Originally posted by Nephthys
If you can prove its actual lightning, maybe.
Oh jeeze. This sort of attempt at deconstruction is just annoying. Why would you assume different? You have no precedent for it.
It's shaped like lightning. It has the properties of lightning. Thus the writer's intent is that its lightning. Thus it is lightning.
You have an argument for Ganondorf's shitty looking electric ball throwing though. That's definitely not a viable litningz blocking claim.
Originally posted by CosmicComet
May I see them?And I thought he simply needed to block the fireballs that he sends at you, thus sending them back and hurting him.
EDIT: OH SNAP. MS doesn't hurt Agahnim, that's right. No explanation for this whatsoever Scenario? I'm surprised dawg.
Originally posted by CosmicCometAgreed, endless attempts at deconstruction are annoying. The ball isn't actually an argument though, it's a gameplay mechanic, nothing more, Zeus uses ball shaped lightning too, and Kratos gets the feat, if you see my point? And Link actually swats it out of the air. Is valid.
Oh jeeze. This sort of attempt at deconstruction is just annoying. Why would you assume different? You have no precedent for it.It's shaped like lightning. It has the properties of lightning. Thus the writer's intent is that its lightning. Thus it is lightning.
You have an argument for Ganondorf's shitty looking electric ball throwing though. That's definitely not a viable litningz blocking claim.
Originally posted by The Scenario
YouTube video3:05, Ganondorf actually enters Zelda's body (note that it's a twilight based power). Yeah, it's possession, but I have doubts as to it being one of Ganondorf natural powers, as he claims to have eaten a lot of Twili magic.
As for mind control...that's actually one of Agahnim's powers, which he used to simultaneously control all of Hyrule's standing military. Assuming Agahnim truly is just an alter ego as Ganon claims, then he can control minds as well.
Did Twili magic give him any other abilities, or just possession?
If Agahnim really is Ganondorf's alter-ego, then it isn't mind-control or possession (though Ganon appearing from within his body suggests that it is possession IMO).
Originally posted by ScreamPaste
Agreed, endless attempts at deconstruction are annoying. The ball isn't actually an argument though, it's a gameplay mechanic, nothing more, Zeus uses ball shaped lightning too, and Kratos gets the feat, if you see my point? And Link actually swats it out of the air. Is valid.
No Kratos gets the feat because he actually blocked an actual lightning arch in a non-optional QTE.
I never once referred to the gameplay.
And Zeus is a higher form of Lightning canon claim anyway, since he can change weather patterns unintentionally just by breathingz. He is the GAWD of litningz
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Originally posted by CosmicCometStriking out of the air > Blocking. 131
No Kratos gets the feat because he actually blocked an actual lightning arch in a non-optional QTE.I never once referred to the gameplay.
And Zeus is a higher form of Lightning canon claim anyway, since he can change weather patterns unintentionally just by breathingz. He is the GAWD of litningz
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But you see my point. Essentially, gameplay is not represntative of actual speed, and we have many canon instances of Ganon using full speed lightning and even in OoT an energy attack faster than what the gameplay shows, in cutscene, before he recieves the ToP.
Originally posted by CosmicCometYou're missing the point, it's not lightning, no, but it's demonstrably faster than in gameplay before Ganon recieved the ToP, and has many instances in canon of full speed lightning, this is plainly a lightning attakc, to assume it's slow based solely on gameplay is flawed. 😐 That implies Ganon sabotaged himself, losing on purpose.
Art thou referring to the energy attack that hits child linkz?you gotta do bettar than that tho. knamsayn? that aint litningz either. and link was just like 5 feet away.
Originally posted by ScreamPaste
YouTube video
Fireballs? Ganon can be seen holding a lightning bolt before he throws it, it crackles and everything.
Just becuase it has some of the properties of lightning doesn't mean it has all of them. Cole's shock grenades and megawatt hammers are composed of concentrated electricity yet don't have nearly the same amount of speed.
In fact they even resemble the things Ganon throws.
That implies Ganon sabotaged himself, losing on purpose.
Yeah, never seen a villian lose becuase of arrogance and stupidity before. 🙄
Just becuase it has some of the properties of lightning doesn't mean it has all of them. Cole's shock grenades and megawatt hammers are composed of concentrated electricity yet don't have nearly the same amount of speed.
