Sephiroth vs Link

Originally posted by K1ll3r
No, the creators have said we have never seen Sephiroth trying although depending on the person he will either not try at all (Cloud) or just make sure he always has the upper hand (Genesis, Angeal).

He should really think about trying. I've asked this before, but how many times has he just "let" Cloud beat him now? Was it four?

I believe so, I recall ScreamPaste even making a joke about a cash cow, and then asking me to pardon the expression. Was pretty funny actually.

Originally posted by ScreamPaste
1. Negative.

2. Speculation. You're hyping holy too much.

3. Never done, and is not combat relative.

4. Was Jenova before Sephiroth.

1. Positive.

2. No, it was created for the sole purpose by The Cetra, if they say it can destroy a Meteor, it can.

3. Was done. Indeed but you have to wonder, if he can do that what else can he do.

4. Sephiroth is JENOVA, you are retarded if you don't understand this yet. You see, he controls JENOVA with his will, he is literally made up only of JENOVA cells physically. Therefore Durability feat stands.

So, you assumed that Sephiroth flew 5km/s because a second later he hit Genesis back down. Has the distance been measured at 5 km? Did you physically see him fly?

Couldn't Jenova have spent all those 2000 years healing?

She was incapacitated for a LONG time apparently.

I have thought about it, one minute of freefall is about equal to one kilometer. Considering Sephiroth also slams him downwards as he starts falling, he isn't just 'freefalling' because he has force outside of gravity forcing him downwards, plus Sephiroth hits him down again near the end, applying more force to his descent. I then guesstimated from the when Seph looks down and the time it took Genesis to fall.

JENOVA never had 2000 years to heal before taking on The Cetra.

This is what happened:

1. JENOVA crashed.
2. The Cetra sensed the destruction and went to heal it.
3. Jenova was there and nearly wiped them out.
4. The Cetra put Jenova into a sleep.
5. 2000 years later, Sephiroths weakest body gets absorbed into the lifestream from Cloud throwing him into it.
6. Sephiroths will takes over JENOVA and it becomes his new physical body, he uses J-cells in Sephiroth clones to also further increase his J-cell count.
7. Cloud destroys Sephiroths will.
8. Sephiroths will eventually re...something I dunno, but it comes back and he creates three remnants based on his personality.
9. Kadaj merges with J-cells and Sephiroth is formed.
10. Cloud destroys Sephiroths will.

So that is 3 times.

Originally posted by ScreamPaste
So you're comparing a /movie/ to soem gameplay. Let me put it this way, if I put that video of Link next to Sephiroth [b]WAITING HIS TURN, Sephiroth wouldn't look so hot.[/B]

If we're gonna be using pure gameplay, Sephiroth still wins. Heartless Angel + Anything else = Game over. Oh wait, Link has fairies? It will only last a bit longer and still the same result.

[B[Link in canon has thrown objects in excess of a thousand tons with relative ease. |: He could pop Sephiroth by throwing an apple at him. [/B]

Right, and Sephiroth is just gonna stand there and take the hit. 🙄

Besides, he's been covered in flames. You're expecting a thrown non-lethal object to do any better?

Originally posted by ScreamPaste
She was incapacitated for a LONG time apparently.

Not until it obliterated most of The Cetra. Geez at least I played Zelda...

Originally posted by Sin_Volvagia
If we're gonna be using pure gameplay, Sephiroth still wins. Heartless Angel + Anything else = Game over. Oh wait, Link has fairies? It will only last a bit longer and still the same result.

Right, and Sephiroth is just gonna stand there and take the hit. 🙄

Besides, he's been covered in flames. You're expecting a thrown non-lethal object to do any better?

He could stand and take anything Link threw at him, even that granite rock considering the body he uses is made up of a being that CREATED A FREAKING HUGE CRATER THAT SCARRED A WORLD FOR 2000 YEARS AND THE CURRENT CRATER WHEN COMPARED TO A HELICOPTER, THE HELICOPTER IS A TINY DOT ON THE SIDE, ALSO IT GOES DOWN TO THE CORE OF THE PLANET. Srsly

/eyeroll. The Jcells that make up his body can still be seperated, and unless you can find me a video of Jenova wreathed in the flames of re-entry, it's ost likely the was hidden inside a "wound" on the "planet" which she rode to the FF7 world. Colllisions like that don't create wounds, they create crators, and if the planet had any /reasonable/ speed at all when it hit the FF7 world, it'd get up-****ed. Read:knocked out of orbit, exploded, the cetra would be extinct instantly. The wound soundss like somethign to do with Jenova's infection of the planet, not the planet's actual collision.

anyway, unless you can find me a video, Jcells are as durable as any other space faring micro organism, tops.

She also was forced to go to sleep for 2000 years.. Uhm. Lol?

Link throws his sheild at Sephiroth, and it strikes like a comet, tearing him apart. Then Link casually touches him with the master sword, killing him. |:

Edit: @Sin. You didn't get my point. You were comparing a movie to a gameplay section and saying "the movie looks kooler!11". No shit. No lets watch Sephiroth wait his turn. Now who looks slower? |: See my point yet!?

Originally posted by ScreamPaste

Edit: @Sin. You didn't get my point. You were comparing a movie to a gameplay section and saying "the movie looks kooler!11". No shit. No lets watch Sephiroth wait his turn. Now who looks slower? |: See my point yet!?

If we use pure gameplay (in case you didn't read my last post), Sephiroth could simply use Heartless Angel (it brings the HP of all opposers down to 1) and then follow it up with a magic attack. Link dies.

If that's not enough, we can use his base form in Cloud's past. He's practically invincible since everything (including some dragon's fire breath) does 0 damage to him.

