Sephiroth vs Link

Started by Terryc250104 pages

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Umm you do realize you just posted a video of Omnislash in FF7 right?

Omnislash in FF7, and OmnislashV5 in AC are different, you know that right?

Regular Omnislash in FF7 IS physical, but V5 is not, it only kept the name, but its not physical at all, as you can clearly see.

Cloud didn't cut through any tangeable matter in AC, Sephiroth freakin clothes didn't even get a scratch on it.

AC is like totally once again not even up for discussion based on the Versus Rules. Regardless of proof and how much it may connect or make sense to the other game titles. It simply isn't a game. It's an animated film.

And, I'm sorry once again, its cinematic effect that all Animes seem to have where the people run at each other, slice, one stands there for a while and gives some short monologue and smiles then falls down. You know the bit. That's all it is man, I'm sorry. Do not try to make it something greater then it already is.

If you're going to take translation of what you believe a move to be, then why is it that the view of Farore's wind clearly being able to become a free roaming, quick cast teleporation can not? Fan boyisms can not play a role to a great effect in this debates I feel. I'm not Link fan boy, I just happen to like the games growing up and am stating the facts and getting things straightened out as far as "true" and "false" goes. And....

Omnislash being more then physical? False.

Lets set that aside though because I can see I'll be going in circles with your fellatio of FF fan translation moves all day, and don't want to waste time debunking you over and over on Omnislash being physical.

So this will power of Sephiroth's allows him to have the ability to stop things. And apparently you stated he can levitate people and so on. Ok so he has the basic low level form of psychokinesis, the ability to make things be grasped and moved with a physical manfestation through mental power ("will power"😉

Link would be able to Farore's wind out of that, respectively under your own analism that it must be a set point first. And sure, Seph would have to camp that spot. Doesn't mean Link wouldn't be ready for such obvious mind games. Now, Sephiroth you have stated is the villain and thus that makes him pretty evil. I mean his intentions through out the plot is clear, he's a wicked guy. So the mastered sword is the bane of evil and gains a greater effect of properties over such beings, ergo, it would get a boost against Sephiroth.

Sephiroth also wouldn't be able to touch or take control of the MasterSword, even through his Will power since it's just an extention of physical manipulation as I stated earlier. The power of the blade itself has an aura and property of greatness on its own.

Light arrows could stun him if not even then, at least blind him to make for great lead ins to other attacks. Nayru's love, providing a great bubble Shield to attacks and so on. Hell, even Link can cast the very quick and AOE wid ranged Ether spell which would completely imbolize and leave Sephiroth frozen, enough time for Link to do some very critical damage. But I'm sure his will power could some how break him out of that, right?

What about chemically being frozen then by the bonds of Ice arrows, shot off rapidly. And not only could they be offensive but defensive to build up and make glacier like wall barriers to defend from certain attacks.

Link isn't a push over, and Sephiroth isn't either I'm sure. And i stated earlier Link has reaction time to deal with things that instant teleport, and break the sound barrier.

That is some serious reaching. Up to the heavens. Seriously.

You are using quick camera cuts that are never in direct focus to reach the conclusion that Cloud is becoming intangible? All I see is him passing by Sephiroth at quick speed while glowing yellow.

That is a physical attack aided by tk. Nothing more than that.

As for the regeneration, you've demonstrated that Jenova can create much lesser offshoots of herself when it imbues a severed limb with the power to do so. Not that it can regenerate 'instantly'. Instant in this context, is a word that gives strong connotations about a level of practical immortality against any means of harm.

Obviously that is not the case as Jenova's final form in the crater was destroyed. Where are the tales of a remnant of a tentacle from Jenova Synthesis' corpse that reassembles into a whole? There are none. We are treated to the story of a severed head in AC (but never actually catch a glimpse of it), and certainly Jenova did not remount her full form from just a severed head...where is this instant regeneration? Again?

All we know is that Jenova can send out lesser drones that she imbues with power to have some coherent whole form. This regeneration business is very sketchy at best.

Originally posted by CosmicComet
Lol what's with all these Link vs threads lately? Some of them attempted spites like the Ultimecia one. lol.

