Originally posted by BloodRain... 😐
But the force wasn't applied down into Link now was it? It went diagonally upwards, most to nearly all of the force went into the blade, the fact that it was sent flying proves this. At best the leftover force wouldnt make it past wrist.That he can~ not that Link's actual body has any resistance..
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The train would easily dislocate his shoulder or kill him, maybe tear his hand off in this scenario. 😐 The force Link was under should have destroyed his entire body.
A lot of force definitely made it to his torso, it is impossible for it not to have, and why would his torso be less durable than his arms? There is no reason. Dante would have his work cut out for him to badly hurt Link, who can react to Dante easily, and lay him out with his fists.
Originally posted by ScreamPaste
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K. Allow me to illustrate what you are claiming.
A man stands by train tracks, holding out a baseball bat at a slight angle, and tries to bunt a passing freight train.Like this. (the man is \, illustrating the angle)
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his entire body.A lot of force definitely made it to his torso, it is impossible for it not to have, and why would his torso be less durable than his arms? There is no reason. Dante would have his work cut out for him to badly hurt Link, who can react to Dante easily, and lay him out with his fists. [/B]
Seeing as Ive actually seen a motorway speed van smack a cricket bat out of someones hand in a vaguely similar manner to end with nothing but shock and apologising Ill have to disagree here. Why? Because the majority of the force went into the smacked away bat. Why minimal force went to the man? Because he let go of it. If Link was able to hold onto the sword then his body would take strain. But that isnt the case.
Why would his torso be less durable than his arms?... the fact that his torso isnt covered by anything magically enhanced may be the answer.
Yeah Dante has enough strength to put the hurt on Link.
Originally posted by BloodRain
YouTube video For others.Seeing as Ive actually seen a motorway speed van smack a cricket bat out of someones hand in a vaguely similar manner to end with nothing but shock and apologising Ill have to disagree here. Why? Because the majority of the force went into the smacked away bat. Why minimal force went to the man? Because he let go of it. If Link was able to hold onto the sword then his body would take strain. But that isnt the case.
Why would his torso be less durable than his arms?... the fact that his torso isnt covered by anything magically enhanced may be the answer.
Yeah Dante has enough strength to put the hurt on Link.
You can see here Ganon strikes the blade near the forte, possibly the ricasso. The strike is coming from the left, the sword flies right afterward, the attack was basicly centering all of it's force toward Link's center and to the right. He DID manage to deflect it, as it didn't hit him, there's no denying that he can withstand the force he did, because he did so in a cutscene.
The golden gauntlets to not improve durability, either. They simply give him strength. Dante would have to be able to land a blow for Link's durability to be relevant anyway, and from here it looks like Link KO's him with a punch.
Are you trying to imply that without the sword there it would of slashed Link? 'Cause the vid itself proves that wrong. The sword was launched away, if the majority of the force went into Link then the sword would of dropped by his side and not be launched at all.
Strength around the arms, arms will be able to take the strength.
Nero can effortlessly deflect the Savior's attacks. He can also throw that pillar with his DB. The same Nero punches Dante 20 times in the face and Dante sits back and takes it. Link's strong but...
On the other hand Dantes strength > Links durability.
Originally posted by BloodRain
Nero can effortlessly deflect the Savior's attacks. He can also throw that pillar with his DB. The same Nero punches Dante 20 times in the face and Dante sits back and takes it. Link's strong but...On the other hand Dantes strength > Links durability.
Any proof that his 'regular' DB arm (punches Dante) is equal in strength to the spectral arm formed by his DB (deflects False Saviour punches/tosses sword)?
Originally posted by BloodRainIf Link hadn't blocked, yes, he would have been slashed. 😐 Hence he blocked.
Are you trying to imply that without the sword there it would of slashed Link? 'Cause the vid itself proves that wrong. The sword was launched away, if the majority of the force went into Link then the sword would of dropped by his side and not be launched at all.Strength around the arms, arms will be able to take the strength.
