Which doesn't change anything in the rules, Terry. and wtf, how could Seph be > Ganondorf? 😂 [go make the thread, srsly.]
My Amalgam Link is as valid. Zelda has no movie, and the rule specificly forbids the use of movies in the game forum, otherwise any game with a movie or anime would be at an advantage because of the less limited medium.
So yeah, use stuff from the games, no movie crapz.
I've seen absolutely none of the properties that Terry describes of Seph in AC. Including this supposed 'instant' regeneration.
Sorry, Sephiroth has no real feats of regeneration. Let alone 'instant'. As for not straining himself? I agree in a magical/miscellaneous abilities sense, but I'm not buying any no limits fallacy bull about an 'unknown strength limit' for Seph. He put his back into a lot of his blows during the scenes where he's chopping in half falling chunks from a skyscraper.
Link has demonstrated greater strength and durability feats. One omni-slash put Sephiroth down, on two separate occasions.
Link tanked an exploding moon while he was still in the center of it.
Originally posted by CosmicComet
I've seen absolutely none of the properties that Terry describes of Seph in AC. Including this supposed 'instant' regenerationSorry, Sephiroth has no real feats of regeneration. Let alone 'instant'. As for not straining himself? I agree in a magical/miscellaneous abilities sense, but I'm not buying any no limits fallacy bull about an 'unknown strength limit' for Seph. He put his back into a lot of his blows during the scenes where he's chopping in half falling chunks from a skyscraper.
"Due to its amazing regeneration capabilities, Jenova's divided cells reunite to become one again."\
Statement from the Reunion Files:
"One of the properties Jenova possesses is that separated pieces of flesh, called cells, will regenerate back to their original form"
Now lets look at this logically, throughout FF7 game (while Sephiroth is ALIVE), Sephiroth used pieces of Jenova, each piece would fully transform into Sephiroth, Sephiroth being the new Jenova. Does the mass of the arm, or the mass of the leg equal up to Sephiroth? No. So how does he transform? Easily, he uses part of Jenovas ability stated from above, REGENERATION. He regenerates his original arms, legs, ever appearance, even his sword, from a piece of Jenova leg or arm.
Now in AC, Sephiroth is dead, he cannot do anything with the Jenova cells, which is his power. What he can do is guide his spirit body (stated by the UOG that the trio were Spirit bodies) to take in Jenova's cells, in that box. That would revive Sephiroth. So once Kadaj took in the cells, what happens? The same thing he has been doing in FF7, he fully regenerates his arm, legs, his entire being, even his sword. It wouldn't have made a difference if Kadaj was a midget, a 50 lb kid, or a dog the size of an arm, or anything, as long as the Jenova cells were there, he would regenerate his full form.
Link has demonstrated greater strength and durability feats. One omni-slash put Sephiroth down, on two separate occasions.Link tanked an exploding moon while he was still in the center of it. [/B]
Terry, get these baseless assumptions out of your debating arsenal, because that's all they are. Baseless Assumptions.
Onmislash isn't physical? Lmao It sure as hell isn't a mental illusion, he sure as hell isn't Xavier'ing (term coined!) Sephiroth when he does an Omnislash, it isn't some abstract maneuver that simply wishes Sephiroth away. If we go by AC it is at best a case of combining TK in making the swords hover in the air with Cloud having to physically cause damage with each of the swords following that. Obviously Cloud has to be in a certain mental state to use the move but that is no different than Bruce Banner needing to be in a severely extreme mood to transform into the Hulk. To try to connect that to meaning that the omnislash isn't a physical move because of a mental precondition that's in play is nothing but, again, a baseless assumption. And in kinder terms it is a huge stretch at best.
If the argument is that Sephiroth was still whole therefore it wasn't a physical attack, well, as Paste said; consider the movie's rating. This phenomenon has shown itself countless times in anime and cartoons in general where small situations show blood (such as a busted nose or lip) but a more severe/fatal situation such as a huge torso slash will often show no blood at all.
Originally posted by Burning thought
Omnislash is featless, infact does it have any out of game action at all? is there any canon description of what it does?
Well, it did kill Sephiroth. That's gotta count as a feat of sorts.
I don't know about that, there's only a gameplay description of it at FF wiki.
Omnislash is actually a peanut summons. Seph is allergic to peanuts.
^A good summary because all we know about it for sure is it kills the hell out of Sephiroth. We don't know why, how, or what. It just does. It seems like he's a deer in the headlights in the face of this move, despite reasonable start up time Seph never gets out of the way.
