Trance Kuja vs Link and Dante

@Zack fair, not class 100 strength, class 1000+ ;]

And the only cut scene I saw of Kuja destroying a planet showed no one resisting or attacking him at all, I'm sure Dante could atleast break his concentration with his great speed while Link slows time, then proceeds to stun Kuja's evil self with a light arrow.

And call me an idiot but that cut scene was clearly a montage, it would have taken much longer than a single minute to destroy everythign judging by the sluggish spread of enegy.

Kuja has alot of fire power, yes, but no evidence of being able to survive a class 1000+ piercing hit from a sword designed to destroy evil.

This can go 5/10 Link+Dante or better, all they have to do is use team work to ensure he gets grounded.

Originally posted by ScreamPaste
@Zack fair, not class 100 strength, class 1000+ ;]

There is no class 1000+ strength.

I think he means Link can push 1000+ tons

His flight is the only advantage he really seems to have. But since so far he has no gaugable durability he would prob die from a few shots from either of the heroes. No need to waste an overkilling 1000+ ton slash.

not just push, throw. the amount of force in a single burst of energy to send that much weight 200 metres or so is rediculous, when you consider that for every action there's an equal reaction, and that in order for it to travel that far with that kind of weight it would have to reach high speed, Link's strength is.. rediculous. @_@

do I misunderstand the classing system?

Watch it again, BT. He took a direct hit at :32. Please, learn about at least one FF game before trying to debate them.

Originally posted by ScreamPaste
not just push, throw. the amount of force in a single burst of energy to send that much weight 200 metres or so is rediculous, when you consider that for every action there's an equal reaction, and that in order for it to travel that far with that kind of weight it would have to reach high speed, Link's strength is.. rediculous. @_@

do I misunderstand the classing system?

Afaik it only goes up to class 100, then it just goes 100+

Originally posted by fascistcrusader
Watch it again, BT. He took a direct hit at :32. Please, learn about at least one FF game before trying to debate them.

Fascist, I'm the one who was questioning the possibility of a direct hit on Kuja, and I stand by my opinion that it was not so. I watched the scene twice, and I already gave to you that Bahamut's AoE on his attacks was much greater than I had originally thought.

If you look closely, you'll notice that at :32, the explosion doesn't come from directly on top of Kuja, but from the lower left corner of the screen, and it obscures the camera after that.

Look, here it is frame by frame.

Here we have Kuja amidst a sea of flames:

Here we see the explosion start right next to him:

Then it engulfs him:

Kuja took a direct hit of a blast that can wipe out an entire airship and devastate a city and was hit by the AoE damage of all of these blasts, and he simply laughed it off.

Originally posted by ScreamPaste

do I misunderstand the classing system?

Its just that anyone being able to lift more than 100 tons is a class 100. Hulk, Thor, Hercules are in it.

Link's Feats

strength:

Originally posted by ScreamPaste

Shooting Link probably wouldn't do much good, and decapitating him would be a feat indeed. He took shots from Ganon's massive beast form that carried two swords, and could disintegrate stone without even halting, as if the stone was not there. These blows obviously hurt Link but still only did 2.5 hearts.

Link has temporary invulnerability to match Dante's temporary speed boost, and when Dante is not in his speed boost, he may still be faster than Link, and probably is, but not fast enough to really speed blitz Link who can casually chop arrows out of the air, side step swords thrown hard enough to embed themselves into stone walls, go toe to toe with Ganon, and Majora, and so on. Link's not the fastest runner but he is a very quick fighter with super human reaction speed.

As to strength, Let me math.. He lifted a stone pillar resmebling black granite closest (a VERY heavy stone known for being retardedly heavy.)

granit article v
http://uts.cc.utexas.edu/~rmr/definition.html <--source.

"Since so many people ask me about "weight" [granite not mine]....I have an old reference that says an "average" granite has a density of about 166.5 lb. per cubic foot, or about 2.6 times what the same volume of water would weigh. If its what commercial stone dealers call a "black granite" the density would likely be much higher."

Now, assuming that, lemme make a few estimations.. /heads to youtube.

<--screen shot. I'l try to get one that shows the entire pillar rather than just the bottom... but it's clearly huge. Lemme do some quick math on that using the average weight of white granite before I move on to black granite..

