Originally posted by Terryc250I explained that actually before. If you took the time to read to when I first brought up the simple mechanics of explosion radius and inertia force. I'll dumb it down quickly.
That's not an explosion, i've already debunked it in the other thread. The moon simply transforms top to bottom into a rainbow, an explosion would have an actual output of energy and would harm the nearby things. That moon transformation harmed NOTHING at all.But apparently this guy thinks Link is naturally invulnerable.
Majora exploded into a mass of pure energy. That explosion was contained with in the core of the moon. It's radius, it's aoe force and all that was canceled by inertia and carried out no more. The moon is show in slow motion being disintegrated. All the players are also reacting and moving in slow motion. The rainbow? clearly for happy ending effects.
Game play Rainbow. Explosions and force can be contained with in something. simple science is simple. What grade are you in first off? Like, not trying to be an ass. Just want to know where your level of Math, science, physics and anatomy is at. Because then that will allow me to either simply things for you or be able to go into depth.
I'm smart enough to know that there's a certain point where real-life physics do not apply to video games. The game shows the moon transmuting into a rainbow, so that's what it is. Was there an explosion? No. Does an explosion look like that? No. An explosion does not transform something from top to bottom.
Originally posted by Terryc250But we're removing these characters out of their games, their game mechanics and play and putting them into "real" situations where they'd be fighting other characters. Honestly....what did you think you were debating the whole time?
I'm smart enough to know that there's a certain point where real-life physics do not apply to video games. The game shows the moon transmuting into a rainbow, so that's what it is. Was there an explosion? No. Does an explosion look like that? No. An explosion does not transform something from top to bottom.
Ok so, you're like in high school. Umm...I can show you math and give you links to equations if there are some around. Or I'll show you by writing down my notes, ok?
You leave out the fact that before that Majora is shown exploding huh? And you're right, an explosion doesn't transform anything. I'll teach you ok if you're going to be cool about it and have an open mind and want to learn some science/math. It's boring stuff in class but I'll try to make it not so painful. So you want to see it?
if not. Concede. I mean, we do show real life physics and math and such because we're going beyond and evolving from restrictions of the game. By your way of thinking, Link should only be able to slash like he does in the game too then. ScreamPaste himself said it, you want Sephiroth to wait a turn before attacking? See. I got to drive down to check out an interview for an hour and I'll be back some other time.
Whats up with you guys? terry is right, the moon didnt explode, look at it. It evaporated, or whatever the hell you wanna call it, but the last thing that happened is that it exploded. Hell, i mean even skull kid wasnt dazed after it so called "exploded", so unless some kid took a moon explosion stronger than link did... yea it didnt explode. There was some shaking and rumbling from the mask being destroyed.. but very far from an explosion.
And voyeur you make absolutely no sense.. are you trying to imply that the moon didnt actually "explode" because of some pis? becuase that wasnt the case. not even. you dont need "math" to know that it did not explode, i mean all you need is eyesight, but then again you arent blind are you?
Cosmic asked me about this and I explained it to him, and before I loose all my effort I'll post it for you guys here. I hope this is simple enough for you guys to understand. I can go more into depth if needed but it should be very simple to understand this, so PLEASE read thoroughly.
Explosions can be contained inside the cavity of something. In this case the cavity is the hollowed out region with inside the moon. This isn't an ordinary cavity, and it in fact isn't even technically inside the Moon in question. It's a pocket universe. Created from Majora, based on his past experiences where I'd have to go in depth of his story and what he exactly is, so. Majora is a God of evil incarnate, bound to a Mask who possessed and used the Skull Kid as a puppet. He threatened to destroy the world in the past and was brought down by the rivaled powers of Fierce Deity. Exiled and ridiculed by people around him, is what drove him to want to destroy the world and grow powerful from hate. This is a miniature universe created by him.
@ start of vid and a bit in. You'll see the floating island of land you walk about with a Tree in the middle. The rest is an infinite amount of sky above, below and every where else around you. This is the pocket universe created by Majora "inside" the Moon.
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Alright, so the explosion of force that generated from Majora's own energy blasting out is contained in this pocket dimension.
