Originally posted by sayiamon
Neither Sephiroth nor Link would win this fight, because its impossible for them to meet due to existing in different dimensions made by two different companies....But Sephiroth would win.
I don't blame you. I blame the fact that there are forty-two pages of this discussion.
Er, forty three.
Originally posted by Voyeur
pretty sure we did before. I'll go find the evidence to prove you wrong. But some other time. I got cooler shit to do and trolling else where needed atm.
and secondly dude, you act like 1997 is the freaking stone age. It makes me laugh. Teleporation was shown along time before FF and 1997 and like I said was made popular by Star Trek. Comics and shit had it well before and explained how a lot of things like teleportation, telekinesis, and such worked. So, that's where FF had to get their ideas from. You think they could magically pull something out of their ass in the amazing year of 1997? hahah get over yourself.
any way. You always say that Link is hurt by things that are evil but this is how it works. Game play determines whether Link is hit or not. A person can go through an entire game NEVER being hurt BY A SINGLE THING, never loosing a heart, never being touched, never knowing that Link can be hurt at all. And like you stated, where is the proof Link dodged Majora? well alright, where is the proof Majora ever hit Link too? I mean. Yeah, so and ergo by the way, if the Sword Can't be touched by evil and takes out, repels evil, then the wielder of it also has those attributes. it's just common sense.
I'll get you the damn quotes and cut scenes. But later. I'm really tired of winning too. You get boring to beat.
oh by the way. If you don't want to accept my generous offer to say that Sephiroth can break down to particle level and use the speed of light to carry him, hence going the speed of light, then show me a Jenova speed feat? Show how fast Jenova can go. Because that is what he uses to teleport, purely JENOVA right? well then lets see the speed feat of JENVOA. those cells, lets see it? ...yeah....that's what I thought....so accept the generous offer of a Speed of Light feat. Beause I sure as hell know you have no way to prove or show me how fast he is actually going. Only that it is "really fast" or "100 x faster" ....you need to show some actual proof and feat there mate. So Speed of Light or nothing really. Because its obvious he doesn't use dimensions or worm holes, since you don't see the tear. [/B]
I have shown you real proof (things you do not) in terms of regular movement speed, when Sephiroth was fighting Cloud (which was stated by the UOG that he didn't even exert himself a bit)
Watch at 3:30, Sephiroth knocks Cloud into the distance building, then flies right infront of him in instantly.
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Frame by Frame, Sephiroth is a spec in the distance, then flies infront instantly
Some feats by Loz (a remnant Sephiroth created that is a fraction of his power)
3:20 Tifa didn't even have time to change her facial expression
YouTube video
Now, where is Links speed feats? Please show them. Some evidence Link is even a fraction of Sephiroths speed? I don't even know why i'm asking, as usual you wont show any evidence. Perhaps another essay theory on how Link might possibly be fast?
@Screampaste - My explanation that makes 100% complete sense, and you're excuse is "zomg the game developers didn't have time to code it!!" and you're saying IM a "strawman" riiiight.
Terry, if you think Fiction doesn't have some basis of being realistic to how things work in that fictional universe, you're dreaming boy. Teleportation was invented with an idea in mind. ...terry honestly man, I don't CARE WHAT YOU THINK. It stands that, THE when the thing/subject/item being teleported is broken down into particles, IT HAS TO USE SOMETHING TO TRAVEL.
I don't care if its fiction, magic, or The brave little toaster shitted that idea out, that is how it works. IN ALL WORLDS, in all universes. Short of quantum teleportation, dimensions, wormholes, then somethinge teleports by disassembling and reassembling, it needs to travel some unseen frequency and wave to go fast, and that is Light. Like I said, if you want to say that it doesn't, then you can't prove it even goes as fast as light, it could be going slower, just still naked to O U R human eye. But you should be smart, and take the offer that I'm giving you the benefit of the doubt that Sephiroth can break down his particles via Jenova, and even go the speed of Light, during teleportation. (not the start up or ending lag)
Originally posted by Terryc250
Umm no you didn't, i've asked about 90 times for real evidence, and you've failed to get any this entire time.Teleportation is simply disappearing and reappearing. Your scientific method means shit. Just like the scientific method for time travelling means shit. This is FICTION. Not every single fiction story used the scientific method of teleportation. I gave you a perfect exmaple of how just about every single time travelling fiction does NOT use the scientific method of time travelling. Teleportation is like that as well.