Slower? Sure. But Link is fast enough in reflexes in order to not be blitzed. And being that he is a defensive fighter it reduces much of the need to be toe to toe as fast as Seph.

Weaker? LMAO. Sephiroth's strongest recorded feat is when he impaled Midgar Zolom on a tree.

The largest snake known is the prehistoric Titanoboa. 40-50 feet long and 2,500 lbs.

Here's a scale for reference.

Now, Midgar Zolom is noted in the game to be '30 feet tall'. Snakes can raise up half their body length so let's assume Midgar Zolom is 60 feet long.

Let's say we scale up a 48 foot 2500 lb Titanoboa to 60 feet, same as Midgar Zolom. That's a 25% increase in body size. Which would mean it's weight would be doubled to 5000 lbs. Midgar Zolom appears to be quite a bit bulkier proportionately than a Titanoboa of even equal length, so let's say a 60 foot Midgar Zolom is double the weight at 10,000 lbs.

That's very rough work but that would put Midgar Zolom at 5 tons. I'd accept 8 tons, at best.

5-8 tons is very very light compared to what Oot/MM or TP Link have dealt with. Link is physically stronger than Seph by feats.


Yea, Link seems to be "in" season and everyone starts to think he'll be successful in a thread.

From all teh info you provided in the link vs dante thread.... link takes this as seph does not nearly have enough feats to compete.

Originally posted by Nemesis X
Seph owns this with ease.

Listen up LoZ fans, Link is gonna be another overrated pretty boy like Dante and soon will be hated by people.

I just feel like responding to this.. Link isn't anywhere close to overrated yet, Link didn't even have his own respect thread until just awhile ago. The character finally has more than one guy supporting him and posting evidence. Now that he's finally getting a fair chance in debates and winning, alot of peopel percieve it as an upset, when in reality, it's just Link was severely underrated before.

Very similar to me. What you brought up before is refined and polished premium Black Granite, not the authentic raw Black Granite Quartz that is the rock, that would be used in actual construction or similar decorative monuments like the pillar.

Originally posted by Voyeur
AC is like totally once again not even up for discussion based on the Versus Rules. Regardless of proof and how much it may connect or make sense to the other game titles. It simply isn't a game. It's an animated film.

Going by the GAME Dirge Of Cerberus, which takes place 2 years after Cloud defeated Sephiroth with OmnislashV5, its still canon either way. The events are still stated in DoC.


And, I'm sorry once again, its cinematic effect that all Animes seem to have where the people run at each other, slice, one stands there for a while and gives some short monologue and smiles then falls down. You know the bit. That's all it is man, I'm sorry. Do not try to make it something greater then it already is.

Nonsense, you can downplay and try to disclaim everything as "cinematic effect".

If you're going to take translation of what you believe a move to be, then why is it that the view of Farore's wind clearly being able to become a free roaming, quick cast teleporation can not? Fan boyisms can not play a role to a great effect in this debates I feel. I'm not Link fan boy, I just happen to like the games growing up and am stating the facts and getting things straightened out as far as "true" and "false" goes. And....

Because it was never stated as teleportation to wherver, whenver he wanted. Link was only able to use it by making warp points, then warping back to that location, he was NEVER able to teleport wherever he wanted and use it as an offensive attack.

Omnislash being more then physical? False.

Omnislash is physical, OmnislashV5 is not physical.

So this will power of Sephiroth's allows him to have the ability to stop things. And apparently you stated he can levitate people and so on. Ok so he has the basic low level form of psychokinesis, the ability to make things be grasped and moved with a physical manfestation through mental power ("will power"😉

Low level? If stopping a power capable of wrecking a planet is "low level" then sure.


Link would be able to Farore's wind out of that, respectively under your own analism that it must be a set point first. And sure, Seph would have to camp that spot. Doesn't mean Link wouldn't be ready for such obvious mind games. Now, Sephiroth you have stated is the villain and thus that makes him pretty evil. I mean his intentions through out the plot is clear, he's a wicked guy. So the mastered sword is the bane of evil and gains a greater effect of properties over such beings, ergo, it would get a boost against Sephiroth.