So I watched the explosion again to debunk myself to prove if this isn't merely the world Majora created dissolving because he doesn't have the mental ability too hold it together any more, but it is not the case. The world is created, it stays that way and doesn't revert, even if he had just left it there. It just gets blown to kingdom come. Even if that was the case it is a clear physical reaction. He's exploding and the force is shaking the realm around him, as he clearly is breaking apart, becoming energy. And due to sound it would also be some sort of eruption. The end result being the brink of the blast radius to destroy the shell of a Moon. The force of the blast and inertia being contained inside the pocket universe, Inside the bubble of a Moon. And that shell being destroyed, showing still the force of the explosion. Because Majora didn't create the moon. He brought it down out of orbit. So the force was some type of blast that disintegrated the moon on a physical level, because simply, physical matter and objects just don't dissolve magically kids. Or as Terry puts "transmutes into a rainbow." Something needs to apply an explosive force to blow up and break something apart at the seams.
The Moon, which was a physical existing matter and not something created from Majora. And thus it would prove the moon is a bubble in which it acted as a shell containing the pocket universe destroyed by Majora's own power bursting from him and bringing down everything, resulting in the pop of the bubble the moon exploding.
i.e. The Moon is a Bubble. Something from the inside popped it with force. The force ended inside that bubble, and no further inertia is carried out.
Easily assumed the Little island of Land takes some where at the top of Moon, or at least the region of the miniature dimension where you have the final fight against Majora does. That would mean when he started to explode and the pocket universe began to shake and erupt, the top of the Moon felt the ending result first. So the bubble began to pop and break apart from where the strongest out laying force of the explosion would start, and then began onwards. The rainbow, once again is there for the "Happy ending" game play.
So Link took that explosion which brought down a pocket universe at point blank. The force of the blast carried through out and destroyed the dimension, and ended with a force so great enough to bring it's shell/the moon to dust.
side note: each of the other kids take you to Dungeons which could be sub-dimensions inside the main pocket universe.
@1:50 you can see the moon crashing through the lower atmosphere, proving it's physical and even causing the land around it to react. Showing when it was destroyed, the blast had to take some where else, e.g. the pocket universe.
@ 5:45 (you see Link enter, Skull Kid's body still laying there: Assumed he woke up during the match by Tael, & went to the Field to be safe)
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A couple of things I want to address first hand.
The inverted song of time isn't shown to slow down enemies because that would simply break the game and make it too easy as it goes on as long as you want it to. However, it DOES canonically have that capability as it does slow living beings down. Play the song in a town and the townsfolk move MUCH slower.
Secondly as Voyeur showed with the video, Skull Kid was never actually in the moon at all. The moon sucked in the mask off of him with a beam and then Link jumped in the beam and he too was sucked in. The child inside wearing the mask was an entirely different being inside Majora's created world.
Therefore Link was not aided or helped by anyone to escape following Majora's destruction.
Now on to the post.
Originally posted by k1Lla441
The eyes, neck, or temple would all be fatal and an easy way to kill/immobilize someone to end a fight. And I only used the example of a kitana becuase it was the first sword that came to mind, not becuase i thought it was a good sword. The whole fact of that was to say if certain conditions were met, then imo someone could pierce the skin of a grenade launcher tanking foe. And if this relates to how link can tank a moon explosion so you think no sword can pierce his skin, well its wrong because:That didnt change much from the last video, you say that the whole "colorful" effect was for the sake of it being a happy ending, but it still vanished, it didnt explode. You could change the rainbow color to dark fire and make it look as un-happy as it could possibly be, it still wouldnt change the fact that it vanished. The fact that it didnt explode isnt pis, or whatever you wanna call it, it can still be a happy ending while the moon exploded, but nobody in there right mind would make a moond "vanish" when they wanted it to "explode" and color it up and expect people to think that it actually did. I acknowledge the fact that the moon shook, but it did not explode. Majoras mask was defeated when link destroyed it in the moon, so i dont know how the skull kid could get back down when hes just a kid. And lets say he could easily get off the moon just as easily of how he got on it, how do we know (since the mask is destroyed and he isnt evil anymore) that he didnt just take link with him, and link was just a little dazed from the violent rumbling and shaking of the mask being destroyed right in front of him? There are many things that could have happened, and it didnt even look like it exploded. It just disappeared. I have never actually studied that video before, but it would be foolish to automatically assume that link took the full force of a moon exploding, when 1. he could have easily been carried off by skull kid 2. the moon didnt even explode.
