Sephiroth vs Link

Ah, finally, someone to debate with!

Thanks for putting actual effort into this, Killer.

now understand ScreamPastes point and I concede to it, Link is durable enough to lift it, he just doesn't have the strength, however that doesn't mean Sephiroth can't cut him. Going by the logic of if you can't put the same amount of pressure per inch as that pillar can put on link, then you can't cut him would mean that Link can't even cut himself without the gauntlets, which seems wierd, but okay.

Surviving lifting a pillar is not the same as surviving a sword cut at a weaker ppi. Example: If you get your keyboard and swing it at your friends hand with as much force as you can muster , it would probably only bruise it (badly); now get a kitchen knife and slice down on your friends other hand with half as much force as before and what would you expect? Is it because his hand is less durable then the other? no, it is because you used a different medium i.e. Slicing instead of Crushing. I haven't researched but I believe this is because of the sharp point.

So, while you have the right idea, I still think Sephiroth is far behind what it takes to hurt Link in terms of physical strength.

ScreamPaste, in a combat situation do you literally believe that Link would be able to get an Apple OR ANYTHING and throw it at Sephiroth before Sephiroth could do something? Sephiroth wouldn't give him a chance to grab anything, even his own sword.

another factor to take into account is that Link has castable invulnerability which would allow him the time to slow time with his ocarina, making things even harder on Sephiroth.

Because Link can slow time, is so durable, and so strong, [not to mention reasonably quick] I personally believe he could win this fight in a single throw without contest from Sephiroth. the things he could throw are limitless, all they need is to be reasonably dense, and not shaped like a parachute. [a cube would work fine, but your typical stone is more aerodynamic than that.] I have math which I can PM to you, on the energy output of Link's throw, which was not close to the peak of his strength, and I rounded down just for good measure. But you have to promise not to post it.

Then would you be willing to say Sephiroth uses Magic To teleport? (the only way of teleportation I left out thus far)

There is an obvious side effect to this, and I'll make it obvious once some one agrees. How Sephiroth teleports. Why is it important? It determines a lot of things. Namely, the speed he is able to go.

Idk when I was debating against or with Scream, so insult away =P
I usually am talking about my own thing.

Why do you keep bringing up time slowing? Link has to play a freakin song before he can slow down time, his flute would get chopped in half before he even realizes it.

And yes the gauntlets make him stronger, not his entire body stronger, but just the strength in his arms (where the gauntlets are). His body doesn't suffer any of the effects of lifting obviously. The gauntlets take all the pressure. Link was never physically invulnerable to begin with, nor is he ever.

@ K1ll3r - Don't take these guys' words seriously, they actually think Link took a universal explosion and tanked it.

Originally posted by Terryc250
Why do you keep bringing up time slowing? Link has to play a freakin song before he can slow down time, his flute would get chopped in half before he even realizes it.

And yes the gauntlets make him stronger, not his entire body stronger, but just the strength in his arms (where the gauntlets are). His body doesn't suffer any of the effects of lifting obviously. The gauntlets take all the pressure. Link was never physically invulnerable to begin with, nor is he ever.

@ K1ll3r - Don't take these guys' words seriously, they actually think Link took a universal explosion and tanked it.

1. You didn't read what I said, he can cast Nayru's love, then play the song so the Ocarina is invulnerable, thus eliminatign any chance of Seph breaking it. .. Stop calling it a flute.

2. 😆 Baseless claims. They make him stronger, strength in just his arms wouldn't explain why his legs don't buckle? Your logic is not only horrible, you fail at constructing excuses.. Nowhere does it say they absorb the pressure, everywhere it is said they make him stronger, which one is it? Stronger. and yes, he is invulnerable; to Sephiroth who is not strong enough to harm him.

Lastly, lol. Strawman and failed attempt at discrediting me. I actually like Killer, he debates and uses logic. You don't, you just throw baseless claims around all over the place.

By the time it takes Link to cast that, he would have a sword through his head. Or Sephiroth could simply just teleport away and let the NL disintegrate him.

