Originally posted by ScreamPaste
It's wrong because it's wrong, I just called you on it. I already proved Majora attacks faster than the speed of sound. Ganon is superior to Majora in every way. 😐
First of all, a whip isn't the speed of sound, the very tip eventually reaches the speed of sound. The whip itself is NOT. Dodging the whip itself isn't dodging the speed of sound.
Second of all, you cannot prove that Link even dodged it all.
90% of what Sephiroth does when on screen has nothing to do with physical strength, sorry to say. Flight, TK, random light shows the sorround him and Cloud, concrete catching fire? Lol. By feats Spiderman is a bit stronger than Sephiroth, if you gave him masamune and dropped concrete on him like Seph had happen, Spidey could neatly bisect it, with ease. He's class 15.
The concrete went ablaze because of Sephiroth power.
You FINALLY read it. Space=/=time. So tell me when I said time constraints? Exactly. I win, sir. Also, this is a fact, Ocarina of Time took up the entire N64 cart.
No, you're going by your stupid anti-Link theories, because you hate to see Seph lose so badly.
Link gets harmed by far less, fact. Link isn't invulnerable, fact. Link doesn't take universal explosions, fact.
OMGWUT? [qute]a character who isn't impressive at all, a character who is basically just a regular ol joe with a bunch of items to amp him up.[uote]Link, a character with the power of a god[ess of courage], who can travel through time, survive the destruction of dimensions and moons as a CHILD, dodge whips moving at super-sonic speed, and carries a sword so powerful it can literally override the power of creation? Thank you, I'd like to point out I win.
Link can travel through time if hes able to play a flute song, which he cannot during battle or else he'd get decapitated.
Dimension destroyed =/= Link being destroyed. All we saw was the moon/dimension fading away with Majora. Nothing showed anything harmful.
Um whips don't move at supersonic speed genius. The tip EVENTUALLY reaches sound speed, but the whip itself does not.
Thank you again, for contradicting yourself. He was clearly strong enough to throw the column. His entire body was involved.
You must love me, if you give me this much ammo to debunk your own theories. So, what you're saying is, after he got the gauntlets, his entire body was stronger?
It didn't make his entire body stronger, it only made his arms stronger. His entire body is as normal as any other person. His body isn't capable of lifting the pillars, nor did the gauntlets give his body any boost. What does the lifting is the gauntlets, that's what enables him to lift it. Therefore the gauntlets does everything needed to lift, Links body doesn't do any thing to lift the pillar. Understand?
^Don't put words in my mouth, or spin my posts, kthnx. One way or another his entire body was strong enough to support the extreme forces he put it under. Which supports me, thank you. I win again, sir. Redundant much? So .. the GG make him stronger? OMG!
It didn't say that. Show me the word "only"? Can't? Exactly. =] Stop clinging to the equipment subscreen's gameplay description, and taking it out of context. His body obviously was strong enough to throw a 1300 ton stone, and durable enough to not only not get crushed, but his legs didn't even shake. Whether it's the gauntlets doing this, or his inherent strength doesn't matter. It's fact and canon.
No, his body wasn't. It was the GG. Before he had the GG could his body lift it? No. What gave him the power? The GG did, and where does the GG give him power? In his arms.
..Why would they boost his physique? He's a hero, not a swim-wear model...Freak.
This contradicts everything you said above. I love you, you sick little masochist. Next time atleast lube the plastic dong before you hand it to me, maybe it won't hurt as much next time I shove it up yer ass.
So you're going to claim Link can't take a hit from Ganon? That defies all Zelda canon. 😐
Lol, your fanboyness is showing. My feats are legit, and Link takes out Sephiroth in one shot, the rest of FF7 goes down in seconds.
LOL "my feats are legit" hahahahah. Your feats which you cannot show.
You're so cute when you're in denial... 😘
Actually, Seph's got no strength feat that shows him as being strong enough to harm Link, at all.
Lol, how? He can't even hurt Link, who by contrast, can one shot Sephiroth. This is spite, Link wins by a landslide.