I get what your saying, but it doesnt make sense. The scythes broke his skin, and regardless of how featless the scythes/ghouls are, they still broke his skin in many places, including one right through the chest. No no matter how many feats yamato has, the only thing it did is break his skin, impaling him in the same manner as the scythes, except right through his stomach. Im not gonna say that a scythe hurt more than yamato, because it doesnt. Yamato has a thicker, longer blade. But if dante got impaled by many scythes (and it doesnt matter how featless they are, there blades, that impaled him, and thats all that matters) and it hardly even phased him, and a blade that impaled him in the same manner as the scythes, a little thicker, made him fall and faint, then it would be silly to assume that the latter blade is just a normal one, because it leads right back to the fact that yamato is one of the few devil arms that can hurt dante.
And strenght means nothing when both blades are impaling. If a guy who lifts one ton, impales a monster with a normal looking sword, and another guy who can lift 10 tons impales the same monster, in the same spot, with the same sword, would the stronger guys impalement hurt more? not really, once you break the skin, thats all you can do. Dante got impaled, it doesnt matter really about what the sword can do, and acted as if nothing happened, so link would have to get multiple sword impalements to kill dante.
And again, this all fall under the arguement that link wouldnt even be able to hit dante. Not even. If link hit him once, that would be out of pure luck. Anyone who knows dante would agree to this, the fight wouldnt last long, it wouldnt need to, speed blitz and its over. Link simply cant keep up with his speed, ive already told you that he can impale him, the moon thing doesnt count, ganon never canonically slashed/stabbed (not including manga) him, and nothing link could execute would be fast enough before he gets impaled/decapitated. That would pretty much be the whole fight, link really has nothing left for him.
The eyes and possibly the genitals would be the only vulnerable parts left. You are still thinking of my example as having human skin. It does not. It has superhuman skin. As explained already, skin harder and more durable than stone. Don't think Wolverine, i.e. skin with human durability but a metallic skeleton. Think Colossus when he takes on his metal form.
As for the moon bit refer to Voyeur's last post.
Now back to the scythes vs yamato bit. Remember, Dante may have skin with human durability, but he still has a superhuman skeleton/muscles/etc on top of the regeneration of course. This couldn't be demonstrated well on a PS2 gaming engine but the scythes obviously did little internal damage and the little that was done was more or less instantly healed. Thus, no display of pain from Dante's part. The Yamato impalement actually hurt him for two reasons: Yamato, being wielded by a much stronger being than those ghouls (Vergil) and being a more powerful blade, actually caused internal damage because of the extra force behind it. Dante's regeneration actually had to really work to repair the damage this time and thus he was in pain. (Linking all the way back to the stamina-regeneration relationship)
--Anyway this brings up another good question...if a normal human wielded the yamato against a stone slab would it still cut through? How much of the feat of cutting through stone is from the sword's make and how much of it depends on the force and strength of the user in question?--
Strength does matter as far as the force applied. Jabbing a needle into your arm is going to hurt much worse than slowly coaxing it in.
Even if a sword is going to go through someone regardless of the force, an equivalent (provided they are still alive anyway) motion with a sword with more force behind it is going to cause more damage and pain via the extra force behind it alone. There would be residual damage to go along with the extra force in contact, I guess we would call that 'splash damage'.
Finally, can the Link hit Dante argument again? Neither of us will come to a consensus on this so I'll just say, yes. He can.
