Why are people even bothering with Starscream? He obviously cant be reasoned with. this is the same person who claimed(and is still claiming) that juggernaut is more durable than galactus,that we should make comic book cartoons canon and recently was claiming that silver surfer cannot phase. Saying that collosus is the second most durable person on earth is just another addition to his long list of nonsense.
Originally posted by Starscream M there was never any statement that thor's godblast was any weaker against juggernaut. you're making that up to justify your position. unless thor actually says that, or its stated in the comic, we can't make stuff up. I could say oh, thor was more pumped for the fight against juggernaut so his godblast was more powerful...see no evidence equals pointless debating.
It was obviously weaker. Just look at the instances. Thor's God Blast directly stems from his Godly Life Force.
It literally gets it's power from Thor himself directly. It makes absolute sense that it was weaker as Thor was so ill he probably was only a bit stronger than a character like Venom at that point.
Originally posted by Starscream M So galactus gets less durable as he gets weaker...gee, classic Juggernaut doesn't suffer from that. Juggernaut is invincible regardless of how worn out he is, since he actually has infinite stamina.
So do other beings. Galactus doesn't tire either, but he needs to feed.
It's not a bad showing for Galactus. All cosmic level threats are defeated through plot devices etc.
Mad Jim Jaspers, Imperiex Prime, etc. The list goes on.
Galactus was defeated by Reed Richards through the only weapon Galan fears.
How would Earth stand any hope against Galactus if he was actually feed?
If Juggernaut weakened without some form of sustenance, he would be much less resistant to attacks than he would be at full power.
A weakened Cain was knocked out by Gambit.
Originally posted by Starscream M how is this relevant to juggernaut's durabiltiy? Did I ever say juggernaut was immune to getting his ass kicked? no. I just said he was immune to damage.
Juggernaut is not immune to physical force. That's baseless as his own master hasn't shown anything to put him above Skyfather from what I know.
Even at Classic levels, he has been harmed.
Going by you're lack of context, Superman can knock out Cain. That was my point. Context is very important.
Originally posted by Starscream MHe says it's the same power, which it obviously is since it's the Godblast, he doesn't say anything about it being the same level of power.
read what thor says, he even says it is the same powerful godblast that hurled back galactus and gave pause to a celestial....and how does juggernaut respond....by mocking thor. the godblast might as well have been a water gun to the mighty juggernaut.
Originally posted by Naija boyoh please
Why are people even bothering with Starscream? He obviously cant be reasoned with. this is the same person who claimed(and is still claiming) that juggernaut is more durable than galactus,that we should make comic book cartoons canon and recently was claiming that silver surfer cannot phase. Saying that collosus is the second most durable person on earth is just another addition to his long list of nonsense.
thor himself says that the godblast he hits juggy with is the same type that drove away galactus and even stopped a celestial...yet juggernaut laughed it off. are you blind?
I never claimed silver surfer cannot phase. I didn't know that about him, and I admit I was wrong.
I never said colossus was the second most durable person on earth. again, learn to read before you comment. i said colossus has the second best durability against PIERCING damage only.
Originally posted by Starscream M
now that I read the scan, I realize that not only was the god-blast hurting galactus, it was killing himcan you ever see classic juggernaut doing anything more than laughing off a godblast? yeah, me neither
That was retconed but you have to understand that at that time, Thor doing that was seen as valid. Now it was retconed that Galactus was weakened.
The God Blast using against Cain was weakened. The difference in power can even be seen.
The God Blast stems directly from his Godly Life Force.
If I recall, Galactus' doesn't even have a true physical body. He is a cosmic entity.
Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympuswow, you said it...so it must be true. regardless of the fact that thor never mentions anything about it being weakened.
The God Blast using against Cain was weakened.
so why would thor mention the godblast beating galactus yet fail to mention that it was a weakened form? odd huh
Originally posted by Starscream M
oh pleasethor himself says that the godblast he hits juggy with is the same type that drove away galactus and even stopped a celestial...yet juggernaut laughed it off. are you blind?
I never claimed silver surfer cannot phase. I didn't know that about him, and I admit I was wrong.