No, its the sole fact that its CAPABLE of hurting Link. The developers crated the game so that evil things CAN harm Link correct? That's why your entire reasoning that Link is immune to evil things is completely flawed. The sword can't be touched or wielded by anyone evil sure. But making the user of the sword immune to all evil? No. No proof of that.
Haha i always wonder what basing that you're "winning" on? The fact that you always fail to provide evidence and quotes? The fact that you always get debunked on your Bs theories? Yeah if "winning" means you're being owned then sure, you're "winning".
I have shown you real proof (things you do not) in terms of regular movement speed, when Sephiroth was fighting Cloud (which was stated by the UOG that he didn't even exert himself a bit)
Watch at 3:30, Sephiroth knocks Cloud into the distance building, then flies right infront of him in instantly.
16xtn9WK79I&fmt=22Frame by Frame, Sephiroth is a spec in the distance, then flies infront instantly
Some feats by Loz (a remnant Sephiroth created that is a fraction of his power)
3:20 Tifa didn't even have time to change her facial expression
YouTube videoNow, where is Links speed feats? Please show them. Some evidence Link is even a fraction of Sephiroths speed? I don't even know why i'm asking, as usual you wont show any evidence. Perhaps another essay theory on how Link might possibly be fast?
@Screampaste - My explanation that makes 100% complete sense, and you're excuse is "zomg the game developers didn't have time to code it!!" and you're saying IM a "strawman" riiiight.
..The above is proof he hasn't actually read a damn word I said. Everything in it is wrong. He even thinks I called him a strawman.. He doesn't know what a strawman fallacy is, the difference between gameplay and canon, the difference between time and space. [I never said time constraints.] He doesn't understand how the freaking sword works, and continues to banter on about something he does not understand at all, he's claiming the point is it makes Link immune to evil, this is not the point, if he'd read any of my posts he'd know that. He doesn't get math or physics and how they AND the canon apply to the golden gauntlets, he doesn't get anything. Nothing is getting into his skull, but I'll KINDLY recap here, in the hopes of saving him.
1. Coding it would have resulted in a large missing chunk of gameplay, aswell as broken said gameplay, and there was NO SPACE ON THE CARTRIDGE LEFT.
2. Golden Gauntlets make Link stronger, this is canon, if you ignore this I'll just acknowledge your concession, as you're clearly in denial. [Everything in the canon says, literally, that they make him stronger.]
3. The sword does not make him "immune to evil", if you'd read ANY of my posts instead of taking one poorly worded one out of context you'd know that. It protects him from being affected by retarded things like curses, TK, magic seals, ect. The only reason evil came up is because there is SOME debate over whether or not the person trying to do these things to Link has to be evil, Seph IS evil, so that doesn't matter. Link is still able to be physicly harmed by things like explosions which are indirect.
Another great thing about the sword is it can reflect attacks. So even if the NL wasn't totally useless against Link [it is], he could just cut through it/reflect it with his sword.
4. Link's reaction sime is on super sonic levels, this is proven by feats, such as dodging super sonic whip cracks as a child without his peice of the triforce after three days with no sleep at all. =] AND he can slow time, making him appear even faster to everyone else because for all intents and purposes, he is.
6. Link wins this by one shotting Sephiroth, who's too slow to get out of the way, and too frail to survive somethign thrown by Link, with somethign as simple as a thrown stone, or light arrowhead, which would destroy Seph's "will" and "being" because he's evil. =]
7 The master sword is utter anathema to Sephiroth who would have to be STUPID to get close to someone so much stronger and more durable than himself, and if he doesn't, Link throws somethign at him, Seph loses, and this is spite. Lock plx.
Edit: one more thing; Sephiroth is far below Ganon. 😬 Claiming otherwise is beyond fanboy fantasy.
Originally posted by ScreamPaste
..The above is proof he hasn't actually read a damn word I said. Everything in it is wrong. He even thinks I called him a strawman.. He doesn't know what a strawman fallacy is, the difference between gameplay and canon, the difference between time and space. [I never said time constraints.] He doesn't understand how the freaking sword works, and continues to banter on about something he does not understand at all, he's claiming the point is it makes Link immune to evil, this is not the point, if he'd read any of my posts he'd know that. He doesn't get math or physics and how they AND the canon apply to the golden gauntlets, he doesn't get anything. Nothing is getting into his skull, but I'll KINDLY recap here, in the hopes of saving him.
