Sephiroth vs Link

Originally posted by Terryc250
Really.. This guy is bad enough that he takes something, then completely gives Link a ton of feats and ability which Link doesn't even have, it's ridiculous. I guess its the new evolution of fanboyism.

lootic, Link has no feats of being smarter then Sephiroth, thats baseless claims. Sephiroth has feats of being many many folds superior then Link, in terms of movement, and instant teleportation. So therefore, by feats and abilities I can say Sephiroth is far faster then Link.

Where have I been "contradicting"? Perhaps you should find another word from the english dictionary to place there.

"Made out of evil" there's nothing that is "made out of evil" the NL isn't "made out of evil". That's probably something that only exists in the Zelda universe.

Link has never fought anyone as fast as Sephiroth. So it doesn't matter how "defensive" he is, if he doesnt have feats to backup his reaction time, skill, or speed, then in terms of melee combat, Sephiroth > Link.

As it's shown, Ganons energy attacks were still able to harm Link, and Ganon is the evil of LoZ. So therefore it contradicts your theory once again. As i've said before Ingame Evidence > fan theory.

Never has it shown an evil energy fire at Link and it not harming Link at all. Never has it shown Ganon attempting at TK, then TK not working. If any of that was shown, THEN it would be some evidence.

So sorry, but NL works on Link. teleportation means Sephiroth can move out of Links sight, even if Link has some way of harming him. Sephiroth gone, Link gets killed by NL. Game over.

Logic doesn't seem to work on you. Everytime we supply feats you call them "fake feats". So we're the fanboys? NL's never killed a powerful character, it certainly wouldn't kill Link.

Also, go read Lootic's post, it has been shown, Ganon tries to use dark magic on Link, nothing happens, Navi gets messed up and can't even go near Link for the entire fight.

NL does not kill Link, Link kills Sephiroth, with ease.

Even if Seph is soo much faster [show me the fastest thing he ever dodged] he cannot hurt Link, all that's good for is running away, and he can't outrun something thrown by Link, so his best option is to just "teleport to Hawaii". Link wins 20/10

No, because that's what they are: fake feats. Link dodging the speed of sound was a fake feat, Link tanking a moon explosion was a fake feat, Link being invulerable to anything evil was pure speculation which had tons of holes in it. So yeah, all of this nonsense crap you're trying to pull to make Link stronger then he is, is really, a load of horse dung.

Posts and videos are two seperate things. Fan posts is not evidence, while videos are. I've read more then enough of your fan theory speculation junk, so either show me REAL evidence, or concede. No, don't direct me to anymore of your theories, i want REAL evidence.

I've shown you what the lifestream was capable of, like disintegrating meteor, destroying Sephiroths body, killing people exposed to it. Now Sephiroth has atleast a metro city worth of it. Big enough so that you can see it from outer space. Lifestream contaminated with jenova cells, it wouldn't be too healthy having Jenova cells inside Links body.

Far inferior slower characters, who got their power from being infused with Sephiroths cells, casually dodge multiple machine gun fire like nothing. Those characters get stopped by Sephiroth, effortlessly.

Link can't do anything to Sephiroth, Sephiroth wins 100/10 times

The first part of your post is for one, wrong in atleast nine different ways, including strawmen, and the last part is laughable, the middle isn't worth addressing because of how freakin biased and contradictory it is.

Link did dodge majora's whips, which were moving at super sonic speeds, legit feat. Link was inside the moon when it was destroyed, and hurled to the field, as a child. Legit feat.

Sephiroth can't hurt Link, and therefore can't kill him and therefore can't win.

What is the fastest thing Sephiroth ever avoids? You still haven't answered, Seph can't avoid anythign thrown by Link, he'd get torn up, and he can't regen from a light arrow.

Show me Link dodging Majora's whip? Ah that's right, you can't.
Dodging whip =/= Dodging the speed of sound. There are a number of ways to evade it, and a number of ways to block it. You have no proof he legitely "dodged" it as we've discussed before. Since "evading" and "dodging" are different things. Most likely Link just evaded it, and blocked it. Since you know.. Link has no other feats to suggest him being able to dodge the speed of sound.

The moon faded away and became the raindow, the rainbow went a certain direction and Link could've been caught with some of the "inertia"

See, now you're purposely neglecting perfect logic.

Zack who gained his power from being infused with Jenova's cells. Who was Sephiroths biggest fan. While he was only a 2nd class SOLDIER (Sephiroth being the top 1st class SOLDIER and most superior member by far) Zack casually dodged machine gun fire like absolutely nothing at all. The same Zack who tried to step up to Sephiroth when Sephiroth went crazy and got utterly destroyed, in a melee fight. He was outclassed in speed, power, skill and basically couldn't do anything at all.

We've posted a pile of videos of Link dodging the whips, it's not a feat you can deny, how could he get out of the way of those without dodging the speed of sound? Dodging before the attack does no good, and he can't get out of reach.

and now you're suggesting Link rode a rainbow? Lol@usir.

K, can I get anything official on how fast Zack is? =P

Umm.. no you didnt.. how the hell can you if the video is player gameplay anyway? Yes you can evade whips by side stepping, ducking, etc. It's not a bomb, its a whip.

Link rode a rainbow? Sure, if thats what being moved by the force of inertia is.

Zack's only speed feat is taking on basically a shinra squad of riflemen, and dodging all of their bullets.

Zelda games never, ever, use cut scenes for combat. It's part of Nintendo's official modus operandi.

You claimed the moon just 'transmuted', what wouldn't cause inertia.

