Originally posted by BloodRain
If they give him strength they'd be strong enough to resist they force they give out.Dante can resist Savior/Beowulf/Nero's blunt force, gets stabbed normally. Sora resists Groundshakers stomp, can be stabbed with less force. Kratos can resist Cronos's slap, can be stabbed by less force. <- Only the common folk, there are more examples. Basically there's no connection to the force they can take to their blade resistance.
Meh, IMO, it should be the case (blunt force having a connection to blade resistance), until it is proven otherwise.
Also, what CC said about Dante & Kratos.
Originally posted by BloodRain
If for those two they couldnt take something of equal strength stabbing them. >> need to stop getting into examples..Blade resistance =/= blunt resistance.
DP: What about real life? A pro can take more force then normal but will be stabbed just as easily.
I should highlight why this is.
If someone punches you, and then stabs you, obviously the knife has more penetrating power because it's force is focused on a smaller area. Link is durable, a blade will obviously be more effective, but with numbers like what Ganon threw down the column of his arm and into his chest without damaging him, it'll take a lot of power to hurt Link.
If that pro can take 5x more force but stabbed by the same amount, that says that there isnt a link between the raise in blunt resistance to blade.
''down the column of his arm and into his chest''
^Annnd ya lost me. If it was a sword clash yeah but it was knocked out of his hand. Most of the force went into the sword to send it flying and whats would hardly get past the elbow. [tested it on people near me just now]
Hammer swung will produce more newtons/ lbs of force than a sword swung at equal speed due to its greater weight. However, the sword will produce more PSI due to its smaller surface area.
The Hammer can however equal the swords PSI output by being swung with more speed(and ultimately force), making up for its greater surface area.
It's all about PSI in the end. Still, OOT Link pretty much has no outright durability feats regardless of what we can say with this knowledge.
Originally posted by BloodRain
If that pro can take 5x more force but stabbed by the same amount, that says that there isnt a link between the raise in blunt resistance to blade.''down the column of his arm and into his chest''
^Annnd ya lost me. If it was a sword clash yeah but it was knocked out of his hand. Most of the force went into the sword to send it flying and whats would hardly get past the elbow. [tested it on people near me just now]
And no, a "pro" has heigher pain tolerance and more muscle tissue to take the blow, as well as being a proffessional who understands how to properly recieve a blue, he will also fare better against an armed opponent than you or I would. This doesn't change his actual durability, and working with such comparatively small numbers will never do a scenario like what we're discussing justice.
Originally posted by CosmicComet
Hammer swung will produce more newtons/ lbs of force than a sword swung at equal speed due to its greater weight. However, the sword will produce more PSI due to its smaller surface area.The Hammer can however equal the swords PSI output by being swung with more speed(and ultimately force), making up for its greater surface area.
It's all about PSI in the end. Still, OOT Link pretty much has no outright durability feats regardless of what we can say with this knowledge.
But yeah, it all comes down to PSI.
Blah. The sword disarming isn't outright. I KNOW in my head what kind of pressure that would be putting on the body in reality, but I can't make the mental jump when dealing with a game world to say Link can tank X amount of PSI output.
Ganon's blast is unquantifiable. Looks like a little pot shot he threw at annoying little kid. Nothing more really.
Originally posted by BloodRain
If for those two they couldnt take something of equal strength stabbing them. >> need to stop getting into examples..Blade resistance =/= blunt resistance.
DP: What about real life? A pro can take more force then normal but will be stabbed just as easily.
You do have a point.
Though Dante needs to be able to output sufficient force to stab/pierce Link.
Plus, I believe Scream said that LoZ follows physics. awesome
Originally posted by CosmicComet
Blah. The sword disarming isn't outright. I KNOW in my head what kind of pressure that would be putting on the body in reality, but I can't make the mental jump when dealing with a game world to say Link can tank X amount of PSI output.Ganon's blast is unquantifiable. Looks like a little pot shot he threw at annoying little kid. Nothing more really.
Yeah, but it still seems to put Link above most annoying children.😛
Originally posted by Demonic PhoenixNo he doesn't. There is no difference in physics between blunt and slashing damage, it's all just PSI. A bladed weapon always exerts it's force over a smaller area, this is why it cuts, no one has two seperate columns of durability, an attack over a smaller area will always pierce more effectively. That is physics.
You do have a point.
Plus, I believe Scream said that LoZ follows physics. awesome
Stabbing a human, pro or otherwise, simply goes far beyond a person's threshold anyway.
In some miniscule way, if you slowed down the footage of the two being stabbed in the stomach, I'm sure you'll find that the pro's well conditioned abs slowed the stab down by the tiniest of fractions of a second over the beer gut joe.
Originally posted by ScreamPaste
No he doesn't. There is no difference in physics between blunt and slashing damage, it's all just PSI. A bladed weapon always exerts it's force over a smaller area, this is why it cuts, no one has two seperate columns of durability, an attack over a smaller area will always pierce more effectively. That is physics.
Meh, what I got from his 'Pro' statement was that if someone attacks a Pro with a punch, and then with a knife with equal force, it would be easier to pierce.
I blame it on his wording and my lack of sleep. stoned
Originally posted by ScreamPaste
Negative, I can promise you that, what with the arm being attatch to the torso, if you apply 3-4.5 GJ to the arms, the force will make it's way to the torso. His entire body would be under stress, with most of it resting in his wrist and forearm. His hand, wrist, forearm, upper arm, shoulder, and torso should all have been reduced to a fine mist, but were unharmed.And no, a "pro" has heigher pain tolerance and more muscle tissue to take the blow, as well as being a proffessional who understands how to properly recieve a blue, he will also fare better against an armed opponent than you or I would. This doesn't change his actual durability, and working with such comparatively small numbers will never do a scenario like what we're discussing justice.
But the force wasn't applied down into Link now was it? It went diagonally upwards, most to nearly all of the force went into the blade, the fact that it was sent flying proves this. At best the leftover force wouldnt make it past wrist.
''Though Dante needs to be able to output sufficient force to stab/pierce Link.''