Nero can effortlessly deflect the Savior's attacks. He can also throw that pillar with his DB. The same Nero punches Dante 20 times in the face and Dante sits back and takes it. Link's strong but...
On the other hand Dantes strength > Links durability.
Also, negatory, because energy doesn't conduct perfectly. Yes, the sword took some, but a large amount of force was put onto Link. He was fine.
Strength =/= durability, kthnx. They give strength, not durability. Link is durable. The force also should have torn his arm off if his torso were not durable enough to keep it anchored.
Saviour has no strength feat,s and tghat's kewl.
Feats? Best I've seen is stopping that punch.
Dante cannot fight a lightning timer, especially not one physicly more powerful than himself.
Originally posted by Demonic Phoenix
Any proof that his 'regular' DB arm (punches Dante) is equal in strength to the spectral arm formed by his DB (deflects False Saviour punches/tosses sword)?
Originally posted by ScreamPaste
If Link hadn't blocked, yes, he would have been slashed. 😐 Hence he blocked.Also, negatory, because energy doesn't conduct perfectly. Yes, the sword took some, but a large amount of force was put onto Link. He was fine.
Strength =/= durability, kthnx. They give strength, not durability. Link is durable. The force also should have torn his arm off if his torso were not durable enough to keep it anchored.
Saviour has no strength feat,s and tghat's kewl.
Feats? Best I've seen is stopping that punch.
Dante cannot fight a lightning timer, especially not one physicly more powerful than himself.
All of that would work if he kept hold of it. The sword would take the majority. Btw the force taken, assuming he took it, would actually be halved as its a one hand slash compared to the two hand throw. [two hands for throw, half for one hand that's Ganon's one hand which is the force hitting him]
By virtue of size and weight. To say it couldn't throw the OoTpillar, something 1/60th of its weight, easier then Link did is absurd. Savior replicating Link throwing the pillar would be the same as a person throwing 3 lbs only 1.5ft.. and using both hands.
Stopping that^ punch then holding and throwing the Saviors weight off of him with one arm, or trading blows with Nero who can do the same. That alone is good enough. Now combine that strength with the 3 strength enhancers Dante has and thatd put his strength above Link's.
Originally posted by BloodRainSaviour has no feats at all to suggest it could throw the pillar the way Link did, size alone does not indicate strength, and Link threw the pillar with quite a lot of force, I am 100% confident he'd kick Saviour's ass in an arm wrestle.
Figured it was for the length/larger grip, main purpose and such. As he still feels the spectral hand.[knocking out Bael] Also throwing Bael with no glow, shows his strength isnt really effected by it.From the direction it went and the distance from him there's no way that the slash would of made contact with his body. In fact Link's swords held on his left and the blow came from the right.. it it was going to him it would of been jutted into his right ride by now.
All of that would work if he kept hold of it. The sword would take the majority. Btw the force taken, assuming he took it, would actually be halved as its a one hand slash compared to the two hand throw. [two hands for throw, half for one hand that's Ganon's one hand which is the force hitting him]
By virtue of size and weight. To say it couldn't throw the OoTpillar, something 1/60th of its weight, easier then Link did is absurd. Savior replicating Link throwing the pillar would be the same as a person throwing 3 lbs only 1.5ft.. and using both hands.
Stopping that^ punch then holding and throwing the Saviors weight off of him with one arm, or trading blows with Nero who can do the same. That alone is good enough. Now combine that strength with the 3 strength enhancers Dante has and thatd put his strength above Link's.
Link leaned back and blocked, also swings arc, like this.
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Link's right shoulder probably was outside the arc, and he had the shield to defend that side.
Test this. Hold a stick, and get a friend with a bat to smack it so hard you cannot maintain your hold on it, tell me no force comes back to your arm, afterward. 😐
Saviour's whole weight was not on Dante, and moving out from under it is not as impressive as the pillar toss. uhuh
The fact that Link threw the pillar is very important, and often overlooked for some reason. A major league baseball player cannot pitch a ball at the speed Link threw the pillar, why would saviour or Dante be able to replicate Link's feat, when their best feats are mutually simply supporting Saviour's weight, and for Dante it was partial.