SO then this debate is vs OoT Link? And Farore's wind sure as hell is NOT instant teleportation, hell he does some kind of stance pose, then raises his arm for like 5 seconds before he is actually able to teleport back to his warp point. All Sephiroth needs is a split second to cut off Links limbs.


Sephiroth also wouldn't be able to touch or take control of the MasterSword, even through his Will power since it's just an extention of physical manipulation as I stated earlier. The power of the blade itself has an aura and property of greatness on its own.

He wouldn't need to, he'd just make a gesture and Link would be crushed by the NL.


Light arrows could stun him if not even then, at least blind him to make for great lead ins to other attacks. Nayru's love, providing a great bubble Shield to attacks and so on. Hell, even Link can cast the very quick and AOE wid ranged Ether spell which would completely imbolize and leave Sephiroth frozen, enough time for Link to do some very critical damage. But I'm sure his will power could some how break him out of that, right?

Light arrows don't even have a chance at hitting Sephiroth, hell even Zack can dodge mutliple machine guns all firing at him, Sephiroth is far more skilled and faster then Zack.

All of Link's spells have a long casting time, and Sephiroth won't be standing there doing nothing, he'll be thrown around by Sephiroth TK, or attacked by the NL before he can even do his casting poses.


What about chemically being frozen then by the bonds of Ice arrows, shot off rapidly. And not only could they be offensive but defensive to build up and make glacier like wall barriers to defend from certain attacks.

Those have no chance at all of hitting Sephiroth.

Link isn't a push over, and Sephiroth isn't either I'm sure. And i stated earlier Link has reaction time to deal with things that instant teleport, and break the sound barrier. [/B]

Where was it stated that the whip was "break the sound barrier"? and who has Link fought that has INSTANT teleportation?

Originally posted by Voyeur

Very similar to me. What you brought up before is refined and polished premium Black Granite, not the authentic raw Black Granite Quartz that is the rock, that would be used in actual construction or similar decorative monuments like the pillar.

The first picture is ZOOMED up, the 2nd picture is viewed from a distance, if they were viewed at the same distance, they would look TOTALLY different.

and if you want to see Black granite NOT polished, it would look like this

Also, if you guys are going to sock, you should make it a bit less obvious, creating accounts in a span of a couple days, coincidently posting minutes after eachother, repeating the same argument as eachother in different threads, etc

Originally posted by Terryc250
The first picture is ZOOMED up, the 2nd picture is viewed from a distance, if they were viewed at the same distance, they would look TOTALLY different.

and if you want to see Black granite NOT polished, it would look like this

Also, if you guys are going to sock, you should make it a bit less obvious, creating accounts in a span of a couple days, coincidently posting minutes after eachother, repeating the same argument as eachother in different threads, etc

Originally posted by Terryc250
Also, if you guys are going to sock, you should make it a bit less obvious, creating accounts in a span of a couple days, coincidently posting minutes after eachother, repeating the same argument as eachother in different threads, etc
Originally posted by Terryc250
Also, if you guys are going to sock
Originally posted by Terryc250
sock

Terry, I will only ask this of you once. Do not accuse us of sock. Peach has already run all of us through the sock checker and debunked the theory for at least three other users. If you insult us with this accusation again, I will report you.

Funny, Google Image works both ways and I'd love to know the reason as to why you tried so hard to pick the least looking set of rocks of the provided images on there? It's a really feeble attempt since I already debunked it really easily. Regardless. The strength feat is even measured or mattered entirely by what type of rock it is, since black granite is heavier and the math was is shown with White granite. If you took the time to study the math posted by ScreamPaste you would of noticed that. We gave the benefit of the doubt and made it even weigh less then it's original tons. The height, and volume, and density of the object is where the strength comes into play. Very simple math. It is Black Granite, but that's far from the point.
True, in the game it would be polished but not to the extent of slabs you posted earlier that were the mere crystalization form. I'll be double posting soon to debunk your other quotes. Then when you're ready to stop pulling things out of your ass and sticking to the facts, maybe this can become fun.

Now that Voyeur, myself, and TGE have ALL proven it's black granite AND that the math not only was done for a lighter form of rock, it didn't even factor in the part of the pillar that is still offscreen in the photo I used, so it was INCREDIBLY conservative and you STILL want to argue it, lol... Anyway, not that it's done with and we win, I'm going to restate that Seph can't TK Link, and that AC = not being used unless you're going to se spite by giving us a composite Link.