Originally posted by CosmicCometNah, since he's used bolts in FSA which comes before OoT, without the ToP, obviously. With it, he'd be even more powerful.
dude c'mon! i need to see these instances of moar canon litningz usage.
i haven't played these games so thoroughly as thou.and it could be that ganondorf never used full speed litningz in the fight due to CIS. that would suck but tis possibility.
Originally posted by CosmicCometActually WW and TP are also stated to be the results of the time splot and come after OoT, aLttP is canonicly a prequel to LoZ, and LoZ II is canonicly sequel to LoZ, but everything else is kind of ****ed up, but FSA is supposed to be before OoT, I forget where this was said, though.
How can I trust that FSA takes place before OOT?These chronological setups seem to be all fan interpretations. I just don't trust that stuff anymore.
Only thing we know for sure is that MM is a sequel to OOT.
And even still, its possible that Gdorf has gotten stupid since FSA. lulz
Originally posted by ScreamPaste
Seperate fiction: Irrelevant.
No, you don't get to act as if one verse obeys the rules of physics and another one doesn't. What makes these two attacks different? Other than one being actual electricity and the other being magic of course.
Also, Cole's actually have a reason for being that way. Ganon has no such limitations.
What reason?
Originally posted by CosmicComet
EDIT: OH SNAP. MS doesn't hurt Agahnim, that's right. No explanation for this whatsoever Scenario? I'm surprised dawg.
http://www.zeldawiki.org/Agahnim#cite_note-11
"Listen well, Link. Even with the Master Sword, you cannot inflict physical harm on the wizard. You must find a way to return his own evil magic power to him." — Sahasrahla (A Link to the Past)
No explaination is given. You just can't hurt him with the artifact you spent the entire first part of the game tracking down. However, only the Master Sword (or butterfly net as a joke) can reflect the spells back at him. I might say something about physical harm as opposed to any harm to mean Agahnim is just the projection of Ganon's will or something.
The plot of Link to the Past is Agahnim trying to unseal Ganon from his Dark World prison. If Ganon can escape the prison well enough to possess someone, he wouldn't need to unseal himself since he'd already be free. Based on the split soul thing, Ganon could only partially free himself, and that part manifested as Agahnim.
Did Twili magic give him any other abilities, or just possession?
If Agahnim really is Ganondorf's alter-ego, then it isn't mind-control or possession (though Ganon appearing from within his body suggests that it is possession IMO).
His Twili stuff amounts to portals, turning to particles, his giant head form, and I guess whatever he gave Zant.
I'm not sure what the appearing from Agahnim's body is, though literally seconds before Link fights Agahnim the first time, he succeeds in breaking the seal of Ganon's prison. After the fight, Agahnim brings both himself and Link to the Dark World, where I assume Agahnim recombines with Ganon. It's only after the second fight that Ganon appears from his body.
No, you don't get to act as if one verse obeys the rules of physics and another one doesn't. What makes these two attacks different? Other than one being actual electricity and the other being magic of course.Isn't what happened, but Cole's attacks are not relevant to Ganon's, I'm not arguing their speed or how they work, one fiction is always irrelevant to another fiction.
Originally posted by The Scenario
http://www.zeldawiki.org/Agahnim#cite_note-11"Listen well, Link. Even with the Master Sword, you cannot inflict physical harm on the wizard. You must find a way to return his own evil magic power to him." — Sahasrahla (A Link to the Past)
No explaination is given. You just can't hurt him with the artifact you spent the entire first part of the game tracking down. However, only the Master Sword (or butterfly net as a joke) can reflect the spells back at him. I might say something about physical harm as opposed to any harm to mean Agahnim is just the projection of Ganon's will or something.
The plot of Link to the Past is Agahnim trying to unseal Ganon from his Dark World prison. If Ganon can escape the prison well enough to possess someone, he wouldn't need to unseal himself since he'd already be free. Based on the split soul thing, Ganon could only partially free himself, and that part manifested as Agahnim.
Why wouldn't Ganon's will work on himself though? He's far more powerful than Agahnim, he shouldn't be hurtable by the MS physically either.