If we're not using gameplay mechanics, Sephiroth chops off Link's head and shoves the Hylian Shield up his ass.

Originally posted by K1ll3r
I have thought about it, one minute of freefall is about equal to one kilometer. Considering Sephiroth also slams him downwards as he starts falling, he isn't just 'freefalling' because he has force outside of gravity forcing him downwards, plus Sephiroth hits him down again near the end, applying more force to his descent. I then guesstimated from the when Seph looks down and the time it took Genesis to fall.

You still have to take into consideration the forces of gravity slowing Genesis down as he flies up. That's not my main point anyway.

You ignored my main point. Unless you saw Sephiroth fly up after Genesis, he can't fly that fast. You've stated yourself he can teleport. It'd be as simple as that.

Originally posted by Sin_Volvagia
If we use pure gameplay (in case you didn't read my last post), Sephiroth could simply use Heartless Angel (it brings the HP of all opposers down to 1) and then follow it up with a magic attack. Link dies.

If that's not enough, we can use his base form in Cloud's past. He's practically invincible since everything (including some dragon's fire breath) does 0 damage to him.

If we're not using gameplay mechanics, Sephiroth chops off Link's head and shoves the Hylian Shield up his ass.

Originally posted by ScreamPaste
You're totally ridiculous if you think sephiroth's sword can even hurt Link |: Read the thread.

I've read the thread and played all the main console Zelda games (except Wind Waker). I know what I'm talking about.

You probably want me to see the post that tells how Link could survive Ganon's castle-leveling swings. Well for one, Ganon is slow. Second, Link could just blind him with his Light Arrows before making a strike (and yes, I'm aware that the tail weakness is a game mechanic).

Sephiroth swings his sword faster and slice any light arrow that comes his way.

Yeah, Ganon is not slow. Sorry.

Originally posted by ScreamPaste
/eyeroll. The Jcells that make up his body can still be seperated, and unless you can find me a video of Jenova wreathed in the flames of re-entry, it's ost likely the was hidden inside a "wound" on the "planet" which she rode to the FF7 world. Colllisions like that don't create wounds, they create crators, and if the planet had any /reasonable/ speed at all when it hit the FF7 world, it'd get up-****ed. Read:knocked out of orbit, exploded, the cetra would be extinct instantly. The wound soundss like somethign to do with Jenova's infection of the planet, not the planet's actual collision.

anyway, unless you can find me a video, Jcells are as durable as any other space faring micro organism, tops.

She also was forced to go to sleep for 2000 years.. Uhm. Lol?

Link throws his sheild at Sephiroth, and it strikes like a comet, tearing him apart. Then Link casually touches him with the master sword, killing him. |:

Edit: @Sin. You didn't get my point. You were comparing a movie to a gameplay section and saying "the movie looks kooler!11". No shit. No lets watch Sephiroth wait his turn. Now who looks slower? |: See my point yet!?

A. The entirety of the Meteor\Planet is on flames it would be impossible to get away from. Farout you are really reaching to disprove this
B. Still, the meteor is nowhere to be found, most of it must have burned up on re-entry (Considering it was already burning up). The rest was the impact.
C. You are missing the fact that in FF7 planets are seintent(sp).
D. Jenovas infection of the planet never came til later. That crater that goes down into the core, was created when Jenova landed on the planet.
E. Ho ho ho, Jenova survived the impact. That is all.

Indeed, seeing as it was just INSTINCTS it was very easy for the magic creators: The Cetra. However Sephiroths will has now taken over it.

No. Sephiroth slices Link in half while Link is trying to pull his shield out.

It wouldn't matter how slow Sephiroth is, in game play Sephiroth would be impossible for Link to beat.

Originally posted by MooCowofJustice
You still have to take into consideration the forces of gravity slowing Genesis down as he flies up. That's not my main point anyway.

You ignored my main point. Unless you saw Sephiroth fly up after Genesis, he can't fly that fast. You've stated yourself he can teleport. It'd be as simple as that.

What the? You mean air resistance? Lolz, people can get to the speed of sound from free falling.

Wut? If he teleported he wouldn't have bothered leaping from the cannon.

I haven't heard of him teleporting until he became the new JENOVA, although I wouldn't put it above him to do so. (Protip: Play the game)

Also, Ganon is slow until evidence is shown to the contrary. When he was showing off, last time I checked it was incredibly slow not to mention he disarmed link with a measly attack that Sephiroth could replicate 10x over.

NOTE: I am a hobbyist freefaller adrenaline junkie, I wish to do the speed of sound freefall, it would be so freakin' sweeeeeeeeeeeet.

Since when were we talking Gameplay? I'm lost in this thread.

Sephiroth can't react to Link throwing his shield, it's too fast for him.

Originally posted by MooCowofJustice
Yeah, Ganon is not slow. Sorry.

He is in OoT

Originally posted by MooCowofJustice
Since when were we talking Gameplay? I'm lost in this thread.

It happened after I posted a AC video.

Sephiroth can't react to Link throwing his shield, it's too fast for him.

Link doesn't and won't throw his shield.

Ignore this. SOrry for the double post.

Any Ganon is the same Ganon. He doesn't die, he's like Chuck Norris, he just waits...

Originally posted by Sin_Volvagia
He is in OoT

He's right. I played OoT and he was indeed slow. I believe he was also slow in Wind Waker.

Originally posted by MooCowofJustice
Any Ganon is the same Ganon. He doesn't die, he's like Chuck Norris, he just waits...

I know it's the same Ganon but it's safe to say that he does get powerful over time.

In OoT, he's a sorceror and has that beast-like form that excells in melee combat. At the time of Twilight Princess, he's almost godly. If we fast forward to the first Zelda game (which occurs long after OoT), he's practically darkness itself.