Originally posted by ScreamPaste
]Link has super sonic reaction speed, and can slow time, AND if he throws something at Seph, it'san instant win for Link. Your logic is flawed and totally ignores the CANON. They. Make. Him. Stronger.
Sephiroth can simply throw stuff at Link too, he would be faster at tdoing it, and unlike Sephiroth, Link won't regenerate. No its not flawed, how is it? Yes they do make him stronger, by how I explained, and what the canon tells us. from the power "in his arms" not his entire body. His arms only do the lifting.
Durabiity =/= strength. I've explained that 100 times, being durable enough to survive 2600000000 joules of reactive force does not make youstrongenough to generate it, Link with the gauntlets, is both. Furthermore, his legs did not buckle, and this is clearly not the limit of his strength, or durability, a he took hits from Ganon which could disintegrate stone, and survived, Sephiroth cannot generate that kind of force.Canon>You.
First off, show me Ganon disintegrating stone. Second, show me Link taking hits outside of gameplay, where balance is induced. I've already told you many times, that taking hits in gameplay means shit. Just like Sephiroth taking a hundred chops from Cloud, and huge DBZ style beams from outer space.
Terry, you could learn alot from this guy, see how we're on opposite sides of the debate, and he can accept a point, or look into things further? So far, Terry, you've outright ignored/dismissed all the arguments in favour of Link for the sole reason that you don't want Seph to lose. Killer uses some /logic to /debate.
Also, Links strength does not > Sephiroths TK. Since you know, Sephiroth has stopped a planet wrecking power with it before.
Originally posted by ScreamPaste
Link has super sonic reaction speed, and can slow time, AND if he throws something at Seph, it'san instant win for Link. Your logic is flawed and totally ignores the CANON. They. Make. Him. Stronger.Durabiity =/= strength. I've explained that 100 times, being durable enough to survive 2600000000 joules of reactive force does not make youstrongenough to generate it, Link with the gauntlets, is both. Furthermore, his legs did not buckle, and this is clearly not the limit of his strength, or durability, a he took hits from Ganon which could [b]disintegrate
stone, and survived, Sephiroth cannot generate that kind of force.Canon>You.
Terry, you could learn alot from this guy, see how we're on opposite sides of the debate, and he can accept a point, or look into things further? So far, Terry, you've outright ignored/dismissed all the arguments in favour of Link for the sole reason that you don't want Seph to lose. Killer uses some /logic to /debate.
But yeah, the sword has an aura of sorts, like how it broke the curse on Wolf Link without him needing to touch it, so I'm not sure whether or not his belongings are protected, if they aren't though, he can simply close his hands around the important ones, and simply throw his sheild, it'd be moving to fast for Seph. [Meteoric speed+, x2 by Link's ability to slow time.], then follow up with a light arrow, or something. [/B]
Found this slow time ability:
When Link plays the Song of Time backwards, all events directly related to the flow of time will move at half-speed. This affects the flow of time, and scripted movements such as Anju's movements, but not events that aren't directly involved with the flow of time such as an enemy's attack pattern or the rate at which Link can move. This variation of the tune is called the "Inverted Song of Time".
Source: http://www.zeldawiki.org/Inverted_Song_of_Time#Majora.27s_Mask_Tricks
So it would be 'Meteoric' speed which has a maximum speed of 40 Kilometers a second.
Source: http://www.ace.mmu.ac.uk/eae/atmosphere/older/Meteors.html
However, even if the shield sliced through Sephiroth (it would) he would then have a quick 'reunion' of his cells. The light arrows would probably harm him a fair bit considering they contain some magic power although Sephiroth could parry or dodge it.
Also how could he have his hands around the important ones? If he were to hold his gauntlets how would he throw his shield? If he were to hold anything how would he do anything else? Also why would he just randomly hold his things? If the fight just started and Sephiroth reads his mind then finds out pretty much everything is in his items he could then TK them off, Link would be arching to throw his shield and wouldn't have gauntlets on his left arm, his flute gone along with his clothes and every other item (except the shield and right arm gauntlets in this situation).
Then Sephiroth casts Bahamut ZERO. (Not sure if that would kill Link but with only the Master Sword left there isn't much else he can do).