This was spite from the beginning, go ask some more people to sign up please.
Originally posted by LLLLLink
Terry, whats the logic in nitpicking issues when you cant even deal with blatant things that ensure Sephiroth's defeat?
Sephiroth is so far out of his league.And for the record, if the Golden guantlets dont empower Link's entire body, explain to me, Terry, what is keeping Link's legs from caving in while lifting things of that magnitude?
Either you admit that the Gauntlets empower the whole body, or you admit that Link is naturally strong enough in the legs to support 1000+ tons. Dont make yourself look foolish by replying with an answer besides one of these.
Link is far out of his league you mean? Seriously, you and your little clique is getting annoying with these ridiculous fake feats.
Because Links legs aren't taking any pressure? It's the GG's power. Links body was never capable of carrying the pillars in the first place. If the GG empowered his entire body, then he would have a boost in his entire body, which he did not. The quote stating the power is in his arms and not his body confirms it.
The fight ends with Link getting stabbed through the head a split second as the fight starts.
Lol, Terry, I don't have time yet, to reply in full to Killer, who's actually worth replying to, but I can debunk you in seconds, because you were kind enoguh to contradict yourself. :]
[quote]Link is Link,
a character who isn't impressive at all, a character who is basically just a regular ol joe with a bunch of items to amp him up.Link, a character with the power of a god[ess of courage], who can travel through time, survive the destruction of dimensions and moons as a CHILD, dodge whips moving at super-sonic speed, and carries a sword so powerful it can literally override the power of creation?
Yeah it does make him stronger,
only his arms though(where the GG is). Lifting requires the entire body,
like i've said many times before. Link never had the body to lift heavy things before, and only got the power with the GG.
Once again you keep talking like lifting is "your body simply support the object"
no thats incorrect,
^Don't put words in my mouth, or spin my posts, kthnx. One way or another his entire body was strong enough to support the extreme forces he put it under.
in lifting the entire body does it legs muscles, everything.
If Link had the body to lift, he wouldn't have needed the GG.
If the GG granted his entire body, stregnth then it wouldnt have said it only granted him strength in his arms,
and it would have gave him a body physique boost,
..Why would they boost his physique? He's a hero, not a swim-wear model...Freak.
You raped your own argument in the ass with a knife, dude. Furthermore, trying to claim Link can't tank a hit from Ganon is lol, and claiming a DRASTIC change in the way Link moved would take up no space on a game cartridge written in an architecture you clearly have no understanding of makes you look likea tool.
Oh, and claiming my reading comprehension needs improvement is lolz.
His entire body works to throw it, AND, all of it is working fine, you see how that kind of supports my argument? 😛 And no, Terry, you're mistaking collequial language [in his arms] for a definite negative.
This literally took me all of.. a minute. See, Killer's going to get a good ten minutes or more of my time, cause he actually debates with logic.
To conclude, I accept your lack of logic or evidence as a concession on your behalf, and will continue this argument with Killer.
First, Link wouldn't be able to pull it[the bow] any faster, especially with the golden gauntlets, seeing as he would most probably rip apart the bow if he tried.
Second, I think you underestimate Sephiroths speed.http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4kGoRgxDNWI
I found this on Majora, Link seems to be having trouble keeping up with him and Majora is much much slower then Sephiroth and seems to be able to move faster then Link. (I did see that reflect of the beam which was pretty cool!)
My post from before:
One thing I HAVE to say now though, is that there's no real way to measure how fast Majora moves, but from 5:00 to 5:30.. watch the whip attacks, and keep in mind each one is breaking the sound barrier, and subject to the same physics that make the tip of a sword move so mcuh faster than the hilt[whiel also being RIDICULOUS in length, multiplying the effect many times over!], and keep in mind that Link canonicly can react to it. O_o; Also, when Majora's incarnation runs around, there is a very intentional illusion effect which hints that Majora was running atleast fast enough to make him hard to track even to Link's eyes that can react to Majora's wrath's insane whips.EDIT: AND!!! Keep in mind, this is Link as a child, without his piece of the triforce, who canonicly has not slept in ATLEAST three days.