No, his legs wouldn't buckle because the Golden Gauntlet does all the strength. The GG takes all the pressure. Like I said, that's the only real-life way of explanation of it. If Link really had that powerful body to begin with, then he'd beable to lift it without the gloves. But he isn't. Remember that lifting large objects is mostly done with the entire body. So the only other explanation is that the GG strengthens the entire body. In which it doesn't, because Link doesn't gain any physical body boost. So the only explanation as I said before, is that the GG takes in all the pressure allowing Link to lift it.

Dude, you think Link takes universal explosions, shush.

Link gets his head lobbed off before he even realizes it.

wait, wait, hold up. theres a kid here who took my name?? its on. 2guns

Originally posted by Terryc250
By the time it takes Link to cast that, he would have a sword through his head. Or Sephiroth could simply just teleport away and let the NL disintegrate him.

Sure, then you should take that advice yourself. It doesn't matter, teleportation or not, he can move great distances in no time, either by flying with super speed, or teleporting.

By the time it takes Link to cast that, he would have a sword through his head. Or Sephiroth could simply just teleport away and let the NL disintegrate him.

No, his legs wouldn't buckle because the Golden Gauntlet does all the strength. The GG takes all the pressure. Like I said, that's the only real-life way of explanation of it. If Link really had that powerful body to begin with, then he'd beable to lift it without the gloves. But he isn't. Remember that lifting large objects is mostly done with the entire body. So the only other explanation is that the GG strengthens the entire body. In which it doesn't, because Link doesn't gain any physical body boost. So the only explanation as I said before, is that the GG takes in all the pressure allowing Link to lift it.

Dude, you think Link takes universal explosions, shush.

Link gets his head lobbed off before he even realizes it.

As a side note, Lootic was half right, human bone is four times as strong as reinforced concrete. <--Fact.

Come up with something new, I've disproven all your old crap. mariofacepalm

Terry is the best example ever of abusing argumentum ad ignorant.

Terry first read this:

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/science/nature/3811785.stm

come back talk teleportation later

Originally posted by ScreamPaste
Baseless claims/Already debunked baseless claims.

Baseless claims/False/Disproven. The canon says it makes him stronger, not that they absorb the pressure. You're trying to contradict canon with gameplay, and your own poorly constructed theories to discredit Link's incredible strength... which would have broken gameplay had they shown realisticly how it affected him, besides, there was no room left to program it.

Failed attempt at character assassination.

False/Baseless claims. Seph is incapable of 'lobbing' [You meant lopping, I assume?] Link's head off.

As a side note, Lootic was half right, human bone is four times as strong as reinforced concrete. <--Fact.

Come up with something new, I've disproven all your old crap. mariofacepalm

not every description gives a scientific explanation to how it works. However, apparently you guys seem to like to try to give one for everything, so why can't I do the same? It gives Link strength by doing what i explained. Your explanation makes no sense, mine does. Lifting requires all the strength in your entire body, if Link had that strength in his sentire body in the first place he wouldn't have needed the GG. If the GG amped his entire body when he put on the gauntlets, then he would have had a massive increase is physical abilities, in which he did not. Therefore the only explanation is the gauntlets takes in everything. "No time to code" thing is ridiculous. They coded The gauntlets giving him strength, yet they couldn't code him getting strength anywhere else? right.

Failed attempt at character assassination? You guys are the ones who actually believe Link can take universal explosions.

Yes bone is more dense if they're both at the same size. Sephiroth cut columns of skyscrapers, even easier then a hot knife through butter, with so much force that the building part lit ablaze. Sephiroth does this casually with no effort.

@ lootic - apparently you have trouble comprehending english, so go back and read my post a bit more slower. Not everything in fiction works in a scientific method, just how not everything in fiction time travels in a scientific method.

so are you willing to admit Sephiroth uses magic to teleport?

It's simply an ability of Jenovas. Just like it has the ability to shapeshift, and telekinesis, there's no real scientific explanation for it.