The Master Sword: (Paraphrased) Basically it is a sword that doesn't allow evil to hold it, it repels evil away from it.
http://www.zeldawiki.org/Power_to_Repel_Evil
http://www.zeldawiki.org/Master_Sword
Technically TK isn't evil, the person TKing however is. Same with the Negative Lifestream it is like a knife being wielded by Sephiroth instead of the planet.
Lol no he doesn't, jeez. Show me Link's supersonic reaction speed haha, please do.Sephiroth can simply throw stuff at Link too, he would be faster at tdoing it, and unlike Sephiroth, Link won't regenerate. No its not flawed, how is it? Yes they do make him stronger, by how I explained, and what the canon tells us. from the power "in his arms" not his entire body. His arms only do the lifting.
See Majora, or Ganon, or Aganihm, or Zant.
Hahaha, I'm going to point out that not only are you dontradicting CANON FACT, you're contradicting yourself, here. Your logic is terrible, and no, Seph cannot generate the force to throw something as hard as Link.
Thanks, by the way, for proving me right, here.
It's not being durability its LIFTING strength. I've told you numerous times when you LIFT you don't just lift with your arms, your ENTIRE BODY does the lifting. Seriously, when you lift a heavy object, you don't just lift with your arms while your body does nothing but takes the "reactive force". ALL the muscles in your body does the lifting from your legs to your chest, your shoulders, etc. it ALL does the lifting.[csm]dur[csm] EXACTLEH why his legs not buckling shows the strength in his legs! =] THUS; we can conclude, that one way or another, his legs CAN support that much reactive force, which, by the way, would turn Seph into paste.
Also, he threw it, not lifted it, and 'lifting strength', lol wut? So, if you're strong enough, you can lift up a sky scraper, and not get crushed, because it's just lifting strength? Or, if you're super durable, you can AUTOMATICLY generate as much force as you can withstand? No. False. Flawed. You're reaching, badly.
it ALL does the lifting. His legs did not buckle or his body did not buckle because the GG does all the lifting. Links body NEVER had that kind of lifting strength, or else he wouldn't have needed the GG. Hence why after he attained it he gained all the "power" in his "arms" and only his arms.1. No, this contradicts CANON, and you have no EVIDENCE, of your THEORY.
2. Lol, that makes no logical sense whatsoever. I've told you about 100 times now, no matter how strong you are, you can't throw something if that amount of force will kill you, it clearly will not kill Link.
3. The ONLY time it even says the word "arms" and it never says "only arms", btw, is in the equipment screen, when you put your cursor over the gauntlets, which gives you a gameplay description of them. Whether you like it or not, Link has god-like strength thoughout his entire body, as his legs did not even strain.
First off, show me Ganon disintegrating stone. Second, show me Link taking hits outside of gameplay, where balance is induced. I've already told you many times, that taking hits in gameplay means shit. Just like Sephiroth taking a hundred chops from Cloud, and huge DBZ style beams from outer space.This is where I point out that comparing FF7 to Zelda is flawed from the start. Zelda doesn't blatantly use pretty effects because they can, or force us into turn-based combat. I'd also like to point out that as an antagonist, Sephiroth needed to be able to survive hits that he wouldn't had they occured in a cutscene, because he can't avoid getting hit in a turnbased game.
You know already, that Zelda games never, ever, use cutscenes for combat, Nintendo's modus operandi is that you have to PLAY the game, not watch it. That said, it's canon fact that Link takes hits from him, lol. Your assumption otherwise is beyond unreasonable, which I've come to expect from you. It's in the art, it's got it's own special reaction from Zelda [who screamgasps], it has it's own special animation when you get hit, it's in the managa, it's the final epic fight between the two main characters of the game, who possess godlike power.
This is just a cop-out on your behalf, so lol. You want to debate Link? Be grateful Zelda combat isn't an exagerated, turn based, mess, because debating Link means accepting the fights with the antagonists of each game, Link doesn't do combat cutscenes, it's a game, not a movie, and there's no logical reason the player should have to watch combat they can just do themselves.
No, because i'm skeptical of fanboys. Everytime i ask for proof, they just give me essays of theories on why it might be possible. While showing no real evidence.Lol, he's calling me a fanboy. Atleast I haz teh evidence, teh physics, teh math, and teh canonz. Seph can't TK Link anyway, so that's moot.Also, Links strength does not > Sephiroths TK. Since you know, Sephiroth has stopped a planet wrecking power with it before.