Now you said
Materia is made from condensed mako (lifestream) that taps into the knowledge of the ancients (Sephiroth has this) and the power of the lifestream (Sephiroth has this (NL)) so technically Sephiroth could in fact use his own power and knowledge speeding up the process (like he does at the end of FFVII) making them instant cast.Fair enough, but Link's time control is literally indefinate, do Sephiroth's spells have a duration? If so this gives Link an advantage. Link would cast Nayru's love before using the ocarina to protect it. From there, he can wait Sephiroth's stop out, and he can attack from inside the spell.Even if we don't count that, casting any spell would be faster then Link playing a tune.
Basically Sephiroth is invulnerable to flame (and its heat), the only damage would be from the impact, which would slice him in half or in which case he could either A. Shapeshift both halves into himself B. Bring them back together C. Both.
Because it is an Illusion.Summonz r bad. In this case Link would be allowed to summon the giants that held up the moon.Link being durable enough to survive 1000 tonnes landing on him isn't ridiculous but a dragon shooting a beam from space is? Yeah, it is a magic summon (Just like Time or Bolt).
So basically what you are saying is: It's power only applies to link and in an aura around the sword unless he touches somebody\thing with it, it can -repel- Magical Projectile Attacks, Dark Waves, Dark Barriers and General Evil(So evil people can't hold it etc), also it is very durable and has the ability to throw beams. That would mean it wouldn't protect his items UNLESS the sword was touching them.I'm saying that I doubt very highly that a silly technicality like TKing Link's clothes off probably wouldn;t get by ancient artifact of supreme power 😛 Especially one that's hinted to be sentient.
No, his body wouldn't be 90% obliterated, maybe 15% at MOST. That is IF it hits him, he wouldn't be standing still while Link threw his shield. Even if it did, lets say destroy 50% of him he could shapeshift the biggest part, be in fighting shape and then the rest of the cells would make thier way to him.
Haha, the childrens bodies and the lifestream fighting against the jenova cells caused the geostigma. That wasn't sky, that was the negative lifestream about to re-shape the planet so Sephiroth could travel on it to another planet ("Like my mother did long ago."😉.Please stop saying the Negative Lifestream has no feats, it is the Lifestream under the control of Sephiroth, IT IS EXACTLY THE SAME only a different person under control therefore can be used exactly the same way as the Lifestream has been used e.g. Increase his attributes by a heap or harnessing its planetary destructive capabilities (or repairing).
Also, noone has ever seen Sephiroth at his peak. Ever. But yes that is his most powerful form (in every way) he just doesn't try, at all (PIS).
2. The NL does seem different, it performs entirely different under Sephiroth, maybe his control is different, or his control of it isn't 100%? There's clear difference, though. Enough for me to wonder what the NL is capable of, because it does things the LS didn't and doesn't do thingsit did.
3. A personality trait which doesn't help him any, he dies anytime an omnislash lands on him, and omnislash has nothing in the way of destructive feats. why he letsit happen, if that's the case , I dunno, all I know is omnislash kills Sephiroth, and it comes from Cloud, Link has power from sources beyond Cloud, including his own, to wield against Sephiroth, and Link does work, never drags his ass, he just keeps working as efficiently as possible to win.
If he infused himself with the NL he could, that would be eqaul to thousands of peoples durability (or more). He can't have cells beyond repair, either disintergrated\non-existant, trying to rejoin or rejoined.Edit:
Don't know about you guys but I am enjoying this debate =P.
Thousands of people l standing on each other's shoulders, hit from head to toe to head to toe, would not stop the sheild. =P
I'm enjoying this too, hahah, happy debating, sir. Merry Easter and such.