Originally posted by XanatosForeverI'm just gonna ignore you now cuz you just feel this urgent need to argue wit me about somthin' you coulda dropped along time ago.
The point of a debate is continue the argument for your side. This, along with a large number of the posts you have in this thread, don't do that. So again, please post something relevant to the topic.I'm still waiting for someone to tell me about the Wall spell. Then again, maybe I should just look at the link provided. Yeah, I think I'll do that.
Edit: Okay, I looked at it. It still doesn't help establish the limit of durability it awards. Someone mind helping me figure this out?
he still needed that clone to regenerate so no he doesn't have "instant" regeneration he needs to reunite with them just to appear. there was nothing stated that his regeneration was instant as it took him 5 years in the first game to appear and 2 years with the clones help to appear and by being parasitic in nature sephiroth needs to prey on another being(the clone) for support.
Originally posted by I am who I am
I'm just gonna ignore you now cuz you just feel this urgent need to argue wit me about somthin' you coulda dropped along time ago.
Awright, I got ignored by someone for the first time! How many achievement points is that worth? 🙄 Maybe now he'll actual start contributing to the debate. Speaking of which...
Umm, well I'm afraid I actually don't have much to contribute at this point, though no one did relay the durability information for the Wall spell that was mentioned earlier...😬
Originally posted by CosmicComet
Terry, get these baseless assumptions out of your debating arsenal, because that's all they are. Baseless Assumptions.Onmislash isn't physical? Lmao It sure as hell isn't a mental illusion, he sure as hell isn't Xavier'ing (term coined!) Sephiroth when he does an Omnislash, it isn't some abstract maneuver that simply wishes Sephiroth away. If we go by AC it is at best a case of combining TK in making the swords hover in the air with Cloud having to physically cause damage with each of the swords following that. Obviously Cloud has to be in a certain mental state to use the move but that is no different than Bruce Banner needing to be in a severely extreme mood to transform into the Hulk. To try to connect that to meaning that the omnislash isn't a physical move because of a mental precondition that's in play is nothing but, again, a baseless assumption. And in kinder terms it is a huge stretch at best.
If the argument is that Sephiroth was still whole therefore it wasn't a physical attack, well, as Paste said; consider the movie's rating. This phenomenon has shown itself countless times in anime and cartoons in general where small situations show blood (such as a busted nose or lip) but a more severe/fatal situation such as a huge torso slash will often show no blood at all.
Wow, have you not even seen it? Honestly thats just a sad attempt to downplay Omnislash. You're talking nonsense, I didn't say its non-physical because there is no blood, i'm saying its not physical because CLEARLY you can see CLOUD's phasing through Sephiroth multiple times.
Watch, and OBSERVE at 6:40
YouTube video
Each Cloud CLEARLY phases THROUGH him.
Originally posted by Phanteros
he still needed that clone to regenerate so no he doesn't have "instant" regeneration he needs to reunite with them just to appear. there was nothing stated that his regeneration was instant as it took him 5 years in the first game to appear and 2 years with the clones help to appear and by being parasitic in nature sephiroth needs to prey on another being(the clone) for support.
The Jenova bodies? A freaking small piece of Jenova bodypart regenerated into a full Jenova monster, instantly.
Like i explained in my previous post, each piece of Jenova can regenerate its form to whatever he wants, whether it takes the form of a Jenova monster, or the image of Sephiroth, it can be as small a finger, arm, leg, etc, itll regenerate its full form
at 8:35, he drops a piece of Jenova, and it instantly regenerates into a full form Jenova monster
YouTube video
in AC, Sephiroth becomes the viral core of the entity Jenova, he is the evolution of Jenova.
Omnislash btw is clearly physical.
Omni would translate to multiple
Slash; noun
to cut with a violent sweeping stroke or by striking violently and at random, as with a knife or sword.
With the very move at hand broken down, it is as clear as day that it is a physical attack. I'm also guessing that Omnislashes damage relies on the strength of the character, not materia. It in no, way, shape or form translates into being a move that transcends into a soul based damaging move.
It just is a bunch of really fancy, fast, slashes with the cliche, cinematic anime bull shit of slicing through something that doesn't fall apart immediately. Because in other scenes from what you posted, Cloud's sword cuts through tangible matter.
I'm sorry but nothing that your saying is true about Omnislash. It's all perception and theory nonsense. Until then and fully on after, Omnislash is a physical attack.