Found this slow time ability:This has been covered, thanks for actually looking into it, though. =P Essentially, it does indeed slow time, all the canon events happen slower, people move through town in what amounts to slow motion, time [you have a clock onscreen at all times] moves slower. If they had applied this to the combat, it would have broken gameplay neatly over it's knee, it's that simple. It remains canon that it [i]did slow down time, and everythign that relies on it[b/] though.
When Link plays the Song of Time backwards, all events directly related to the flow of time will move at half-speed. This affects the flow of time, and scripted movements such as Anju's movements, but not events that aren't directly involved with the flow of time such as an enemy's attack pattern or the rate at which Link can move. This variation of the tune is called the "Inverted Song of Time".Source: http://www.zeldawiki.org/Inverted_S...27s_Mask_Tricks
So it would be 'Meteoric' speed which has a maximum speed of 40 Kilometers a second.
Also, 40 km/s is enough to bonk Sephiroth.
However, even if the shield sliced through Sephiroth (it would) he would then have a quick 'reunion' of his cells. The light arrows would probably harm him a fair bit considering they contain some magic power although Sephiroth could parry or dodge it.Also how could he have his hands around the important ones? If he were to hold his gauntlets how would he throw his shield? If he were to hold anything how would he do anything else? Also why would he just randomly hold his things? If the fight just started and Sephiroth reads his mind then finds out pretty much everything is in his items he could then TK them off, Link would be arching to throw his shield and wouldn't have gauntlets on his left arm, his flute gone along with his clothes and every other item (except the shield and right arm gauntlets in this situation).
The Master Sword: (Paraphrased) Basically it is a sword that doesn't allow evil to hold it, it repels evil away from it.http://www.zeldawiki.org/Power_to_Repel_Evil
http://www.zeldawiki.org/Master_SwordTechnically TK isn't evil, the person TKing however is. Same with the Negative Lifestream it is like a knife being wielded by Sephiroth instead of the planet.
Here's where the debate between Zelda fans comes up. What the sword defends against, as a plotsheild, are mainly Ganon's really OP, [over powered] broken, abilities. These include TK, sealing things in between dimensions, banishing them to other dimensions, physicly forcing two dimensions to overlap, possession, bubbling, the list goes on. The sword protects from these, the only debate is whether the source of these powers needs to be evil, Seph, in this case, is evil. He controls the NL, like when Ganon possessed Zelda, and Link could deflect her power, the Ganon was in control. It's also deflected lightning and such, and shot beams in aLttP, it's a sexy sword.
Also, Link has the mirror sheild for bahamut, who is relatively featless, if I remember right.
Also, deflecting a light arrow is hard when you've been bisected, lol. Link could just throw the head of one, instead of using his bow, but a bow works nice.. The speed of an arrow is dependant on the energy stored in the bow, via tension, or pull. Link, obviously, can supply a ridiculous amount of tension, the only question here is, can the bow use enough of that? I'll go find a video of Link firing an arrow into the sun, brb.
YouTube video Link can fire an arrow into the sun, and the reward is a spell which allows him to set his own arrows on fire, win.
I'd also argue that a light arrow could probably kill Sephiorth outright, they're one of the only things that can hurt Ganon, and Ganon can survive THE master sword in his FACE.. he just .. well he never dies, ever, of anything, just gets pissed off and has to be sealed away when his power is weakened.
As a side note, thanks again for being a logical debator, Killer. =P
Responding to points from last to first.
Shooting arrow into sun.
In the time it took to pull back the string Sephiroth could have been behind Link casting Comet3. A light arrow would harm Sephiroth yes, but only because of the magical power (I would say similar to power to a Braver, maybe a bit less), and even then only if they hit him.
Link slowing down time.
I am not sure where you get that canon about the time thing from, I did only just have a look at a wiki so some more explanation would be nice. Like how would it break gameplay if link moved 2x faster? Also Sephiroth could cast Haste on himself and Slow on Link, basically negating the effect. (About in the same time it would take Link to play that song)
Shield
Since that attack would be physical, even if thrown flat (like | not like _) Sephiroth would still have cells that would come together, he would possibly be a bit weaker but that is about it. Remember, canonically he can come back with enough cells to make up an arm (using Jenovas shapeshifting abilities). Not to mention the drawback of the attack would be long enough for Sephiroth to be anywhere else.