1. Coding it would have resulted in a large missing chunk of gameplay, aswell as broken said gameplay, and there was NO SPACE ON THE CARTRIDGE LEFT.
2. Golden Gauntlets make Link stronger, this is canon, if you ignore this I'll just acknowledge your concession, as you're clearly in denial. [Everything in the canon says, literally, that they make him stronger.]
3. The sword does not make him "immune to evil", if you'd read ANY of my posts instead of taking one poorly worded one out of context you'd know that. It protects him from being affected by retarded things like curses, TK, magic seals, ect. The only reason evil came up is because there is SOME debate over whether or not the person trying to do these things to Link has to be evil, Seph IS evil, so that doesn't matter. Link is still able to be physicly harmed by things like explosions which are indirect.
Another great thing about the sword is it can reflect attacks. So even if the NL wasn't totally useless against Link [it is], he could just cut through it/reflect it with his sword.
4. Link's reaction sime is on super sonic levels, this is proven by feats, such as dodging super sonic whip cracks as a child without his peice of the triforce after three days with no sleep at all. =] AND he can slow time, making him appear even faster to everyone else because for all intents and purposes, he is.
6. Link wins this by one shotting Sephiroth, who's too slow to get out of the way, and too frail to survive somethign thrown by Link, with somethign as simple as a thrown stone, or light arrowhead, which would destroy Seph's "will" and "being" because he's evil. =]
7 The master sword is utter anathema to Sephiroth who would have to be STUPID to get close to someone so much stronger and more durable than himself, and if he doesn't, Link throws somethign at him, Seph loses, and this is spite. Lock plx.
Edit: one more thing; Sephiroth is far below Ganon. 😬 Claiming otherwise is beyond fanboy fantasy. [/B]
Terry, if you think Fiction doesn't have some basis of being realistic to how things work in that fictional universe, you're dreaming boy. Teleportation was invented with an idea in mind. ...terry honestly man, I don't CARE WHAT YOU THINK. It stands that, THE when the thing/subject/item being teleported is broken down into particles, IT HAS TO USE SOMETHING TO TRAVEL.I don't care if its fiction, magic, or The brave little toaster shitted that idea out, that is how it works. IN ALL WORLDS, in all universes. Short of quantum teleportation, dimensions, wormholes, then somethinge teleports by disassembling and reassembling, it needs to travel some unseen frequency and wave to go fast, and that is Light. Like I said, if you want to say that it doesn't, then you can't prove it even goes as fast as light, it could be going slower, just still naked to O U R human eye. But you should be smart, and take the offer that I'm giving you the benefit of the doubt that Sephiroth can break down his particles via Jenova, and even go the speed of Light, during teleportation. (not the start up or ending lag)
How hard is it to understand not all fiction falls scientific methods? Like really? It's not that hard to understand i could tell my little brother and he would. Okay, think about the time travelling method i told you about. Now, do all fiction time travelling use that sceintific method? No, or else the stories wouldn't be as interesting. They use a fictional method of time travelling. Just because they found ways to teleport some molecules, it does not mean all the teleportation laws in every single fiction is changed.
Terry. I can see where you'd think Sephiroth has a chance against Link, but to say he can beat Ganondorf Dragmire? .....you really are a fan boy.....
you don't have to accept the the fact of science and be smart with such a helpful way to prove the speed of his teleportation feat. But until then, his speed during teleportation has no speed, so it can be beat by anything that is recorded to move a speeds not viewable by the human eye.
stop using the word science. You find one god damn word and you nit pick at it. I said F science a while back iirc. I said, this is MAGIC, but Magic still regardless needs to travel along something of a speed base. Light is universal and has the same properties in all worlds/games.
but w/e Terry, no science? fine. Then Sephs Teleportation has no speed determined feat, there for anything fast, wins. Because (X) is greater the 0 (zero) which is the determined speed until you give it a definitive one. Because teleportation only makes you break down to particle level. IN FACT and here, I Love this.
Sephiroth's teleportation is limited to his own normal speeds you see. Because if he breaks down to particle level and then just moves his partilces by his own self, then that would mean (Im BEING GENEROUS STILL) that he can only move as fast as he normally can. Which honestly, lets be honest, sure as hell isn't the speed of light or faster. So you should take that generous offer I gave earlier now.