K, working with only what we can SEE in this image, let's assume conservatively that Link is slighlty above average height, around 6'2" or more seems reasonable, so we'll go with six. ASSUMING these thigns with VERY roguh guestimations (thank you Blubba Pinecone for your godliness) this rock is aprox 12208.32 cubic feet in volume. (JUST the visible part in the pic, not including the top half.) Now, if that means the average weight of white granite is 166.5 lbs per cubic foot... *math* 2032685.28 Lbs. That's the weiht of JUST the visible portion of the pillar if we assume Link is 6' and the stone is light granite as opposed to black granite.

If a ton is 2000 lbs thats 1016.3 tons. and he THROWS IT.

Now I have to find something on black granite because that's the stone the pillars in OoT closest resemble.

BLACK GRANITE!

"Cambrian Black granite

Absorption by weight: 0.101%

Density: 179 pounds/cubic foot

(2,874 kg/cu.m)

Compressive strength: 22,122 psi (153 Mpa)

Modulus of rupture: 1,868 psi (12.92 Mpa)"

http://www.stoneworld.com/Articles/Feature_Article/f6a52a4061409010VgnVCM100000f932a8c0____ <--article.

Math time. 12208.32 (volume in cubic feet) x 179 (lbs per cubic foot) = 2185289.28 lbs. Just the visible portion. Link. Is. Amazing.. I didn't expect it to be THAT heavy.. wtf.. 1096.64 tons. .

Even in my most fanboyish moments I would have only guessed 100ish tons for the entire rock.. and this is a conservative estimation. So.... I'm gonna go redo my math, I don't believe this.

Edit: most of this math. (figuring the volume in cubic feet) was done by my math whiz friend Blubba Pinecone.

Link like many others who are brought up has his own multiple forms to be able to shape shift and his strength as Goron-Link is able to take down a Mechanical-Organic giant, super bull with his body alone.
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endurance:
Link surviving an explosion he took a point blank radius while still inside the Moon, that eventually disintegrated it (this scene is done in slow motion, rainbow is there for happy ending effects) Now 'Dawn of A New Day' is easily translated into only a few minutes time since with the Moon destroyed the Day would be immediate.

Link fell from that height of the Moon after surviving the explosion and the only counter argument to that has been there is no crater where he landed. Well last I checked if a humanoid is dropped from any height, extreme or not, there is no crater of impact because they are not heavy in weight. The explosion radius is clearly contained with in the Moon and so inertia kicks in and is canceled. So force of impact is all with in that moment of explosion, then Link would simply drop from the point there after.
example: suicide victims of 9/11 did not create craters and fell from greater heights.
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another one is that as young Link, by only using the Hylian Shield on his back while crouching alone can withstand the pressure and weight of the King Dodongo. That is only his young body with out fully being physically developed it both situations.
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Speed;Agility;Reflex:

Also noted in this fight that Majora uses whip based weapons that are able to travel faster then the speed of sound. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sound_barrier That means those attacks from Majora break the sound barrier, which means they are faster then the speed of sound, and Link can react and dodge them accordingly. Link is faster then the speed of what it takes to break the sound barrier. And thus upon breaking it, and Link showing he can dodge them with ease proves his speed, agility and reflex all in one go. Young Link, Adult Link or any of his forms would all be capable of this respectively.
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Link's Items & Weapons
Weapons

I T E M S

Masks aka Other Forms

Graciously Link can only carry so many, but lets go by standards of restricting him to only a select few from what a certain system allows button wise and go on from there. Link in his arsenal only needs a select few to win though to be deadly honest. And you can tie them to one Universe, one Time Line Link in fact, so it's very doable. OoT Link is Majora's Mask Link.

*excuse double post*

LINK's abilities:
Link is the hero of time with many abilities.

Link is an exceptional swordsman. His skill with various weapons and items allows him to easily adapt and master each new tool he acquires and employ them in battles. Link shows himself to be an excellent marksman. Including but not restricted to with a Bow and Arrow, Boomerang, Slingshot, HookShot, ClawShot etc. etc.

Link is also very agile, proven as he is able to perform back-flips and somersaults with ease to dodge his enemies' attacks at the very start of his adventures.

Additionally, Link has proven to be very strong physically, as he is usually able to move heavy objects and overpower larger enemies rather easily. Along the fact his power to ride a giant Boar, and his horseback riding skills are impeccable.

In the "Oracle of Seasons", Link is shown to have at least some skills in hand-to-hand combat with the boxing mini-game and in Twilight Princess, he is taught the art of sumo wrestling by the mayor of Ordon Village; proving Link isn't completely defenseless without a weapon.

Link even uses magic in the form of spells. On several occasions he has even been able to shape shift into another form including a fairy, bunny, wolf, Deku, Goron, Zora, a Giant, and a Deity.

