack as can entirely disintegrate stone, passing through it as thoguh it were not there, and without halt.

Also, the mirrosheild canonicly reflects thigns it really shoul not. Fire and ice are two examples, and they.. well aren't really thigns I'd imagine a mirror reflecting!

Originally posted by ScreamPaste
This. Is. Not. A. Power. It's something he says. Hell, look at when he and virgil team up and fire E&I together, the dialogue. "Jackpot" is somethign Dante says.

Also, the bullets do not have enough pounds per square inch of pressure to hurt Link.

Man **** that. Still can't stop it.

Originally posted by Gumachi
Man **** that. Still can't stop it.

Agreed, first I want proof the power even exists, then I want proof it can hurt Link.

Originally posted by Voyeur
proof.

Dante[and Dante could fly in the sky and shock Link to death]would drop Link like he did Despair, and before you say: "HE WON'T!!!!!!" Despair is a immaterial being. And Link doesn't even know what a gun is and he wouldn't simply see a threat. And he would just trick Link[because he doesn't know what a gun is], Link wouldn't know what it would do and get his ass blowed back to fairyland. So if it could hurt a immaterial being, please, it hurts Link. Dante is able to kill immaterial creatures in game. Those ghosts can be shot by Dante's guns. So, i'm shure it will kill a human.

Despair= A creature that embodied all the despair in the universe

Either that or he fires, link blocks with sheild, Dante jumps over, stab in the back.
Kickass.

He destroys the shield and Link at the same time. Don't forget Dante's time stop 😉 I mean his attacks simply blowed thru a immaterial being, who's to say it wouldn't ATLEAST do damage to his little shield.

Damage? ha. Your being nice.
Dante and Quick silver = u dead

I see people who didn't read the thread. 😆