Don't get me wrong he would be splattered, just not enough =).
Mirror Shield on Bahamut ZEROs beam.
Link wouldn't even know to use the Mirror Shield before Bahamut ZEROs blast hit him, yeah it is featless but the explosion he creates from space is pretty big =).
Master Sword
By that logic, anything near the Master Sword at all would be able to stop anything done by anything evil, so Sephiroth couldn't even TK a rock nearby Link because the Master Sword is near it. Example, if Link went near Zelda it should have negated all control Ganon had over her because that was evil?
The Master Sword does reflect her magic attack thing, but can you say that was the Swords power?
Maybe Ganon just didn't think to try and TK his belongings =P.
It wouldn't take more then a second for Sephiroth to rejoin with his cells if split apart by the shield. Would the light arrow still have the affects of a light arrow if it was only a head? The time it would take Link to pitch his shield would be enough for Sephiroth to be anywhere else, but even if splattered or sliced by the shield, he would still have a very high chance of his cells reuiniting.
I believe, by the rules that Sephiroths lose condition would be when he is unable to regen to full and disperses to the lifestream to start a reunion from scratch again. Which by the way requires his cells to basically be disintergrated.
Man, if I was allowed to use FFVII gameplay I could just say Seph has Final Attack + Phoenix. xD
Also, if Sephiroth used the Negative Lifestream like Weiss used the Lifestream he would be able to tank the shield. Sephiroth in his weakest form, can beat Weiss in combat without materia at all.
Shooting arrow into sun.I think you underestimate Link's speed, tbh, he's proven to react to things that are super-sonic, like Majora's whips, and the draw time on a bow, is largely due to the resistance and comparitively weak strength of a human archer, Link would have little issue pulling one off, imho =PIn the time it took to pull back the string Sephiroth could have been behind Link casting Comet3. A light arrow would harm Sephiroth yes, but only because of the magical power (I would say similar to power to a Braver, maybe a bit less), and even then only if they hit him.
Link slowing down time.I played Majora's Mask all the way through about ten times. Essentially, it does slowdown time, everything dependant on time in it's gameplay mechanics was slower, people walked slower, events took longer to come about, the clock moved slower, days lasted longer. But the combat couldn't be affected by this for two reasons. 1: Extreme easy mode. It's break gameplay by making it too easy. 2: Could you imagine coding a scaling timeframe for attack animations? Nintendo are good, but that'd take months to devlope and perfect just on it's own, especially back in the N64 days.I am not sure where you get that canon about the time thing from, I did only just have a look at a wiki so some more explanation would be nice. Like how would it break gameplay if link moved 2x faster? Also Sephiroth could cast Haste on himself and Slow on Link, basically negating the effect. (About in the same time it would take Link to play that song)
This brings me to another point, Sephiroth takes time to cast his spells, and would be vulnerable during those times.
Shieldwell, here's where it gets interesting. What amounts ot a lump of steel flying through hte atmosphere at speeds in excess of space-craft re-entry would generate so much heat, due to friction, that it'd literally pop every cell it came into contact with, aswell as expand and possibly explode on ontact with Seph's body because the heat would make it very malleable. [That's if he threw the Hylian sheild, which is expendable, because he has the better mirror sheild.].Since that attack would be physical, even if thrown flat (like | not like _) Sephiroth would still have cells that would come together, he would possibly be a bit weaker but that is about it. Remember, canonically he can come back with enough cells to make up an arm (using Jenovas shapeshifting abilities). Not to mention the drawback of the attack would be long enough for Sephiroth to be anywhere else.
Don't get me wrong he would be splattered, just not enough =).
Essentially, it'd do a very substantial amount of damage, and atleast give Sephiroth a couple seconds of involuntary pause. Factor in the extreme heat, and extreme level of kenetic energy and Sephiroth's entire body would be destroye,d or atleast rendered mulchy, in the time he spends regenning, Link's already working on his next move.