Originally posted by ScreamPaste
Lol, Terry, I don't have time yet, to reply in full to Killer, who's actually worth replying to, but I can debunk you in seconds, because you were kind enoguh to contradict yourself. :]OMGWUT? Link, a character with the power of a god[ess of courage], who can travel through time, survive the destruction of dimensions and moons as a CHILD, dodge whips moving at super-sonic speed, and carries a sword so powerful it can literally override the power of creation?
Thank you, I'd like to point out I win.
Thank you again, for contradicting yourself. He was clearly strong enough to throw the column. His entire body was involved.
You must love me, if you give me this much ammo to debunk your own theories. So, what you're saying is, after he got the gauntlets, his entire body was stronger?
^Don't put words in my mouth, or spin my posts, kthnx. One way or another his entire body was strong enough to support the extreme forces he put it under.
Which supports me, thank you. I win again, sir.
Redundant much? So .. the GG make him stronger? OMG!
It didn't say that. Show me the word "only"? Can't? Exactly. =] Stop clinging to the equipment subscreen's gameplay description, and taking it out of context. His body obviously was strong enough to throw a 1300 ton stone, and durable enough to not only not get crushed, but his legs didn't even shake. Whether it's the gauntlets doing this, or his inherent strength doesn't matter. It's fact and canon.
..Why would they boost his physique? He's a hero, not a swim-wear model...Freak.
You raped your own argument in the ass with a knife, dude. Furthermore, trying to claim Link can't tank a hit from Ganon is lol, and claiming a DRASTIC change in the way Link moved would take up no space on a game cartridge written in an architecture you clearly have no understanding of makes you look likea tool.
Oh, and claiming my reading comprehension needs improvement is lolz.
His entire body works to throw it, AND, all of it is working fine, you see how that kind of supports my argument? 😛 And no, Terry, you're mistaking collequial language [in his arms] for a definite negative.
This literally took me all of.. a minute. See, Killer's going to get a good ten minutes or more of my time, cause he actually debates with logic.
To conclude, I accept your lack of logic or evidence as a concession on your behalf, and will continue this argument with Killer.
I know this isnt my arugement, but dont even try to use the moon feat. It wasnt proven, even you yourself said that it is YOUR OPINION on what happened, and that you could not prove it. I might get into this later on though.
Originally posted by ScreamPaste
I'm using the dodged-Majora's-whips feat, actually, and the took-hits-from-Ganon one for durability.Edit: Also, taking what I said out of context is bad =P The moon feat DID happen, that's beyond doubt, what exactly occured is the part that's up to debate.
I didnt take what you said out of context, you have no idea how much force link took, so you simply cannot use it. Something did happen with the moon, yes, but dont play dumb, you knew what i meant when i said "moon feat", how you used to use the fact that link took a moon "explosion". You should never even mention it since it was not proven.
Yes, you did not prove that the moon exploded. Want me to say it again?
I dont care what terry was doing, trying to use something for a feat when we dont know if it was either the best feat ever or the worst feat possible, is pointless as your trying to make it seem like the former.
Exactly, we dont know how the moon broke, it could have easily just vanished (as we actually SAW it did), or assume it was an explosion, so trying to pick one and use it as fact is fail. You keep saying "we dont know how it broke" as if it takes force no matter what, but in some scenarios link probably took no force at all.
Actually, it'd be impossible for Link to end up where he did if he withstood no force at all, and if you read my posts, I NEVER claim it was an explosion, k? I'm not claiming anythign as fact other than what is obviously fact.
The Nintendo canon supports this with quotes qhich Voyeur already supplied. o_O
Fact; Moon is broken.
Fact; Link is in moon, and obviously displaced by the force that destroyed the moon.
^The above are all I said, and they're perfectly valid. I'm not overhyping it at all, infact I've worked to UNDERhype it, because ANY explanation for that is broken level endurance.
Originally posted by ScreamPaste
Your post is ironic, I've never seen you school anyone, or even post evidence in a debate.It's a shame someone with Joker in their sig is so unfunny.
You haven't either. You just prove your fanboyism, as you choose Link over Pyron. How pathetic.
Joker isn't supposed to be funny, he's crazy. Read the comics, and watch the movies you idiot.