**** science. This is magic. this is something else. BUT NOW, you want to say it's the Jenova that gives him that power? Jenova gives him the TK? (I'm guessing he can actually only TK things that have been tainted or come from the Jenova Cells, like you were explaining how Cloud's mind gets read. Or the fact of the buildings, were tainted by the life stream a.k.a Jenova cells infected) So I think we're boiling this down. Sephiroth is all about the Jenova. That's where he actually gets his powers. Seeing as before then, as a normal soldier, he wasn't really capable of such things.

(btw he can't Shapeshift)

But Jenova is how he spawns Jenova monsters, it's how he TK's and it is how he teleports? And Jenova has an explanation. Jenova has a restriction of how it works and operates. Science or not, (SCIENCE doesn't always mean just a restriction to the world we live it) but that the Jenova has a boundary it most follow.

so, Sephiroth's powers come from Jenova. You agree this is how he TK's and Teleports then?

Huh? Sephiroth is Jenova. He became the entity itself.

When he was a human, he was born from jenova cells infused from the womb, that's what seperated him from other infused SOLDIERs, and thats how he obtained his power mind/willpower.

and btw, yes he can shapeshift, or else i wouldn't have said he could.

Sephiroth = Jenova, Jenova = Sephiroth. His power comes from himself

awesome, thank you. Because you sealed the fate. You see, Jenova is Sephiroth, cool. Sephiroth is evil, his TK that comes from the Jenova, is now null and void. He cannot TK Link. He can't not telekinesis Link, the master sword, or anything about him now. Because evil can not touch the wielder of the bane of evil.

"At one point in the ancient land of Hyrule, the Ancient Sages forged a sword to repel evil, since they knew evil ones could abuse the Triforce. Made centuries before becoming Link's most beloved weapon, the Master Sword will not allow itself to be held by just anyone. Only those that are pure of heart and strong of body may lay their hands on the Master Sword. It was imbibed with the power to repel evil, causing its blade to sparkle with a mystical light and its signature yellow gem embedded into the hilt to shine brightly."

"More than mere steel, the Master Sword holds the power to repel those aligned with evil and to banish Twilight. The magic of the Master Sword seems to prevent it from ever being physically damaged. It weathered centuries in the elements as the Temple of Time fell into ruin and eventually collapsed, leaving only the Master Sword and the Pedestal of Time, both seemingly protected from the tear of time, to remain in the Sacred Grove when the Links of Twilight Princess and A Link to the Past would find the blade and wield it in the same manner as their predecessor and ancestor, the blade's first master, the Hero of Time. "

Now, we have to show you the speed of teleprotation via magic. You see, Jenova breaks Sephiroth down to sub-atomic particles in order to pop up some where else. Would you like to take a guess what those particles need to travel on? ...Light perhaps? Yes. It does.

See. I don't care what you THINK about teleportation is the fact is this. If the person teleportating doesn't use Dimensions or wormholes, then they're dematerializing and rematerializing down to atom and particle level and use Light waves/frequency as a stream to travel along. Once again, in your video the energy signature that Sephiroth shows in his teleportation, has light around him. A white Light. The actual color of Light, so yeah, he breaks down and his particles get scattered, then the light carries him to the desired spot.

Link is designed to beat the crap out of people like Sephiroth. Who sure as hell isn't a match for Ganondorf, what made you think he'd be a match for Link?

Again, you've stated that before. Yet have not given me any evidence. Can you show me Ganon attempting to TK Link, then failing? No, you cannot.

There is no evidence there that states Link cannot be affected by anything evil. It says the Master Sword cannot be held by any evil, and that it was created to drive back evil, or rests evil. It does NOT state it makes Link immune to anything evil. Sailor Moon could be stated a force to resist evil or fight against evil, it does not make her immune to evil. Hell, even her famous quote is "I will punish you! I will right wrongs and triumph over evil and that means you!" Sailor Moon is a guardian to defend the earth, and triumph over evil, but still it does not mean she is immune to anything evil.