I never said colossus was the second most durable person on earth. again, learn to read before you comment. i said colossus has the second best durability against PIERCING damage only.
Thor said that the God Blast drove back Galactus etc. which it did but you have to take into account, Thor's own health.
He was deteriorating to the point where he could barely stop flying trucks and stay conscious. The God Blast feeds on his Godly Life Force directly. It's power comes from his energy, and seeing as how Thor was severely weakened, it it is just pure logic that a power that stems from Thor directly and depends on him and not some other power source would weaken as well.
Either way, that event does not prove in any way that Cain is more durable than Galactus.
Originally posted by Starscream MIt's obviously weaker, when he shot Galactus with it he had to have it on a stand just to hold it, when he shot the Celestial with it, it crumbled even after being reinforced by the belt or power( or strength, I forget the name).
and he doesn't say it is any weaker...so are we just to assume it was weaker?
Originally posted by Starscream M
read what thor says, he even says it is the same powerful godblast that hurled back galactus and gave pause to a celestial....and how does juggernaut respond....by mocking thor. the godblast might as well have been a water gun to the mighty juggernaut.
It's the God Blast but not the same level of power. It's rather obvious.
Did you just ignore all my other points?
Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympusso why would thor even mention the bit about the godblast driving away galactus if it was so much weaker? wouldn't the whole point of mentioning what it did to galactus and the celestial be pointless?
Thor said that the God Blast drove back Galactus etc. which it did but you have to take into account, Thor's own health.He was deteriorating to the point where he could barely stop flying trucks and stay conscious. The God Blast feeds on his Godly Life Force directly. It's power comes from his energy, and seeing as how Thor was severely weakened, it it is just pure logic that a power that stems from Thor directly and depends on him and not some other power source would weaken as well.
Originally posted by Mindset
It's obviously weaker, when he shot Galactus with it he had to have it on a stand just to hold it, when he shot the Celestial with it, it crumbled even after being reinforced by the belt or power( or strength, I forget the name).
It's completely obvious that it was weaker.
Even with the belt of strength Mjolnir was shattered and the God Blast for Galactus like you said needed a stand and was so powerful it engulfed even Galactus himself.
Either way, it was retconed into Galactus being weakened and in no way, shape or form proves that Cain is more durable than Galactus.....
Originally posted by MindsetI guess it was so obvious that it was weaker that Thor felt the need to mention what it did to galactus and a celestial
It's obviously weaker, when he shot Galactus with it he had to have it on a stand just to hold it, when he shot the Celestial with it, it crumbled even after being reinforced by the belt or power( or strength, I forget the name).
Originally posted by Starscream M
so why would thor even mention the bit about the godblast driving away galactus if it was so much weaker? wouldn't the whole point of mentioning what it did to galactus and the celestial be pointless?
It was mentioned because the attack was still the God Blast but obviously not on the same level of power. It was a narrow beam of energy coming from Mjolnir, while the other God Blast shattered Mjolnir even when the Belt of Strength was used on it, and his other attack engulfed Galactus whole etc.
It takes nothing more than simple skills of observation.
Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympusso galactus being weakened can be damaged
It's completely obvious that it was weaker.Even with the belt of strength Mjolnir was shattered and the God Blast for Galactus like you said needed a stand and was so powerful it engulfed even Galactus himself.
Either way, it was retconed into Galactus being weakened and in no way, shape or form proves that Cain is more durable than Galactus.....
guess what, cain weakened still retains complete invulnerability
hence, cain is more durable since his durability does not get weaker with sustenance or lack of energy...like galactus does.
Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympusuh virtually all comic attacks are drawn differently in different instances
It was mentioned because the attack was still the God Blast but obviously not on the same level of power. It was a narrow beam of energy coming from Mjolnir, while the other God Blast shattered Mjolnir even when the Belt of Strength was used on it, and his other attack engulfed Galactus whole etc.It takes nothing more than simple skills of observation.
sometimes people attack while kneeling, while jumping, etc
that doesn't mean everytime an attack is depicted differently...they're different power levels
since no two attacks are ever drawn the same.