Mirror Shield on Bahamut ZEROs beam.this is the one thing about Final Fantasy games and such that irks me in the pants. Take for instance Sephiroth's supernova ability, which destroys several planets in the solar system everytime he uses it, if we go by that video. The next time he uses it, the planets are there again.Link wouldn't even know to use the Mirror Shield before Bahamut ZEROs blast hit him, yeah it is featless but the explosion he creates from space is pretty big =).
Alot of the cinematic effects in FF games are ridiculous simply because they can be, lol. The only time of seen Bahamut do anythign legit was FF9, when he destroys a few air ships, and attacks Kuja. Going by that, and that Link's sheild, for whatever reason, reflects things you really shouldn't be able to, and I think that pretty much wins the Bahamut debate. Also, if I remember right, isn't bahamut a summon? IE, it brings another creature to help him? In which case Link would get to do the same, and I don't think you want that.
Master SwordBy that logic, anything near the Master Sword at all would be able to stop anything done by anything evil, so Sephiroth couldn't even TK a rock nearby Link because the Master Sword is near it. Example, if Link went near Zelda it should have negated all control Ganon had over her because that was evil?
The Master Sword does reflect her magic attack thing, but can you say that was the Swords power?
Maybe Ganon just didn't think to try and TK his belongings =P.
It wouldn't take more then a second for Sephiroth to rejoin with his cells if split apart by the shield. Would the light arrow still have the affects of a light arrow if it was only a head? The time it would take Link to pitch his shield would be enough for Sephiroth to be anywhere else, but even if splattered or sliced by the shield, he would still have a very high chance of his cells reuiniting.
Not sure why, but it only seems to apply to Link, and anyone/anything he touches with the sword. IE, it can break a curse on Link without him touching it, and it can reflect forces/magic/elements, and if he stabs someone with it, it negates their power. [See the end of TP, where the sword even overpowers the triforce of power.] Obviously, Link didn't stab Zelda's body while Ganondorf possessed it.
Yes, I can say that's the sword's power, that or just Link's inherently. Eitherway, when the sword was innitially introduced in 1994, it's big selling point was the power to repel, reflect, and destroy evil. In the fight aith Aganihm it reflects hi lightning attacks, it's done this sort of thing all through it's existance. It also cuts through magic barriers, it's a really nice sword, hahaha.
Maybe so, but given that we know the sword can affect Link from atleast a few feet away, it seems unlikely that it'd protect him from being TK'd, and not stop some silly technicality like TKing his boots =P
I have a feeling that having 90% of his body obliterated, or otherwise displaced, would require Seph to take more than a split second to reform, especially given that omnislash can one-shot him, and has nothing in the way of destructive feats.
And the light arrows in OoT are just normal arrows infused with light energy from Link. Basicly, he's gambit with arrows, nothing stops him from using that same power on the head of an arrow and throwing it.
I believe, by the rules that Sephiroths lose condition would be when he is unable to regen to full and disperses to the lifestream to start a reunion from scratch again. Which by the way requires his cells to basically be disintergrated.Man, if I was allowed to use FFVII gameplay I could just say Seph has Final Attack + Phoenix. xD
Also, if Sephiroth used the Negative Lifestream like Weiss used the Lifestream he would be able to tank the shield. Sephiroth in his weakest form, can beat Weiss in combat without materia at all.
I can't mimagine Seph ever tanking that sheild though, tbh. It'd be like sitting naked, spread eagle, exactly where you know a meteor was going to land, [assuming that meteor were going to be reduced to the size of a basket ball when it hit the ground.] He'd be all over the place, and most of his cells would be beyond repair, he'd practicly already be at the 'regen from scratch' stage.
As a side note, the Mastersword has the amusing ability to shut down/repel the power of those it strikes. [It's how Ganon gets weakened so that he can be sealed.] If Link stuck the sword in Sephiroth like he did to Ganon in TP, that'd be game and a half, sir.
Originally posted by ScreamPaste
[B]See Majora, or Ganon, or Aganihm, or Zant.Hahaha, I'm going to point out that not only are you dontradicting CANON FACT, you're contradicting yourself, here. Your logic is terrible, and no, Seph cannot generate the force to throw something as hard as Link.
Thanks, by the way, for proving me right, here.
Remember I gave you feats about 20 times? Oh you probably forgot them like you always do.