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Don't ask WHY I posted this. But like I said he could go invincible and asorb Link's energy and use it against him. Anyway, on the second video, wasn't he breathing hard? He got punched by Beowulf, and got RIGHT back up[his weakest incarnation you haven't seen him breath hard in DMC4-DMC2]
Dark Magic has NO effect on him and he can track you if your invisible. Even Nero wasn't effected by a sword, and Dante was effected because it was the physical/spiritual incarnation of Vergil[and it was a devil arm?]
LOL. Come to think of it, Nero punched Dante in the face with DB and it had no effect.
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Dear God, there is no way people can be this friggin stupid.
Jesus J. Christ, are you actually saying that Majora exploded and destroyed the moon?
Dude. Here's what really happened.
Majora died, and in a flash of rainbow light, it vanished with a lightshow. That's it. There was no "explosion."
It did not so much as budge the Giants or damage the ground below, wanna know what an explosion does? It explodes. 😐
And don't pull that,"Oh, it's a Nintendo game for kids, they can't show real explosions," bullshit, considering how when the three days pass, THIS happens:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=73hH8fx4hEg&feature=related
So they can show a giant moon destroying a town and blowing up a country, but not show a moon explode for great justice? Bull. Shit.
Because the explosion was contained and went off in a pocket universe created by Majora. With the end energy being enough to evaporate the Moon like bubble that was only a physical shell to the reaction.
Explosions can go off in a cavity with in a contained bubble.
Any way. Yeah, Majora just glowed and pew pew, flashing Lights, the moon some how with out any force applied to it disintegrated because I mean, we all know how things just turn to dust and crumble with out force applied am I right? and then a magic happy rainbow appeared.
.....I don't see how you had any competition before Shin, despite some of your fan boyisms you actually think things out and use academic knowledge, but from the debates you and I have had Scream, you are a frustrating thick skulled one. kek
Originally posted by Voyeur1. Was never stated I am afraid, you are speculating and creating theories without any proof to back up this retarded claim.
Because the explosion was contained and went off in a pocket universe created by Majora. With the end energy being enough to evaporate the Moon like bubble that was only a physical shell to the reaction.Explosions can go off in a cavity with in a contained bubble.
Any way. Yeah, Majora just glowed and pew pew, flashing Lights, the moon some how with out any force applied to it disintegrated because I mean, we all know how things just turn to dust and crumble with out force applied am I right? and then a magic happy rainbow appeared.
.....I don't see how you had any competition before Shin, despite some of your fan boyisms you actually think things out and use academic knowledge, but from the debates you and I have had Scream, you are a frustrating thick skulled one. kek
2. Only we see by the fact that Majora just vanished in a blast of light and the fact that it was not moving Link at all that their was never an explosion. We never see Majora explode.
3. Yes, that is what happened, Majora died, and vanished, and then when his power was gone, the power that was sustaining the moon was gone, and it disappeared. there was never any HINT of an explosion, at all.
4. Shin? Fanboyisms? You sir have among the most pathetic displays of logical reasoning I have ever seen, you are pulling out of your ass some sort of mystical explosion that we NEVER saw, nor was it even implied. You use math and science to make yourself seem like you know what you are talking about, when you do not have a damn clue. You have no idea what debating is, and your arguments are some of the most fallacious I have seen.
Have a good day sir.
I posted long enough posts about this before in the Sephiroth vs Link forum but that place is a shit hole.
It's obvious there is a physical reaction, once again, since the place starts to crumble and that shows there is some form of energy, e.g. force behind this "blast of light".
And Link some how went down at this diagonal trajectory from over Clock Tower to an area off in Termina Fields, awakening from a daze. I mean, I know normally when I'm inside a bubble dimension and it just magically disappears, I just fly down down at a diagonal angle to the nearest surrounding myself. Am I right?
Like I said, if yours and Terry's way of thinking was true, and it Majora's dimension simply went away along with the moon and turned into a rain bow, Link would of just fell back on top of clock tower safely and unharmed. Not having to awake from anything.
The Moon was apart of the real word. It was in the sky. So it existed as a physical matter. Majora simply being destroyed and his pocket universe with him, wouldn't have an affect on a physical matter like the moon with out some force of energy with heat or power to be destroyed along with it. Majora didn't create that moon -.-