Alright, I'll be generous with this then. If he is able to dodge bullets that move 860 m/s, that puts his reation time at.. 3096 k/h, let's be generous and call it casual and just make it 3500k/h. Would you agree something moving at say.. 5000k/h would hit Sephiroth with no chance for reaction? Cause I think that sounds reasonable.

So then you really have no evidence of Link being able to dodge the "speed of sound"

Even if it was just mist, the fact that it was being pulled towards a certain area could cause it to push Link at a spot as well.

Except for he was actually dodging assault rifles, and from the projectile wiki that was posted a bullet travels at 920 m/s. Also a couple more big facts. It wasn't just ONE bullet, Assault rifles fire out LOTS per second. And another big factor, it wasn't just ONE Assault rifle firing, it was like 10. And did Zack actually evenbreak a sweat doing it? No, he did it casually with a smile on his face. And how much superior is Sephiroth then Zack? Superior enough that he can take out Zack without even trying at all.

Lol, how's short-assed-arms Young Link going to get close to a monster with whips that long, which knock Link back, without dodging them? This is like assuming Mario can't throw Bowser because the player does that himself.

I was generous with it, tacking on 500k/h for Zack doing it casually, and another 1000 k/h for Sephiroth being > Zack.

So, is 5000k/h satisfactory? 5500K/h? Cause based on feats 5000K is already very generous.

So going by YOUR math theory, Sephiroth casually dodges 5000k at rapid fire? w/e. Lots of people can dodge 1 tennis ball getting tossed at them, but no one can dodge hundreds and hundreds hailing on them at rapid fire.

Link isn't standing still, he's constantly evading (which apparently isn't the same to you as dodging) and blocking, and being hit by some.

By my very basic, extremely generous number chucking, had you read the post, it would take one thing moving at 5000 k/h to be undodgable for Sephiroth. [I added nearly 2 machs to the speed of a bullet.]

Reasonable?

Also, lifting force =/= throwing force. Can the man who can lift the most weights throw faster then a a 110lb'er in the MLB? No.

And huh? If Zack can dodge hundreds of bullets all hailing at him at rapid fire, firing from many many assault rifles, each single bullet travelling at 3500k/h, casually enough that he has a smile on his face, and see's it in slow-motion. What makes you think one object moving at 5000k/h would be undodgeable for Sephiroth who is many many folds more superior then Zack? Remeber, the rapid fire at many many bullets per second + the number of guns, lets say about 200 bullets fire out per second. Makes the difficulty level many folds harder.

Now you're reaching, I gave you TWO machs, that's more than any feat Seph has suggests.

and Link -threw- the rock, I didn't even factor the lift into my math.

No, you're just not understanding that even 3500k/h is nothing to Zack, 3500k/m of about 200 bullets per second firing at him, is nothing to Zack. Multiple bullets = Multiple difficulty. Even with the multiple difficulty its nothing to Zack.

He lifted it and tossed it aside. It's still different. A person who can toss a computer monitor farther then an MLB player, does not mean he can project an object better then him. Brute strength isn't the key to throwing.

He didn't toss it aside, he threw it a few hundred metres over his shoulder, and 5000k/h is a hugely overcompensating, it's beyond generous.

and Zack treating hundreds of 3500k/h as if it were moving at 1m/h means that speed is absolutely nothing to him. Even if the number of bullets were to multiple by hundreds and coming from all directions. And that's Zack, not Sephiroth.

It's still different from projecting an object with a throw. Like i said, the worlds strongest weight lifter can probably toss over his shoulder a computer monitor further then a 110lb MLB player, but does that mean he can project a baseball harder/faster then him?

If both of these people are super human, then probably, yes. Link's preternaturally skilled with every weapon he picks up, and throwing is just a human method for producing energy, if the energy is produced, the source of the energy doesn't matter.

And no, Zack dodged 'hundreds' at 3096k/h. 3500 is a significant jump above that, and 5000 k/h is rediculously generous of me. So, do we have an agreement?

Infact, that's extremely generous of me numberwise in general. I'm constantly rounding numbers down for Link, and I'm about to give you TWO MACHS on what Seph has officially shown, I'd take it before I wise up and decide to be more strict.

You can't assume he's good at everything in the world just because he knows how to use swords, bows, and some others.

Actually its 3312k/h. When I say "hundreds' I don't mean just "hundreds" i mean hundreds per SECOND. And he couldn't have expressed that he was dodging it easier even if it was coming at him at 50k/h.

So you can't neccesarily state 5000k/h DEFINATELY will stop Sephiroth. Because we haven't even seen the level Zack struggles to dodge at yet. If we see what Zack struggles at, perhaps we can make an estimate at what Sephiroth might struggle at.

And also I'm still waiting on the physics equation on what Crisis Core Sephroths feat is. For all we know It's even a bigger feat then Links. Clashing swords with one another, output energy from the clash causing iron to crator, and concrete to crator.

Can you provide a video?

and 5000k/h is extremely generous, lol.

In FF7: Crisis Core, start at 1:50
YouTube video

In FF7: Last order, at 5:00
YouTube video

And another time in Crisis Core that i can't find the vid of.

Who knows, perhaps he'll struggle to dodge something that fast, perhaps it'll still be easy for him. We'll never know until we determine where the character struggles at. If you see a video of me dodging effortlessly something at 5km/h with extreme ease, you can't make a statement saying that 13km/h will definately hit me until you see me struggling at a certain speed. Like for example, see me struggling at 8km/h. Then you can make that sort of statement.