It has been proven time and time again in games that Link still gets harmed by evil, therefore Link is not immune.

Umm no, there is no evidence that says that. Again you're trying to make a scietific explanation for something that wasn't meant to be. Like I said about time travelling, there's a scientific way to time travel, but obviously most fictional characters don't do that method.

And no, do you really think the game developers of FF7 are scientists? Hell, the game was made in 1997, which is SEVEN years before that article on teleporation was made. Sephiroth simpy teleports the way teleportation is defined as, no scietific method involved.

Sephiroth is above Ganon. The only way Ganon loses to Link is through PIS anyway which isn't induced on these forums. Link simply gets his head chopped in seconds.

pretty sure we did before. I'll go find the evidence to prove you wrong. But some other time. I got cooler shit to do and trolling else where needed atm.

and secondly dude, you act like 1997 is the freaking stone age. It makes me laugh. Teleporation was shown along time before FF and 1997 and like I said was made popular by Star Trek. Comics and shit had it well before and explained how a lot of things like teleportation, telekinesis, and such worked. So, that's where FF had to get their ideas from. You think they could magically pull something out of their ass in the amazing year of 1997? hahah get over yourself.

lol 1997 ...kek...omg....SOOO Long ago...heheh.. :]
The birth of teleportation and telekinesis as we know it right? hehe

any way. You always say that Link is hurt by things that are evil but this is how it works. Game play determines whether Link is hit or not. A person can go through an entire game NEVER being hurt BY A SINGLE THING, never loosing a heart, never being touched, never knowing that Link can be hurt at all. And like you stated, where is the proof Link dodged Majora? well alright, where is the proof Majora ever hit Link too? I mean. Yeah, so and ergo by the way, if the Sword Can't be touched by evil and takes out, repels evil, then the wielder of it also has those attributes. it's just common sense.

I'll get you the damn quotes and cut scenes. But later. I'm really tired of winning too. You get boring to beat.

oh by the way. If you don't want to accept my generous offer to say that Sephiroth can break down to particle level and use the speed of light to carry him, hence going the speed of light, then show me a Jenova speed feat? Show how fast Jenova can go. Because that is what he uses to teleport, purely JENOVA right? well then lets see the speed feat of JENVOA. those cells, lets see it? ...yeah....that's what I thought....so accept the generous offer of a Speed of Light feat. Beause I sure as hell know you have no way to prove or show me how fast he is actually going. Only that it is "really fast" or "100 x faster" ....you need to show some actual proof and feat there mate. So Speed of Light or nothing really. Because its obvious he doesn't use dimensions or worm holes, since you don't see the tear.

Originally posted by Terryc250
not every description gives a scientific explanation to how it works. However, apparently you guys seem to like to try to give one for everything, so why can't I do the same? It gives Link strength by doing what i explained. Your explanation makes no sense, mine does. Lifting requires all the strength in your entire body, if Link had that strength in his sentire body in the first place he wouldn't have needed the GG. If the GG amped his entire body when he put on the gauntlets, then he would have had a massive increase is physical abilities, in which he did not. Therefore the only explanation is the gauntlets takes in everything. "No time to code" thing is ridiculous. They coded The gauntlets giving him strength, yet they couldn't code him getting strength anywhere else? right.

..You have to be joking. Canon>Gameplay. And it wasn't time constraints, it was space on the cartridge. Coding that woul have meant shortening, or completely eliminating, an entire dungeon. OoT was 32 MB, without an expansion pack it would be impossible to program a bigger game.

Canon>Gameplay. It makes him stronger, that is what the game says, the canon says, everythign says, except you. Your explanation makes no sense at all. It's too poor to even be called a strawman, so I'm just gonna call it "ridiculous".

Anything else you said is of little consequence because you've been disproven on all counts, and your attempts at disproving legit feats are laughable. 💃

Neither Sephiroth nor Link would win this fight, because its impossible for them to meet due to existing in different dimensions made by two different companies.

...But Sephiroth would win.