[csm]dur[csm] EXACTLEH why his legs not buckling shows the strength in his legs! =] THUS; we can conclude, that one way or another, his legs CAN support that much reactive force, which, by the way, would turn Seph into paste.Also, he threw it, not lifted it, and 'lifting strength', lol wut? So, if you're strong enough, you can lift up a sky scraper, and not get crushed, because it's just lifting strength? Or, if you're super durable, you can AUTOMATICLY generate as much force as you can withstand? No. False. Flawed. You're reaching, badly.
1. No, this contradicts CANON, and you have no EVIDENCE, of your THEORY.
2. Lol, that makes no logical sense whatsoever. I've told you about 100 times now, no matter how strong you are, you can't throw something if that amount of force will kill you, it clearly will not kill Link.
3. The ONLY time it even says the word "arms" and it never says "only arms", btw, is in the equipment screen, when you put your cursor over the gauntlets, which gives you a gameplay description of them. Whether you like it or not, Link has god-like strength thoughout his entire body, as his legs did not even strain.
His body,legs didn't strain because only the golden gauntlets did all the lifting, not Link.
This is where I point out that comparing FF7 to Zelda is flawed from the start. Zelda doesn't blatantly use pretty effects because they can, or force us into turn-based combat. I'd also like to point out that as an antagonist, Sephiroth needed to be able to survive hits that he wouldn't had they occured in a cutscene, because he can't avoid getting hit in a turnbased game.
You can dodge in a turn based combat, if you have more agility you're more likely to dodge attacks.
You know already, that Zelda games never, ever, use cutscenes for combat, Nintendo's modus operandi is that you have to PLAY the game, not watch it. That said, it's canon fact that Link takes hits from him, lol. Your assumption otherwise is beyond unreasonable, which I've come to expect from you. It's in the art, it's got it's own special reaction from Zelda [who screamgasps], it has it's own special animation when you get hit, it's in the managa, it's the final epic fight between the two main characters of the game, who possess godlike power.
This is just a cop-out on your behalf, so lol. You want to debate Link? Be grateful Zelda combat isn't an exagerated, turn based, mess, because debating Link means accepting the fights with the antagonists of each game, Link doesn't do combat cutscenes, it's a game, not a movie, and there's no logical reason the player should have to watch combat they can just do themselves.
Lol, he's calling me a fanboy. Atleast I haz teh evidence, teh physics, teh math, and teh canonz. Seph can't TK Link anyway, so that's moot.
See once again, I'll ask you for evidence of Link being immune to TK.
Watch you'll post clips of Link being released from a curse, or a dark wave, and somehow claim that's proof he's immune to TK LOL.
Actually, I thoguht I'd give you some handy advice on avoiding looking foolish.
Exactly, none of them attack at supersonic speed?Lol, actually, you're wrong.Remember I gave you feats about 20 times? Oh you probably forgot them like you always do.
And no, you didn't. 😐 Still waiting on those feats.
What part of "His body did not have that strength before the GG" do you not understand? You do know the legs is part of the human body right? His legs/body could NOT do the lifting before the GG which means the GG gave him the strength to lift it. Obviously it didn't give him power throughout his entire body, as it is stated that the power was coursing through his "arms" meaning only the place where he gained strength is his arms/GG meaning the GG does all the lifting, it takes in everything.I already disproved this, moving on.
No, it doesnt. It goes by the canon statement. You're denying facts. Fact is, you require your entire body to lift. Fact is, Links body wasn't capable of lifting the pillars before the Golden Gauntlet. Fact is, if Link gained strength throughout his entire body (which he did not) he would have received physical boost throughout his entire body. Fact is, only his arms received the power.Actually, the statement YOU'RE using, comes from the equipment subscreen, and it's the only one with the word "arms" in it.
Wrong again. Moving on.
That would only be true if Link is doing that under his own strength, which he is not. The Golden Gauntlet does all the lifting, its the golden gauntlets "power".You're an idiot if you actually believe this. Regardless of how he got the strength, when he threw that, it pushed back on him with equal force, he's clearly durable enough to withstand it, and that would have turned Sephiroth to paste. Also, you're wrong, and I'm moving on.
