Originally posted by Ultimate Wil
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I want evidence, not a couple of vague videos. Please state the exact time during the movie where Cloud apprently does some massively lengthly "ready" stance for Omnislash.
Originally posted by Ultimate Wil
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I want evidence, not a couple of vague videos. Please state the exact time during the movie where Cloud apprently does some massively lengthly "ready" stance for Omnislash.
Originally posted by Ultimate Wil
I have said it multiple times, I can't watch videos on my computer, you go look yourself, near the end.BTW, proof you haven't seen the video as you are trying to avoid them. Anyone else see that?
"near" the end is a bit vague. Can someone else find it for him?
lol? apprently me not wanting to watch 14 minutes of a movie I hate just to hopefully gather YOUR evidence is me not seeing the video....
Originally posted by K1ll3rWhen was Seph greater than Cloud? Seph didn't look like he was holdin' back at the end of 7. Or in Crisis Core.
It is simply truth that the creators have said that Sephiroth is greater then Cloud and that Sephiroth wasn't trying in the AC fight or even in any fight against Cloud.
Originally posted by Burning thought
"near" the end is a bit vague. Can someone else find it for him?lol? apprently me not wanting to watch 14 minutes of a movie I hate just to hopefully gather [b]YOUR
evidence is me not seeing the video.... [/B]
Burning Thought you are hopeless, you don't want to read or watch sources because you 'hate' it. What chance do we have in an argument against you? Are you a permanent troll or something?
Sephiroth is better then Cloud it wasn't officialy stated that it is because of the Neg Lifestream yet you say it is but you are simply guessing, can you find canon to say that he CAN use it(Omnislash) straight away? Why did he only use it when pushed? Why have the creators stated he can only use it under due stress?
I have evidence that shows that it can be only used when he is beat up, In the Ultimania Omega(go look at the link I have given you over 20 times) that his Omnislash can only be used when he has been beat up a fair bit(Paraphrased!). If you don't want to read or watch our sources that ISN'T our problem and you shouldn't be debating if you aren't going to go and have a look at sources we post.
There is no official statement about any of Illidans abilities like teleport yet you say he has them because of an obscure statement on a wikipedi-esque page! double standard much? You are like a Fanboy except like, hateboy you make up your own facts and reject all others while guessing the rest without any sources.
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Sephiroth has always been better then Cloud why does it take 3(6) characters to defeat Sephiroth? Why does Sephiroth look like he is barely trying in AC? Zack was better then Cloud and Sephiroth beat Zack easily (in CC).
I have answered these questions with evidence you then ask where is the evidence.
If no-one can bring to the table anything else that Cloud could use to win *besides* Omnislash (HE CAN ONLY USE THIS IF SEPHIROTH BEATS HIM UP A FAIR BIT) then Sephiroth has won. Clouds swordsmanship is NOT better then Sephiroth as you can see in the AC fight Sephiroth IS NOT TRYING whereas Cloud IS GIVING IT HIS ALL.
and no, you post sources.
Originally posted by I am who I am
When was Seph greater than Cloud? Seph didn't look like he was holdin' back at the end of 7. Or in Crisis Core.
Crisis Core, are you kidding? How could he hold back when he was critically injured before their fight started?
Cloud fricking stabbed him from behind(Oh yes...sexy) Hell I dunno how Sephiroth managed to keep walking. Then Cloud attacked Sephiroth face on and Seph shrugged him off with one arm and sent him flying. Later he stabbed the masamune through his torso, lifted him and Cloud pulled the "Imma **** you up" stunt and threw him down the reactor.
Their bout was short and brutal.
Cloud's greatest moment for sure.
Originally posted by Zack FairThat was pretty cool.
Crisis Core, are you kidding? How could he hold back when he was critically injured before their fight started?Cloud fricking stabbed him from behind(Oh yes...sexy) Hell I dunno how Sephiroth managed to keep walking. Then Cloud attacked Sephiroth face on and Seph shrugged him off with one arm and sent him flying. Later he stabbed the masamune through his torso, lifted him and Cloud pulled the "Imma **** you up" stunt and threw him down the reactor.