Why do you keep saying im using AC when im not? Tell me where have I used AC?

Why can't Sephiroth TK Link?

And NO you didn't prove it was black granite at all, you only proved that they look kind of similar if black granite is ZOOMED up, while the pillar is viewed from a stiance, view black grranite and view the pillar from the exact same distance, and they look nothing like eachother.

Also, it's not hard to use a proxy, it's ridiculously obvious.

Originally posted by Terryc250
Also, it's not hard to use a proxy, it's ridiculously obvious.

Consider yourself reported, Terry. I asked you kindly to refrain from any type of accusation.

Originally posted by Terryc250
Why do you keep saying im using AC when im not? Tell me where have I used AC?

Why can't Sephiroth TK Link?

And NO you didn't prove it was black granite at all, you only proved that they look kind of similar if black granite is ZOOMED up, while the pillar is viewed from a stiance, view black grranite and view the pillar from the exact same distance, and they look nothing like eachother.

Also, it's not hard to use a proxy, it's ridiculously obvious.

Same reason Ganon can't.

Also, reported.

Originally posted by Terryc250
Nonsense, you can downplay and try to disclaim everything as "cinematic effect".

Omnislash is physical, OmnislashV5 is not physical.


Sadly, I can because you want to take things above and beyond what there is no proof for. Dude, I'm sorry, it's ok, but Omnislash or Omnislash V5 are both physical attacks and nothing greater. Regardless of how they make it seem more then that for the cool, phase through slice effect. And here is yet another Omnislash, and then an example of V5. Cloud SLASHES through his opponent with his sword. A sword that is on the physical plane of existence and matter since you see it cut through other objects. So when he slices some one else, I'm guessing it's the same thing regardless of the skill being used. Once again, it's for dramatic effect. How dull would it if people just saw their favorite FF character ripped and sliced to shreds with blood and gore. Even in the clip you provided earlier, Aeris doesn't even bleed when Sephiroth stabs her.
YouTube video
Kek, any way I said drop it earlier and don't let this become the focus of the debate since it is meaningless.
Omnislash, Ultimate War God Slash Version 5 (Omnislash V5), Omnislash v5.0. (AC one) or any other Omnislash bull shit are all physical attacks and nothing more because there is no 100% proof to back up they would be other wise, since a sword slashing at things multiple times would be in the tangible area.

Originally posted by Terryc250
Because it was never stated as teleportation to wherver, whenver he wanted. Link was only able to use it by making warp points, then warping back to that location, he was NEVER able to teleport wherever he wanted and use it as an offensive attack.

Originally posted by Terryc250
SO then this debate is vs OoT Link? And Farore's wind sure as hell is NOT instant teleportation, hell he does some kind of stance pose, then raises his arm for like 5 seconds before he is actually able to teleport back to his warp point. All Sephiroth needs is a split second to cut off Links limbs.

Well he can use it when ever. You can use it at any time during combat or other wise. But you're limiting it by game mechanics, it's obvious that Farore's wind is an ability much like the Tornado you can summon to carry you across the land to Dungeon entrances. If Link was literally able to summon a tornado or teleport, It's really obvious that it wouldn't be limited by game mechanics to only be dungeon related, and thus be able to go any where, at any time. But I'll set that aside for now because it's not needed at the moment.

And this is a debate against Link. Link, the very transitional name to a hero of time in the Legend of Zelda titles. He has all his known abilities at his disposal and all his items at the ready, since nothing has been restricted other wise, all strictly to canon. You like the word Amalgam Link, yeah a combined Link. Rules state fights must be fair right? and if you think Sephiroth is so powerful and godly then we have to be able to balance this out. You're scared that Link really is more powerful then you're god, Sephiroth? Link is Link. Everything he's done, everything he's capable of is up for grabs at this moment. All going to be restricted and according to canon.

Originally posted by Terryc250
Low level? If stopping a power capable of wrecking a planet is "low level" then sure.

Originally posted by Terryc250
He wouldn't need to, he'd just make a gesture and Link would be crushed by the NL.