How is it canon fact Link takes hits from him? In AC Cloud only took a shoulder wound from Sephiroth. And who cares, it's not like Ganon has any feats, since you know, you seem to be unwilling to show any.No, I've already posted them, he has his own respect thread, some of his feats can be seen in Link's respect thread, even. There are videos which he's in all through this thread, you're ignoring facts and evidence because you hate to see a spite thread against your favorite character. The makers of the game made a set of special sounds, and animations SPECIFICLY for Link gettign hit by Ganon. These sounds and animations are used nowhere else in the game, they are there for special use in this fight. The game designers intended it.
FF isn't exaggerated. That's just your petty excuse (and a horrible excuse) to attempt to downplay characters.Yes it is! LOL. Supernova, anyone? And I don't need to downplay the characters.
Umm actually you don't have evidence. Throughout this thread i've been asking countless times, and all you do is requote essays of nonsense theories. Which you have trouble realizing that its not evidence.Maybe you should go back to the first page, where people started posting evidence, these were people who were supporting Link, and that trend persisted up until around page 30 something because the Sephiroth fans [except maybe killer]didn't even LOOK AT ANY OF IT. I'm not wasting my time with it, it's in the thread, go look for it. Anyone who reads this thread will see it.See once again, I'll ask you for evidence of Link being immune to TK.
Watch you'll post clips of Link being released from a curse, or a dark wave, and somehow claim that's proof he's immune to TK LOL.
Do I have to repost my math, which you so kindly ignored, and why this is such a spite thread?
Originally posted by ScreamPaste
I WAS saving this, but meh..ScreamPaste wrote on Mar 23rd, 2009 11:59 PM:
Alright, the first thing you should know, is I do alot of down-rounding in these numbers specificly so that if I screw up, I err on the pesimistic side, thus these are not exagerated fanboy numbers, at all.Alright, we'll begin with the granite rock. [Mathed as white granite, lighter than black.]
Let me be clear, this is me being VERY conservative and working with rounded numbers. [rounded DOWN to the nearest million in the case of mass in pounds.]
If the stone Link threw in the original feat moved approx 225 metres [nice down rounded estimate] horizontally [I'm not bothering to math the high arc, screw that. If I -did- I'd get an even larger number, so this is more down-rounding.]
and 2 million pounds is 907184.739 kilos, and it was in the air approx 3 seconds, [thus moving at an easily mathed 75 m/s]
K=1/2mv^2
M= 907184.73999
V= 75this means K [kinetic energy] = 2551457081.25 joule.
^Link is capable of generating an extremely high level of joulage with his muscles, and that is not his peak possible throw, but as his best feat, we round it down to be on the safe side.
Now that we know how much energy he can produce, roughly, we can apply that energy to a simple equasion for throwing somethign of the same density as the granite.
Now, just for purposes of being conservative, rather than put in the realisitc weight of something like his sheild, we'll put in.. 100 lbs? K. Watch.
K = 2551457081.25 joules
m = 100 pounds = 45.359237 kilogramsThus:
velocity (v) = 10606.6017178 meter/second
velocity (v) = 3818376618.52 centimeter/hour
velocity (v) = 1060660.17178 centimeter/second
velocity (v) = 3006595762.52 foot/day
velocity (v) = 34798.5620663 foot/second
velocity (v) = 1503297881.26 inch/hour
velocity (v) = 417582.744795 inch/second
velocity (v) = 10.6066017178 kilometer/second
velocity (v) = 20617.5843505 knot
velocity (v) = 31.1683858883 mach sea level 15 C
velocity (v) = 916410388.416 meter/day
velocity (v) = 23726.2923179 mile/hour
velocity (v) = 6.59063675498 mile/second
velocity (v) = 10606601.7178 millimeter/second
velocity (v) = 3.53798150513E-05 speed of light in vacuum
velocity (v) = 11599.5206888 yard/second
^Thread won.
@ Screampaste
Actually i'm right. None of them have supersonic speed.
Remember, Sephiroth clashing swords? Go look pages back? It's in the thread.
No, no you didn't. You think "they didn't have time to code it", what about your excuse for the statement that the poweer is only in his arms? Probably something along the lines of "Oh they made a mistake" ?
So where's the statement that says "entire body" ? Oh, it doesn't exist, alright.
No, because the GG does the entire lifting, the GG has the "power" to do it, not Link. Links body doesn't have the power to lift it, hence why he was unable to do it before. If the GG does all the lifting that means it takes all the pressure.