Voyeur you're in not someone who can be calling anyone a fanboy. Yes he can beat Ganon.
What are you talking about, his teleportation is instantaneous. Why the hell can't i use the word science? You gave me a freakin Link to science for your teleportation explanation. Magic doesn't need anything, you cannot explain magic because it doesn't happen in the real world. You cannot explain summons magically appearing as a huge dragon or what not, nothing can.
No, because teleportation is instant. Teleportation is just dissappearing and reappearing at the spot.
Again, you're trying to define teleportation in fiction as "speed of light", which you cannot do. "Speed of light" was that scientific explanation you gave me on that article. But remember? Fiction doesn't always do the scientific way. Teleporting is defined simply as dissappearing and reassembling at the destination.
Originally posted by Terryc250Listen to me because it took you 40+ pages to finally realize I was saying the pocket universe was blown up and the energy was contained inside there, the moon was merely evaporated as an end result. So LISTEN READ.
Voyeur you're in not someone who can be calling anyone a fanboy. Yes he can beat Ganon.What are you talking about, his teleportation is instantaneous. Why the hell can't i use the word science? You gave me a freakin Link to science for your teleportation explanation. Magic doesn't need anything, you cannot explain magic because it doesn't happen in the real world. You cannot explain summons magically appearing as a huge dragon or what not, nothing can.
No, because teleportation is instant. Teleportation is just dissappearing and reappearing at the spot.
Again, you're trying to define teleportation in fiction as "speed of light", which you cannot do. "Speed of light" was that scientific explanation you gave me on that article. But remember? Fiction doesn't always do the scientific way. Teleporting is defined simply as dissappearing and reassembling at the destination.
Lootic posted that link, A F T E R i told you everything, there is about teleportation. I already knew that stuff because of my innate knowledge on the subject. Psionics & Psychokinetics are my favorite. My favorite character of all time, is from a 1988 released Japanese Manga and Anime teleports. That is a science fiction, made up thing. BUT YOU KNOW WHAT, teleportation HAS RULES even then. I don't care where it is at, where it is from. When you use words like "instantaneous", so is a blink. So, 300-400 milliseconds. So if time is slowed down even a fraction, you can see Sephiroth's teleportation? See, Speed is the defining factor here genius. And you need to catch on to that, or his teleportation is only as fast as blinking then.
Teleportation is made, it is fiction, WE ALL KNOW THAT. But it doesn't mean it isn't free of confine and basis to how it works brainiac or how fast some one goes during it. Same with Magic. it is made up but HOW IT WORKS in the Game, how it works in that universe and world, is where it is restricted and bounded too. That is where the rules lie. And you know who made that game? Humans, like you and me, in this world, our world. So where do you think they base some of their ideas off of? Science, physics and so forth. Humans get ideas from every where. So in that universe, the world of the game, that magic HAS rules, it has a general idea of its source, the way it works, etc. (e.g. MATERIA) So learn that, and EVERYONE learn that, just because magic isn't in our world, doesn't mean it doesn't have rules or a basis way of working in video game worlds or what ever universe it may be.
Like I said, you don't want to accept that he can at least go speed of light while placing his particles to travel a stream and frequency waves of protons? fine, don't accept that. But until you can prove other wise how actually fast he is going besides the word "instantaneous", then he is nothing more then a blink of an eye, which is only 300-400 milliseconds time and easy to react for some one of Link's caliber, since normal MMA fighters can. I rest my case.
iirc teleportation does not happen in an instant, it may seem that way, but things are still moving from one spot to another. I think its particles are something, like voyeur said, there just invisible to the naked eye becuase they move so fast. It may be so fast almost near an instant, but i think its just physics, teleportation still has the person moving, just very fastly.
Originally posted by k1Lla441You got it :]
iirc teleportation does not happen in an instant, it may seem that way, but things are still moving from one spot to another. I think its particles are something, like voyeur said, there just invisible to the naked eye becuase they move so fast. It may be so fast almost near an instant, but i think its just physics, teleportation still has the person moving, just very fastly.
And Actually that is the key difference and bonus to being able to teleport.
The matter literally is breaking down to particle level, so that person isn't really existing as their original whole anatomical structure at the moment. That's why starting lag and ending lag of energy signatures during that kind of teleportation takes a while. It is also why, Light, the energy of the protons it has, is used to carry a person while at particle and sub-atomic levels.