Mhm, Low level Telekinesis. The ability to only make physical contact by using one's mental prowess. Regardless of what you can do with it. So since that will power of making an extension of his physical contact would mean that he can't really use it effectively against Link, since he wards off such techniques with the Master Sword. That goes for the same of the Negative Lifestream. It is infected and evil, so it wouldn't be able to lay a touch upon Link while the blade protects him from such. We've pointed to you out before and it's ultimately translated in every version of the Legend of Zelda games that the Master Sword is what keeps Link and Ganondorf on the same level of playing fields. We all know Ganondorf could probably rape Link, but its indeed with that weapon that puts him at the same magnitude. Where the two can go head to head, what makes Sephiroth or any other evil any less effected by it's abilities? NOTHING, it would translate to all (i.e. Agahnim)

Originally posted by Terryc250
All of Link's spells have a long casting time, and Sephiroth won't be standing there doing nothing, he'll be thrown around by Sephiroth TK, or attacked by the NL before he can even do his casting poses.

If you really knew about the abilities Link has from his games, Ether is an extremely quick cast with no such long animation more or less then Link spinning rapidly and raising the Master Sword. It is inescapable since, "the upper atmosphere and polar wind" is all fair play when using Ether to freeze or even kill enemies instantly. That is, you manipulate those forces to any where. I suggest you learn more about the Legend of Zelda, other then Ocarina of Time, before jumping in to any other discussions concerning Link.

Originally posted by Terryc250
Where was it stated that the whip was "break the sound barrier"? and who has Link fought that has INSTANT teleportation?

"Some common whips such as the bullwhip or sparewhip are able to move faster than sound: the tip of the whip breaks the sound barrier and causes a sharp crack—literally a sonic boom." -Wikicited
The build up force and length behind a whip, gaining momentum means that it eventually reaches to go so fast as to break the sound barrier. "the speed of sound is 330 meters per second (1,083 ft/s). This equates to 1,235 kilometers per hour (767 mph) or about one mile in five seconds." And Majora's whip like tentacles are extremely long in length, easily able to break the sound barrier as they lash out, and Link able to dodge and evade them.
tl;dr: Link can evade and gain agility to go faster then the speed it takes to break the sound barrier.

And once again you clearly have not played many Legend of Zelda games, because it is the dark lord of evil himself, Ganondorf that is capable of instant and simultaneous teleportation since him being the first final boss in the Legend of Zelda. Also he's completely invisible while he's doing that and Link still has to react while being shot at from energy blasts and slice him, then fire the silver arrow.

Please before we continue study the Legend of Zelda games and the videos and information we have already provided of what Link is capable of, from feats of strength, speed, agility, reaction time, abilities of spells and weapons/items.

And when Sephiroth was finally beaten at the end of FFVII, and got absorbed into the lifestream, he refused to allow himself to be absorbed into the Lifestream to simply become a memory. As such, his consciousness -- as it dispersed through the Lifestream's Spirit Energy -- contaminated the surrounding Spirit Energy with his will, and he then made himself manifest once more, though he was now divided into three seperate entities, all with seperate aspects of his consciousness, and, thereby, their own unique personalities. They weren't really clones, but I also don't see him able to have quick regeneration based on that either. He isn't Wolverine.

Originally posted by Terryc250
Why do you keep saying im using AC when im not? Tell me where have I used AC?

okay :3

Originally posted by Terryc250
Did you pay attention to the dialogue in the game?

It was stated that in AC Sephiroth reached a new height in power, meaning FF7 Sephiroth was his 2nd most powerful form, AC is his most powerful.