Originally posted by BloodRain
Figured it was for the length/larger grip, main purpose and such. As he still feels the spectral hand.[knocking out Bael] Also throwing Bael with no glow, shows his strength isnt really effected by it.Stopping that^ punch then holding and throwing the Saviors weight off of him with one arm, or trading blows with Nero who can do the same.
Ehh, he later punches Bael across the courtyard with the spectral arm. That's more impressive IMO.
Wasn't one arm (Dante crouches and uses his legs as well for extra force), and I doubt it was the whole of Saviour's weight acting on Dante, given its pose.
@DP: Didnt mean the whole weight, only the weight that was on him.
From contact to hold only Dante's left hand is making contact with the fist. The right is holding the sword as is between the fingers and just like the point of the sword it isnt actually touching the fist, can even see it waver with the left hand as the centre. More importantly he only throws it with his left arm.
Originally posted by ScreamPaste
Saviour has no feats at all to suggest it could throw the pillar the way Link did, size alone does not indicate strength, and Link threw the pillar with quite a lot of force, I am 100% confident he'd kick Saviour's ass in an arm wrestle.Link leaned back and blocked, also swings arc, like this.
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Link's right shoulder probably was outside the arc, and he had the shield to defend that side.Test this. Hold a stick, and get a friend with a bat to smack it so hard you cannot maintain your hold on it, tell me no force comes back to your arm, afterward. 😐
Saviour's whole weight was not on Dante, and moving out from under it is not as impressive as the pillar toss. uhuh
The fact that Link threw the pillar is very important, and often overlooked for some reason. A major league baseball player cannot pitch a ball at the speed Link threw the pillar, why would saviour or Dante be able to replicate Link's feat, when their best feats are mutually simply supporting Saviour's weight, and for Dante it was partial.
So in your eyes the Savior cant lift something 2% of its weight? Its hands together equal the pillar..
Never said whole weight. Theres the arm and the some of the upper body. [as evident by how much moves when he pushed it]
Shallow rough math time; Link throws 600/1000 tons at 40ms. (its a 60m curve in 1.5s) 1600*600/1000=960k-1.6mil.
Dante throws 3000 tons (arm is 2k, rest from the body on him.. itd be more but meh for now) at 10ms. 100*3000=300k.
Thats makes Pillar feat 3.4/5.3x stronger then Savior feat. But because he only used one arm that actually makes Link 1.7/2.65x stronger then Dante. [And seeing as Link uses one hand when fighting there'd be no problem in combat.] (700 tons makes him 2x)
Full powered Link >1.7/2.65x> Base Dante... Base that is. Full powered Dante would include DT, Strength Heart and Gilgamesh. Each would only need to increase his strength by only 20% to equal Link.. Gilgamesh alone covers that and more.
To sum up; Link with GG < Dante with Gilgamesh~
WAAAAIT, Wait, wait... WAIT...
No rly. Wut!? This:
Shallow rough math time; Link throws 600/1000 tons at 40ms. (its a 60m curve in 1.5s) 1600*600/1000=960k-1.6mil.
Dante throws 3000 tons (arm is 2k, rest from the body on him.. itd be more but meh for now) at 10ms. 100*3000=300k.
Thats makes Pillar feat 3.4/5.3x stronger then Savior feat. But because he only used one arm that actually makes Link 1.7/2.65x stronger then Dante. [And seeing as Link uses one hand when fighting there'd be no problem in combat.] (700 tons makes him 2x)
Link throws 600/1000 tons at 40ms. (its a 60m curve in 1.5s) 1600*600/1000=960k-1.6mil.
Link throws 600/1000 tons at 40ms.
Dude. 😐 In 1.5 seconds the pillar covers close to 200 meters of straight distance. o_O This isn't even factoring in the arc of the toss. (Because, no really, **** that <.<😉 it's average speed is atleast 100 m/s, it's launch speed higher. If you factor in resistance and accelleration of gravity, the innitial launch speed could be over 150 m/s.