Teleporting at the speed of light makes you intangible at the moment, compared to being able to just move at the speed of light.
It is also why dimension rifting, worm hole or quantum teleportation is faster then the energy signature kind of *dematerializing* because one needs time to break down their particles, the other is staying as the whole body and just walking through something and appearing some where else.
None the less, teleportation is greater over just moving fast.
Originally posted by k1Lla441
iirc teleportation does not happen in an instant, it may seem that way, but things are still moving from one spot to another. I think its particles are something, like voyeur said, there just invisible to the naked eye becuase they move so fast. It may be so fast almost near an instant, but i think its just physics, teleportation still has the person moving, just very fastly.
Not if you consider theories of space warping, a la "Event Horizon." Of course, who knows how much bull the author of "Jurassic Park" put into his books is anyone's guess, but it at least sounds plausible enough to make sense.
Originally posted by Terryc250
Who the **** cares how you worded it, the meaning is the same, if you think i'm picking at straws or what not, i'm not into your internet slang. Get over it. I don't understand how a freakin sword works? wtf? That's a random comment. What sword? The point is, you have ZERO evidence to claim Link is immune to those things. Stop crying, it's just an internet forum. Crying isn't going to make evidence appear out of no where. Either you obtain some evidence, or accept that Link does not have that ability.See the video Voyeur posted, as well as the rediculous plethroa of evidence in the respect thread. And Crying? Lol. I might cry if you were my son or something, but as I have no real responsibility to try and teach you logic, and do so only out of the good of my shrivelled little internet heart, no. My investment in you is nil, so no tears. =]
Furthermore, google "strawman fallacy". You might understand what it means if you hear it from someone you're not ignoring on purpose.
Right, you talk like the developers just realized it after they finished the game, and went "oops, oh well, no more space". If it were true, the game would've been different from when he acquired it. Just face it, Link doesn't have that kind of invulnerability. It's blatantly obvious.
The above makes no sense, for one. Golden Gauntlets don't make him invulnerable to Sephiroth. His own body does, it's durable enough to withstand attacks from Ganondorf who is by the way FAR beyond Sephiroth. He's what Seph wants to be when he grows up, infact. 😐 Make the thread, I dare you.
And no. It would have broken the gameplay. Broken gameplay makes the last dungeon less epic.
Yeah they do, only strength in his arms though. Not his entire body.
Then his legs don't buckle why?
Show me evidence of him being immune to TK? Curses and TK are totally different. Curses can be considered something that's cureable, TK isn't. What makes explosions not evil and TK evil? TK can be used by good people as well, curses can be something that can be cured. TK is not. So you either have proof of him being immune to TK, or you don't.
See the video Voyeur posted of Link resisting Ganon's power without actually doing anything. =] Or Link's curse being broken just by standing near the sword. Or of Zelda being bubbled so that Ganon can steal her triforce, and Link not being bubbled. Or of a hundred different things. It's proven that the sword protects him, stop reaching. Denial doesn't look good on your pretty little e-face. =[
Umm first of all, NL would destroy Link in seconds. Second of all, he isn't going to be reflecting a metropolis sized NL ontop of him.
Lol, false, NL's never done anything of ntoe to anyone of note. =P Also, if it deflects lightning and deific power, the NL is squat.
LOL no it's not. Beisdes the fact that you have no proof he dodged whips, dodging whips isn't even hard. He has to play a freakin song before he can "slow time"
See the video of Link fighting Majora as a child, at the end of three consecutive days with no sleep, without his piece of the triforce. And dodging a whip is not easy, you'd have ot be MISSED, especially by whips like Majora's.
Your imaginary Link loses, Real Link gets curbstomped hard.
Sephiroth is too slow? He's countless folds faster then Link. Or Sephiroth could simply do the same to Link, by tossing a rock into his head. Too bad Link isn't immune to TK. We don't exist in your dreams where you can claim whatever you want, we exist in the real world, where you need proof to back up your claims, in which we all know you have no proof.You are the one without proof and my 'imaginary' Link is the CANON Link, so either accept it and debate, [You'll still lose, but you won't look as bad.] or concede. [the most logical option for you.]