No you have not posted them. All you can do is try to lie your way out of it and re-direct me to other pages. After looking through the Link respect page and Ganon respect page, it simply doesn't exist. You completely refusing to show it proves this. Again, taking a hit from Ganon is hardly a feat.
Supernova is most likely an illusion? Top tier FF characters have shown to deal with lots of planetery threats many times. That is something Link doesn't even come close to.
I have looked through the first pages, and no, there is no evidence at all. All you can say is, "zomg i posted evidence before!!! its in teh respect threaddd!!" when it really doesn't exist anywhere at all.
Your math is meaningless because Link gets stabbed through the head before he can even do anything.
Actually i'm right. None of them have supersonic speed.Wrong!
Remember, Sephiroth clashing swords? Go look pages back? It's in the thread.Irrelevant. 1, you refuse to post the video. 2, even if it did happen, it wasn't a result of Seph's physical force.
No, no you didn't. You think "they didn't have time to code it", what about your excuse for the statement that the poweer is only in his arms? Probably something along the lines of "Oh they made a mistake" ?You still didn't read what I posted, so LOL. All of this is wrong, makes no sense and goes against canon. You can't argue with the canon to get out of how badly Sephiroth loses. Also, I never once said time contraints, and there is no statement that it's only in his arms, just that it is in his arms, which are two seperate statements. It also states that they make him stronger, and his legs can clearly support the force of throwing the stone, so you've lost this point. Did I mention this is the description on the equipment subscreen?So where's the statement that says "entire body" ? Oh, it doesn't exist, alright.
No, because the GG does the entire lifting, the GG has the "power" to do it, not Link. Links body doesn't have the power to lift it, hence why he was unable to do it before. If the GG does all the lifting that means it takes all the pressure.
No you have not posted them. All you can do is try to lie your way out of it and re-direct me to other pages. After looking through the Link respect page and Ganon respect page, it simply doesn't exist. You completely refusing to show it proves this. Again, taking a hit from Ganon is hardly a feat.Wrong, lol. Once again, it's canon, and furthermore, it's enough of a feat that Sephiroth could never do it. :]
Supernova is most likely an illusion? Top tier FF characters have shown to deal with lots of planetery threats many times. That is something Link doesn't even come close to.I have looked through the first pages, and no, there is no evidence at all. All you can say is, "zomg i posted evidence before!!! its in teh respect threaddd!!" when it really doesn't exist anywhere at all.
Your math is meaningless because Link gets stabbed through the head before he can even do anything.
2. You haven't actually read anyone's posts, then.
3. Stabbed through the head by someone who isn't strong enough to break his skin? Yeah right, lol. Seph comes close enough to try and stab Link, and gets oneshotted. Game.
Also, my math is thread winning, and there's nothing you can do to argue with it. :]
well terry you are missing the point with the Power Gauntlets, cause have we said that the gauntlets is increasing links entire body power?
does a stone of that size put enourmus amounts of need for durability?
does the gauntlets in some way give link more durability?
conclusion? well its links durability that stands the lift not the gauntlets, the gauntlets dont magically float in the air of their one and do the lifting for link, we can tell this since link grunts when throwing the stone, the gauntlets is with other words just a strength multiplier for link which means that the body needs durability, which means link has serious durability, and whatever you think about this link has other proofs of his durability that is in you know which post(some of them hasnt even been discussed), do I have to repost it?
Link has plenty of durability. With those guanlets, Link could have caught that piece of building that Seph cut off and tried to drop on Cloud. Not bieng squashed sounds like durablity to me.
These are some of the problems that Sephiroth needs to deal with before he can THINK about beating Link:
Link's ability to deflect or absorb ALL energies, Weakness to the Master Sword, Link's ability to know Seph's location at all times, Link becoming unnoticable, Infinite invincibility, Link being generally more intelligent than Seph (as in the ability to avoid all manner of traps and mindgames), Link's strength advantage, His speed advantage (thanks to time control), His ability to block Meteor, Link being able to revive multiple times, ect.
Theres more where that came from, kiddies. When you finally realize that there is no way for Seph to deal with all that, maybe you will decide to ally yourselves to the side of the strongest, Link.