In AC he gained power over the entity Jenova itself, all the abilities Jenova has/had now belongs to Sephiroth, some that were shown throughout FF7 were
-Becoming intangeable
-Telekinesis
-Instant teleportation
-Telepathy
-Mind reading
-Regeneration
-Creating plagues
-Shapeshifting
-Powerful strength at unknown limits
-Extreme speed
-Disrupting lifeforce
-Bringing himself back to life with willpower

The fact that he infected the lifestream causing it to become the Negative Lifestream (the lifestream was capable of disintegrating Meteor) in the FF7 game it was stated the lifestream was a source of power, life, energy, magic. With the negative lifestream Sephiroth was capable of creating the 3 remnants (power of life) the 3 remnants were capable of using the negative lifestream as magic (using the shadow creeps)

Sephiroth has complete control over the negative lifestream, and was able to cover the entire skies of midgar with just a gesture. If he wanted, he could've just summoned the NL right on Cloud and killed him there. In one part of the AC movie he TK'd the top of the building right ontop of Cloud.

and

Originally posted by Terryc250
Unlike alot of video game manga, OVA's, Advent Children is canon to the FF7 storyline and is part of the FF7 compilation
(it goes Crisis Core --> FF7 game --> Advent Children --> Dirge of Cerebus)

So they are actual Sephiroth feats. Since we are talking about Sephiroth the character, and not limiting Sephiroth to a specific timeline, I don't see why we cannot use them.


Originally posted by Terryc250
Well then if we go by the game Dirge Of Cerberus(which happens after AC), it still states the events of Advent Children, so Sephiroths feats still stand.

And all the many other times you refer to Sephiroth and Advent Children that I don't feel like siphoning through the bull shit in the earlier posts and quoting you out each time, but there are more with a quick skim. Once again, I'll state it, even if it is part of the things, even if if is clearly related, it is an animated film. Not a video game. Game versus. Meaning the character must originate from a video game, which Sephiroth does, and the character must stick to what they're capable of in their video game, which you're trying hard to break. Keep it strictly to the game content and no more Advent Children stuff, such as the control of NL or etc etc because it's been debunked by me again. And I'll debunk you again. It's okay to admit when you're wrong, its a humble character trait to have and you should learn it <3

Also you once again are complaining about the type of rock the slab was, which I'll point...AGAIN, doesn't matter. It's the density, volume and height of such condensed matter with in that column, even if it was any kind of granite or rock, that matters. It's heavy, Link tossed it effortlessly.

And before you go quoting, bitching and complaing about how Screampaste or Xanatos on their stupidity in reporting you, I ask that you thoroughly read what I type now and my post above because I want you to know and be sure that I'm ****ing separate from them and I got my own intelligent ways of being able to knock down anything you throw at me. Now, the facts our out on the table and so far Sephiroth has the teleporation on his side but Link has extremely great reflexes and is a defensive fighter, along with his spells and abilities that both counter Sephiroths but I don't see Seph being able to avoid what I stated.

So take your time, read through everything. Bone up and get smart before jumping in with flaming and rants because you know this thread is just going to get closed any way.

edit: excuse the double post please.

The black granite business is BS. We don't know if it even exists in the world of OoT, to try to use a material from our world to describe theirs is just silly. Link lifting the pillar is an entirely unquantifiable feat, until there is an in game reference to its weight or a statement from Nintendo there's nothing to prove that rock weighs any weight its claimed to weigh. As it stands now it is completely immeasurable.

Originally posted by fascistcrusader
The black granite business is BS. We don't know if it even exists in the world of OoT, to try to use a material from our world to describe theirs is just silly. Link lifting the pillar is an entirely unquantifiable feat, until there is an in game reference to its weight or a statement from Nintendo there's nothing to prove that rock weighs any weight its claimed to weigh. As it stands now it is completely immeasurable.

It's obviously heavy to the point by canon that Link would even need the Golden Gauntlets to lift it. Even if we say it's regular Rock, or any sort of reasonable construction like stone, condensed into that height and volume, makes it the stated weight as before and Link can hurl it. Besides I like how others can bring in scientific, human world related objects and statements, facts into their feats and conversations by common sense translation, BUT OH NO! if we do it for Link, god forbid, the world is going to implode on itself with the best self facial known to man! Cut the crap. You guys are just using anything you can try to grab onto in hopes of making what we say is false, and failing at it. Continuously making spite Vs. threads against Link because we use intelligence to win in other threads. And for the record, again...

Originally posted by Voyeur

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and CosmicComet is some random guy I guess on here who isn't a Smasher.