Sephiroth has never dodged a comet, or a railgun, even. Nothing close to it. And he's not even CLOSE to as strong as Link. o_o Like I said, fanboy fantasy. Also, nowhere near as durable as Link, see Ganon who btw is >>>>>>>>> Sephiroth.
No, its not. Sephiroth is far faster. Remeber the feat I've given you a ton of times? Yeah, Sephiroth is stronger too, Link gets sliced apart and fast, then crushed by the NL til he turns into dirt. Spite indeed.
And now you see why you have no credibility. Link is literall [I get to use your math now!] 100 x stronger [teehee] than Sephiroth by feats, and we haven't even seen the top end of Link's strength. o: Like I said, Sephiroth's never dodged a comet, Link wins in a single throw... and Seph can't hurt him, see fighting Ganon.
Wrong, hes above.
LOL mariofacepalm OLOL . Please.. make the thread.. 😆 It'll be over in seconds.
How hard is it to understand not all fiction falls scientific methods? Like really? It's not that hard to understand i could tell my little brother and he would. Okay, think about the time travelling method i told you about. Now, do all fiction time travelling use that sceintific method? No, or else the stories wouldn't be as interesting. They use a fictional method of time travelling. Just because they found ways to teleport some molecules, it does not mean all the teleportation laws in every single fiction is changed.
so rather than accepting facts and the best possible explanations you get to make up your own little fantasy about why it works and is superior to how it would actually work? No. That's not how debates work, sorry.
In closing. This is spite, Link wins with ease. Make the Ganondorf thread and prepare to cry. 💃
Originally posted by Voyeur
Listen to me because it took you 40+ pages to finally realize I was saying the pocket universe was blown up and the energy was contained inside there, the moon was merely evaporated as an end result. So LISTEN READ.Lootic posted that link, A F T E R i told you everything, there is about teleportation. I already knew that stuff because of my innate knowledge on the subject. Psionics & Psychokinetics are my favorite. My favorite character of all time, is from a 1988 released Japanese Manga and Anime teleports. That is a science fiction, made up thing. BUT YOU KNOW WHAT, teleportation HAS RULES even then. I don't care where it is at, where it is from. When you use words like "instantaneous", so is a blink. So, 300-400 milliseconds. So if time is slowed down even a fraction, you can see Sephiroth's teleportation? See, Speed is the defining factor here genius. And you need to catch on to that, or his teleportation is only as fast as blinking then.
Teleportation is made, it is fiction, WE ALL KNOW THAT. But it doesn't mean it isn't free of confine and basis to how it works brainiac or how fast some one goes during it. Same with Magic. it is made up but HOW IT WORKS in the [b]Game
, how it works in that universe and world, is where it is restricted and bounded too. That is where the rules lie. And you know who made that game? Humans, like you and me, in this world, our world. So where do you think they base some of their ideas off of? Science, physics and so forth. Humans get ideas from every where. So in that universe, the world of the game, that magic HAS rules, it has a general idea of its source, the way it works, etc. (e.g. MATERIA) So learn that, and EVERYONE learn that, just because magic isn't in our world, doesn't mean it doesn't have rules or a basis way of working in video game worlds or what ever universe it may be.Like I said, you don't want to accept that he can at least go speed of light while placing his particles to travel a stream and frequency waves of protons? fine, don't accept that. But until you can prove other wise how actually fast he is going besides the word "instantaneous", then he is nothing more then a blink of an eye, which is only 300-400 milliseconds time and easy to react for some one of Link's caliber, since normal MMA fighters can. I rest my case. [/B]
Fiction doesn't always have rules. Its just like TIME TRAVELLING, why can't you understand that? The definition of teleporting is vague, its simply to disappear and reappear at a different location, whereas time travelling is simply to travel back and forth through time. Most time travelling in fiction doesn't use the scientific way, and most teleporting don't use the scientific way. They simply just use the defined way.
Sephiroth simply teleports, if you want to stick with your opinion that all teleportation must be done that way, fine go do that. I'm just telling you, teleportation and time travelling have been in fiction for many many years before those theories were even created. A lot of times they happened through magical processes. You cannot say "teleporting must be done this way, and time travlling must be done that way" You are not one to define how things are done in fiction.
The source of magic in FF7 is the lifestream, not materia.
Link hasn't proven to have any faster reaction time then even an MMA fighter.
and even a blink of an eye is far to fast for an MMA fighter. Considering teleporting somwhere wont be directly infront of them, and considering Sephiroths speed itself, if he "blinked" behind the person and cut, the fighter wouldn't have time to react.