Their bout was short and brutal.
Cloud's greatest moment for sure.
You guy make Seph sound SOOOOOOOOOOOOO powerful that the fact Cloud got a cheap shot in shouldn't even have mattered. If Seph is soooooooooooo much stronger than Cloud, he still shoulda won.
Originally posted by I am who I am
That was pretty cool.You guy make Seph sound SOOOOOOOOOOOOO powerful that the fact Cloud got a cheap shot in shouldn't even have mattered. If Seph is soooooooooooo much stronger than Cloud, he still shoulda won.
Huh? The Buster Sword nearly cleaved him in half. Sephiroth wasn't as powerful back then. Sephiroth's dilema is his character induced stupidity. He just can't grasp the fact that a simple infantryman whooped his ass.
TBH I hated Last Order because of the fact they changed the events to have Sephiroth willingly throw himself in the lifestream(which made no FKN sense) instead of having Cloud do it. I am glad Crisis Core set the record straight.
Originally posted by I am who I amthis is the point in the game where cloud starts to react to the maco/jenova they sprinkled him with his emotional state triggered it he was getting stronger and caught seph off guard when he pulled himself up the sword that had him impaled, that combined with seph being mortally wounded is why cloud was able to defete him there, thats basicly the same reason he beet him the other 2 times to his emotional state triggered his limit and murdured.
All I'm sayin' is, if the guy was better, he wouldn't have lost almost er fight against Cloud.
Originally posted by K1ll3r
Burning Thought you are hopeless, you don't want to read or watch sources because you 'hate' it. What chance do we have in an argument against you? Are you a permanent troll or something?Sephiroth is better then Cloud it wasn't officialy stated that it is because of the Neg Lifestream yet you say it is but you are simply guessing, can you find canon to say that he CAN use it(Omnislash) straight away? Why did he only use it when pushed? Why have the creators stated he can only use it under due stress?
I have evidence that shows that it can be only used when he is beat up, In the Ultimania Omega(go look at the link I have given you over 20 times) that his Omnislash can only be used when he has been beat up a fair bit(Paraphrased!). If you don't want to read or watch our sources that ISN'T our problem and you shouldn't be debating if you aren't going to go and have a look at sources we post.
There is no official statement about any of Illidans abilities like teleport yet you say he has them because of an obscure statement on a wikipedi-esque page! double standard much? You are like a Fanboy except like, hateboy you make up your own facts and reject all others while guessing the rest without any sources.
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Sephiroth has always been better then Cloud why does it take 3(6) characters to defeat Sephiroth? Why does Sephiroth look like he is barely trying in AC? Zack was better then Cloud and Sephiroth beat Zack easily (in CC).
I have answered these questions with evidence you then ask where is the evidence.
If no-one can bring to the table anything else that Cloud could use to win *besides* Omnislash (HE CAN ONLY USE THIS IF SEPHIROTH BEATS HIM UP A FAIR BIT) then Sephiroth has won. Clouds swordsmanship is NOT better then Sephiroth as you can see in the AC fight Sephiroth IS NOT TRYING whereas Cloud IS GIVING IT HIS ALL.
and no, you post sources.
Now these are just childish banterings because its obvious your running out of arguments, ive attacked every one of your arguments, even though most of which are inconclusive and the rest is simply an FAQ that could have been created by anyone filled with assumptions.
Thats what ime looking for, you just said the creators officially stated he can only use Omnislash under stress, if you can show me that evidence, ill shut up. And I say negative lifestream because that is the only way he can beyond the likes of Chaos, weapons etc. The burdon of proof is on you to prove Omnislash is only usable when Cloud is angry.
I dont have to find every part of your source, ime sorry but its the same as me telling you to go and play all the LOK games if you toss a 20 page essay and tell me your proofs "somewhere" in there, you have to show me evidence.
Him being a master sorceror and having the powers of the greatest Warlock are all official....unless the games and the official WoW site as well as the various books are now apprently all uncanon? ime talking about 100% game info. And the page I gave you has its own sources.