So there you have it, stop using such a petty thing like calling ScreamPaste a sock by using proxies or anything else to try and gain some edge in arguments that we're winning. If our facts and posts are to hard for you to debunk and counter, then that means Link must win, right? Is it that hard to see there are separate people debating in his favor now and you can't take the bum rush of intelligent, scientific posts? Well to bad. Deal! And not just Link but anyone I or the others may be debating for. We have posted in other threads -.-

Originally posted by Voyeur
Sadly, I can because you want to take things above and beyond what there is no proof for. Dude, I'm sorry, it's ok, but Omnislash or Omnislash V5 are both physical attacks and nothing greater. Regardless of how they make it seem more then that for the cool, phase through slice effect. And here is yet another Omnislash, and then an example of V5. Cloud SLASHES through his opponent with his sword. A sword that is on the physical plane of existence and matter since you see it cut through other objects. So when he slices some one else, I'm guessing it's the same thing regardless of the skill being used. Once again, it's for dramatic effect. How dull would it if people just saw their favorite FF character ripped and sliced to shreds with blood and gore. Even in the clip you provided earlier, Aeris doesn't even bleed when Sephiroth stabs her.
YouTube video
Kek, any way I said drop it earlier and don't let this become the focus of the debate since it is meaningless.
Omnislash, Ultimate War God Slash Version 5 (Omnislash V5), Omnislash v5.0. (AC one) or any other Omnislash bull shit are all physical attacks and nothing more because there is no 100% proof to back up they would be other wise, since a sword slashing at things multiple times would be in the tangible area.

Why do you keep bringing up this blood junk? Im not saying its not physical because "theres no blood" i'm saying its not phsysical because you can CLEARLY see Cloud's bodies phasing THROUGH Sephiroth.

And why are you posting a video from Dissidia? That's not the real Cloud, nor is it the real Omnislash. You cannot use that for evidence at all, for example:

The Sephiroth in Kingdom Hearts was completely different from the real Sephiroth, Sephiroth never had that kind of teleportation in KH, nor did he even have that outfit, same with the red scarf Cloud with the wing in Kingdom Heart, never really existed in FF7

Sephiroths Supernova in Dissidia was COMPLETELY different to his Supernova in the FF7 game, which one is actually canon though? Obviously the FF7 one is, because the characters in Dissidia arent the real canon character, nor are the moves.


Well he can use it when ever. You can use it at any time during combat or other wise. But you're limiting it by game mechanics, it's obvious that Farore's wind is an ability much like the Tornado you can summon to carry you across the land to Dungeon entrances. If Link was literally able to summon a tornado or teleport, It's really obvious that it wouldn't be limited by game mechanics to only be dungeon related, and thus be able to go any where, at any time. But I'll set that aside for now because it's not needed at the moment.

And this is a debate against Link. Link, the very transitional name to a hero of time in the Legend of Zelda titles. He has all his known abilities at his disposal and all his items at the ready, since nothing has been restricted other wise, all strictly to canon. You like the word Amalgam Link, yeah a combined Link. Rules state fights must be fair right? and if you think Sephiroth is so powerful and godly then we have to be able to balance this out. You're scared that Link really is more powerful then you're god, Sephiroth? Link is Link. Everything he's done, everything he's capable of is up for grabs at this moment. All going to be restricted and according to canon.


No Link cannot use Farore's wind to warp around instantly, Farora's wind is more like a teleportation to a specific spot. Unless you have any proof to state otherwise.

The thing is Link isn't capable of having all of these abilities, because they aren't actually his abilities under his own power, they are like accessories, equipment he gains, etc. No such Link existed. He isn't even capable of carrying all of that at one time. I'm talking a canon Link that really existed, pick a Link that is canon please.


Mhm, Low level Telekinesis. The ability to only make physical contact by using one's mental prowess. Regardless of what you can do with it. So since that will power of making an extension of his physical contact would mean that he can't really use it effectively against Link, since he wards off such techniques with the Master Sword. That goes for the same of the Negative Lifestream. It is infected and evil, so it wouldn't be able to lay a touch upon Link while the blade protects him from such. We've pointed to you out before and it's ultimately translated in every version of the Legend of Zelda games that the Master Sword is what keeps Link and Ganondorf on the same level of playing fields. We all know Ganondorf could probably rape Link, but its indeed with that weapon that puts him at the same magnitude. Where the two can go head to head, what makes Sephiroth or any other evil any less effected by it's abilities? NOTHING, it would translate to all (i.e. Agahnim)

That's nonsense. Give me a statement saying the master sword makes link invulnerable/immortal to anything it considers evil.