@ Screampaste
See the video Voyeur posted, as well as the rediculous plethroa of evidence in the respect thread. And Crying? Lol. I might cry if you were my son or something, but as I have no real responsibility to try and teach you logic, and do so only out of the good of my shrivelled little internet heart, no. My investment in you is nil, so no tears. =]Furthermore, google "strawman fallacy". You might understand what it means if you hear it from someone you're not ignoring on purpose.
Golden Gauntlets don't make him anymore invulnerable period. His own body isn't invulnerable as well. Withstanding attacks from Ganondorf is probably Link's only actual real feat. And I'm being LENIENT here, because Link has only taken hits from Ganon in gameplay, where gameplay balance took place. Which I can always say Sephiroth tanked tons of slashes from Clouds Ultima Weapon, Barretts Machine Gun fire Unarmax and castastrophe beams, and Bahamut Zero's huge deathray beam from outer space. Which is a far bigger feat then simply taking Ganons hits.
Once again, Ganon vs Sephiroth has already been done in the past, which Ganon didn't win. Even in Chaos Vincent vs Ganon, everytime i ask for some evidence, people just disappear. It's funny. All people usually do is attempt at downplaying Vincent.
Because the Golden Gauntlets take in all the pressure? Allowing him to lift almost anything he wants?
He resisted waves? How is that evidence that he is immune to TK? It's not, again everything you're claiming is speculation. Once you get some real evidence (not speculation), then show me.
Except for helping disintegrate a meteor that would've wrecked the planet, destroying Sephiroths first body, killing countless people who were barely exposed to it in Midgar. And what does Link do? Takes Ganons punch? That's cool.
Yeah, the video is gameplay, so Link we don't even know if Link actually dodged the whips, even if he did dodge a couple its not that hard.
No, you're imaginary Link is not "canon Link". Canon Link requires you know, real evidence of your claims? No no, not speculation, but e v i d e n c e .
Sephiroth doesn't need to dodge a comet or railgun, because Link gets a sword through his head before he can do anything. Link doesn't even have any real durability feats except maybe taking hits from Ganon.
And no Ganon is not above Sephiroth. He's not even above Chaos vincent. He needs an artifact to boost up his strength and magical powers.
Again, Ganon couldn't even win the Chaos Vincent thread, what makes you think he would beat Sephiroth? All it would be is me asking you for evidence, and you failing to provide it as usual.
😆 I take that to mean; "I can't accept a clear and brutal loss." Sephiroth has nothing, and half your post didn't even make sense, let alone the parts that were pure denial and/or already disproven/debunked.
Sephiroth is not strong enough to hurt Link, who does have super sonic reflexe speed, and is literally, atleast 100 x stronger than Sephiroth, the gauntlets make him stronger, they do not take the pressure, his body does, They do not make him more durable, he simply is that durable. And AFTER he does it, he gets more durable, you have to throw one of those rocks to get at the great fairy of courage who doubles your durability. Link simply throws something at Sephiroth, and Seph dies, you have no evidence to the contrary and your feeble arguments against Link are just that, feeble. They're illconceived and poorly constructed. They're wrong, also, Ganon > The FF7 Universe, see the thread on the front page, which btw, got locked for spite against Sephiroth. What could Sephiroth do to stop being sealed between dimensions? Nothing. mariofacepalm In closing, Link wins, Ganon wins, Seph loses, you lose, I win. =] Now kindly report this for spite.
LOL perhaps you should take some reading lessons then.
Again you've said Link has "super sonic reflex speed" yet you can't show me. It's hilarious. I'm going to Sephiroth blows up universes with his mind, then if people ask me for evidence i'll just ignore it as well.
Again, Lifting takes the entire BODY to lift. If Link had that strong physical body to begin with, he wouldn't have needed the Golden Gauntlets. So that would mean the GG gave his entire body strength, which is did not. So the only logical explanation is that the GG does all the things neccessary for lifting, not Links body.
Sephiroth throws something at Link, Link dies. Sephiroths cuts Link in half, Link dies. Sephiroth crushes him with the NL, Link dies.
Doesn't make it true at all, the previous threads, Sephiroth won. Again, watch i'll ask you for evidence that Ganon can seal anyone even those directly infront of him. And you'll fail to prove it.