So in your eyes the Savior cant lift something 2% of its weight? Its hands together equal the pillar..Lift, sure, but not throw, especially not at the speed Link did. Link threw it faster than a major league baseball pitch. 😐
To sum up; Link with GG < Dante with Gilgamesh~
BUT, it's not really relevant, here's why:
Dante is obviously within in the range where Link punching him is going to suck. Link has a sword, just in case, but nevermind that! Punching it is!
Link can react to and strike him, and yeah. It's gonna hurt.
Originally posted by ScreamPaste
WAAAAIT, Wait, wait... WAIT...No rly. Wut!? This:
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Dude. 😐 In 1.5 seconds the pillar covers close to 200 meters of straight distance. o_O This isn't even factoring in the arc of the toss. (Because, no really, **** that <.<😉 it's average speed is atleast 100 m/s, it's launch speed higher. If you factor in resistance and accelleration of gravity, the innitial launch speed could be over 150 m/s.
Lift, sure, but not throw, especially not at the speed Link did. Link threw it faster than a major league baseball pitch. 😐
The above is why I disagree.
BUT, it's not really relevant, here's why:
Dante is obviously within in the range where Link punching him is going to suck. Link has a sword, just in case, but nevermind that! Punching it is!
Link can react to and strike him, and yeah. It's gonna hurt.
200? Trig says its 20-30m. It took him 8 secs to get cover the distance makes it 16m. Or it takes 40 max steps to get there for 30m. 200m would take 100 secs or 266 steps..
100ms, Savior's final punch is around that speed and its gameplay ones are even faster. 40ms wouldn't be anything.
Punched by Savior, punched into the ground by Beowulf and repeatedly punched by Nero[whos punches would be at worst 1/3 Link's but were still 20 punches]. While not at the same strength Dante easily tanked them all. Link's wont be that bad. And a sword will be near useless for Link as one stab will give Dante a large opening. And only one can regenerate.
Disagree with the reacting from the lack of evidence in this thread. Besides Dante's speed+speed enhancers(+clone if needed) will work even if he was a lightning timer. Definitely know that arrow-timer Link will lose in a second, no questions asked.
Originally posted by BloodRain
Disagree with the reacting from the lack of evidence in this thread. Besides Dante's speed+speed enhancers(+clone if needed) will work even if he was a lightning timer. Definitely know that arrow-timer Link will lose in a second, no questions asked.
This pretty much sums it up.
200? Trig says its 20-30m. It took him 8 secs to get cover the distance makes it 16m. Or it takes 40 max steps to get there for 30m. 200m would take 100 secs or 266 steps..Trig gave you different numbers when Link and the pillar were in opposite places, as well. The 3d in OoT is kind of strange, is why I always try to get Link exactly beside something I'm measuring in a screenshot. THe pillar covers quite a lot of ground, I promise you that. Also, when Link runs in OoT his strides are very long. o.O I have a series of screenshots somewhere on my old hard drive showing just how long. mmm But IIRC it was close to his entire body length. Don't quote me on that yet, though.
40 m/s would be inaccurate, sir.
Disagree with the reacting from the lack of evidence in this thread. Besides Dante's speed+speed enhancers(+clone if needed) will work even if he was a lightning timer. Definitely know that arrow-timer Link will lose in a second, no questions asked.
Vitreous (ALttP)
Aganhim (ALttP)
Giant Buzz Blob (Link's Awakening)
Goht (Majora's Mask)
Barinade (OoT)
Ganon's Trident (Four Swords Adventure)
Smog (Oracle of Ages)
Lakitu (Minish Cap)
There is no counter-argument against Link reflecting lightning anywhere that does not rely on the gameplay speed, which is flawed. We know Ganondorf has full speed lightning, he's shown this many times, to intentionally slow down his attack and allow Link to reflect it back at him would be self sabotage.
We cannot assume self sabotage over what the evidence clearly shows.
Edit: with that kind of speed, Link becomes untouchable to Dante, and will be able to beat him with his fists.