If you really knew about the abilities Link has from his games, Ether is an extremely quick cast with no such long animation more or less then Link spinning rapidly and raising the Master Sword. It is inescapable since, "the upper atmosphere and polar wind" is all fair play when using Ether to freeze or even kill enemies instantly. That is, you manipulate those forces to any where. I suggest you learn more about the Legend of Zelda, other then Ocarina of Time, before jumping in to any other discussions concerning Link.

Show me Link using ether. Sephiroth can basically tank elemental attacks like nothing anyway. And Links sword spinning crap has no chance of hitting Sephiroth.


"Some common whips such as the bullwhip or sparewhip are able to move faster than sound: the tip of the whip breaks the sound barrier and causes a sharp crack—literally a sonic boom." -Wikicited
The build up force and length behind a whip, gaining momentum means that it eventually reaches to go so fast as to break the sound barrier. "the speed of sound is 330 meters per second (1,083 ft/s). This equates to 1,235 kilometers per hour (767 mph) or about one mile in five seconds." And Majora's whip like tentacles are extremely long in length, easily able to break the sound barrier as they lash out, and Link able to dodge and evade them.
tl;dr: Link can evade and gain agility to go faster then the speed it takes to break the sound barrier.

WOW, first of all, thats not even s statement stating that Majora's Masks attacks at the speed of sound haha!

second of all, what causes the sonic boom is the very END of the whip that whiplashes back, it's NOT the entire whip that is causing the sonic boom noise, claiming the entire whip moves at the speed of sound is ridiculous.

thirdly, the fight was completely gameplay and has no suggestion that Link dodged every single whip attack, he most likely blocked most of it.


And once again you clearly have not played many Legend of Zelda games, because it is the dark lord of evil himself, Ganondorf that is capable of instant and simultaneous teleportation since him being the first final boss in the Legend of Zelda. Also he's completely invisible while he's doing that and Link still has to react while being shot at from energy blasts and slice him, then fire the silver arrow.

Again, show me, you claimed Link was able to instanly teleport and that was a lie.


And when Sephiroth was finally beaten at the end of FFVII, and got absorbed into the lifestream, he refused to allow himself to be absorbed into the Lifestream to simply become a memory. As such, his consciousness -- as it dispersed through the Lifestream's Spirit Energy -- contaminated the surrounding Spirit Energy with his will, and he then made himself manifest once more, though he was now divided into three seperate entities, all with seperate aspects of his consciousness, and, thereby, their own unique personalities. They weren't really clones, but I also don't see him able to have quick regeneration based on that either. He isn't Wolverine. [/B]

.. ? I don't understand why you posted the plot of Sephiroth contaminating the lifestream.

Sephiroths regeneration is as shown as he can regenerate complete bodies from a piece of Jenova, instantly. He did it throughout FF7. A finger can be regenerated into a fully complete Sephiroth body, or Jenova monster. The speed of the regeeneration? Basically instantly, In the video i showed you, Sephiroth drops a piece of Jenova, it turns into a monster right away instantly, when Sephroth was revived in ac, his body regenerated instantly.

There's only one thing I want to comment on here.

Originally posted by Terryc250
WOW, first of all, thats not even s statement stating that Majora's Masks attacks at the speed of sound haha!

second of all, what causes the sonic boom is the very END of the whip that whiplashes back, it's NOT the entire whip that is causing the sonic boom noise, claiming the entire whip moves at the speed of sound is ridiculous.

Yes. That's right. The portion of the whip that breaks the sound barrier is the tip.

Now...Terry...can you tell me what portion of a whip is used in an attack? Is it the tip? I'm pretty sure it's the tip. So...if the tip is used to attack...and the tip is what breaks the sound barrier...then is it not feasible to consider a whip attack to be faster than the speed of sound?

I mean, I dunno, maybe it's just another crazy idea from me.

*sighs* More snark. I hate being snarky. I apologize, but that statement just had me...