Finally, he is endowed with the powers of the Triforce of Courage.

The Legend of Zelda
-Sword Beams: able to fire energy blasts from Sword
-Spin Attack: Charged or otherwise, with or with out magical energy released from it, this attack is a circular based one with critical consequence.
(side note: these attacks are also translated and relate to the other titles in which they appear. Same goes for Sword Plant, Rocket Stab, Lunge and so on)

The Legend of Zelda: Ocarina of Time
Din's Fire: (aoe) Creates a dome of intense Fire to disintegrate
Farore's Wind: (buff) Create a Warp Point to teleport at any time
Nayru's Love (buff) Create a protective barrier to reduce damage

The Legend of Zelda: Majora's Mask
Deku Link: can hover and shoot poison bubbles
Goron Link: lolwut strong & can spin around at extreme velocity
Zora Link: Energy Shield, ranged fins, & unlimited breath under water
Giant Link: need I say more?
Fierce Deity Link: Deity means a god, so yeah =3

I had to remove the images because I'm still too new to post links:

Originally posted by fascistcrusader
Look, here it is frame by frame.

Here we have Kuja amidst a sea of flames:

Here we see the explosion start right next to him:

Then it engulfs him:

Kuja took a direct hit of a blast that can wipe out an entire airship and devastate a city and was hit by the AoE damage of all of these blasts, and he simply laughed it off.

No, fascist. Go back to your post and look at that last frame still. Does that look anything like the flames that were previously chasing Kuja? No, they don't. They are part of an entirely different explosion that occurs right in front of the camera, which obscures our vision and leaves us unable to determine whether Kuja was truly hit by anything.

I agree with Xana on this one, although imen ot saying another word on the nonsense of guessing whether he was being hit or not until ime given the durability of one of those Airships.

Trance Kuja takes this via battlefield nuking.

That, and if you watch the scene Kuja's clearly hit but the blast, you can actually see him and his dragon being hit and reacting to being hit at 31-2.

Xana are you kidding me? We see the explosion that overtakes them start right next to him. I circled the epicenter for goodness sakes. I expect this kind of nonsense from BT, but you can grow and learn from your mistakes.

He has nothing to suggest he can even hit Dante who'd be in his face instantly, and Link has temporary invuln, which additionalyl gives him time to slow time, making himself impossible to hit as well. Kuja hasn't displayed the ability to battlfield nuke while beign harrassed by a speedy opponent with super strength and a sword to my knowledge. While Dante annoys Kuja, Link stuns him with a light arrow then swords him. Hard.

the master sword is designed to destroy evil beings like Kuja and Link is beyond strong.

link isn't 1000+ otherwise kratos is 2000+ then. at best he is 100 with the gauntlets

Negative, Phanteros, I did the math. Check the Link respect thread. Even TGE checked the match and agreed it is accurate in the general discussion thread.

Edit: furthermore Kratos has nothign to do with this thread and the collossus of rhodes was hollow, made of bronze, and balanaced with rocks in it's base. [I'm a history nerd, but this is a gaming forum, so you can't judge me.]

Exodus, Kuja and his dragon's "reactions" are very clear. They're both bracing against the the blast wave of the attacks that have landed around them. The fire hasn't touched them at all. Before the explosion obscures the camera, we can see Kuja clearly making his way to his dragon to get away. Kuja clearly isn't stupid enough to stand there motionless as Bahamut launches an offensive.

fascist, the images show flames. Fire is coming to engulf Kuja. The explosion that obscures the camera clearly more than just fire, otherwise we'd see nothing but orange/red flames.

I'm not saying Bahamut's attack didn't affect Kuja, because it clearly does. I'm saying that we have no guarantee that Bahamut landed a clear, direct blast on Kuja.

Originally posted by XanatosForever
Exodus, Kuja and his dragon's "reactions" are very clear. They're both bracing against the the blast wave of the attacks that have landed around them. The fire hasn't touched them at all. Before the explosion obscures the camera, we can see Kuja clearly making his way to his dragon to get away. Kuja clearly isn't stupid enough to stand there motionless as Bahamut launches an offensive.

fascist, the images show flames. Fire is coming to engulf Kuja. The explosion that obscures the camera clearly more than just fire, otherwise we'd see nothing but orange/red flames.

I'm not saying Bahamut's attack didn't affect Kuja, because it clearly does. I'm saying that we have no guarantee that Bahamut landed a clear, direct blast on Kuja.

I think Xan actually HAS to be right, how does fire /scratch/ his forhead and make Kuja bleed? That had to be shrapnel.