...Ganon's just as powerful in all of his forms except in aLttP, where he has the /entire/ triforce, and a weaker form in the linked Oracle games where it's just his mindless body.
Other than that he always has the same power. |:
Edit, Sin still doesn't understand, I'm not using gameplay I'm highlighting a flaw in his argument.
OFCOURSE a movie about a character will show them moving more fluidly than gameplay. This doesn't change the fact that by feats Link is Sephiroth's superior.
Originally posted by ScreamPaste
...Ganon's just as powerful in all of his forms except in aLttP, where he has the /entire/ triforce, and a weaker form in the linked Oracle games where it's just his mindless body.Other than that he always has the same power. |:
Edit, Sin still doesn't understand, I'm not using gameplay I'm highlighting a flaw in his argument.
OFCOURSE a movie about a character will show them moving more fluidly than gameplay. This doesn't change the fact that by feats Link is Sephiroth's superior.
You're pulling things out of your ass now. Link hasn't done feats that are equal to what Sephiroth has done. But what can I expect from a Zelda fanboy? You would even claim that Link can take down Superman.
I'm a major fan of DMC and even I admit that Dante would have trouble with Sephiroth.
Originally posted by ScreamPaste
...Ganon's just as powerful in all of his forms except in aLttP, where he has the /entire/ triforce, and a weaker form in the linked Oracle games where it's just his mindless body.Other than that he always has the same power. |:
Edit, Sin still doesn't understand, I'm not using gameplay I'm highlighting a flaw in his argument.
OFCOURSE a movie about a character will show them moving more fluidly than gameplay. This doesn't change the fact that by feats Link is Sephiroth's superior.
What feats put Link above Sephiroth.
Granite throwing feat.
Getting disarmed by a slow and weak attack from Ganon.
Inability to take trauma to the head.
Ability to play a tune and affect time.
Ability to be proficient with any weapon he picks up.
Against
Meteor landing durability.
Incredible skill with a sword. (To wield his masamune you would need it)
Incredibly fast speeds. (5 Kilometers p\s)
Incredibly fast attacks. (5 Unique attacks a second, slicing through metal)
Incredibly fast reaction. (And perception, two attacks 0.2 seconds apart from two different directions, easily deflected by Sephiroth in his pre-nib status)
Incredible Will. (Held back Holy, which can destroy at least a meteor and can push at least 1800 tons of airship from the core of a planet high into the atmosphere)
Originally posted by ScreamPaste
Cause Sephiroth does sooo much better. /cough.
Cause <Insert any re-occuring villian) does sooo much better. /cough.
😆 90% of that post's already been addressed and disproven. Seph's never moved at 5KM/s, or landed on a meteor. Link's got super sonic reaction time and durability enough to tank the destruction of the moon, let alone his own ridiclous power. |: Sephiroth not only can't hurt Link, his own evil nature gives Link the ability to utterly estroy him with the master sword.
Originally posted by ScreamPaste
😆 90% of that post's already been addressed and disproven. Seph's never moved at 5KM/s, or landed on a meteor. Link's got super sonic reaction time and durability enough to tank the destruction of the moon, let alone his own ridiclous power. |: Sephiroth not only can't hurt Link, his own evil nature gives Link the ability to utterly estroy him with the master sword.
I am sorry, where was any of this disproven?
Sephiroth vs Angeal vs Genesis:
Sephiroth hits Genesis up into the air and hits Genesis back down, who then falls (Gravity + Sephiroths hit) for a full minute.
Landed on a meteor what...are you smoking? Have you become completely blind? You must be trolling me...whatever.
No, you see, this is something Link does not have, you have to prove it.
Enough of this dodging whips lulz, which A. Doesn't happen in canon. B. Isn't as great as you make it out to be.
No, the moon feat is nothing. You have to prove Link took anything.
A. The rainbow thing doesn't hurt the beings holding the moon up. Ergo doesn't mess with anything but the moon.
B. You can only assume it hurts Link, or even that Link fell from the moon.
Link gets his sword knocked away out of his hands from Ganon and it flies maybe 15 metres.
Also, I would like to know, how come when Link lifts and throws the granite rock no force is applied to the ground he is standing on?
Answer: No force was applied to him.
Why ignore the other parts of my post?
Magical Gauntletslulz.
Well, if he really took the force there would have had to have been some kind of reaction, which would have driven him into the ground instead of imploding.
So, Magical Gauntlets defy physics.
or
Mathed out equation with big logical flaw that also involves defying physics.
I am asking you to explain it.
Link can lift large heavy pillars sure but can he cut them like butter? I doubt it.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7ZV6ub1jmms
See what Sephiroth does here? He just performed a slash attack and the light coming from his sword just sliced a large chunk off of that building like nothing.
The things in these posts disgust me.
Sin Volvagia: Superman is mad broken, okay? Just like everything else in DC. Don't put words in our mouths.
Kill3r, I get tired of you ignoring me.
Unless you saw Sephiroth physically move to chase Genesis after he hit him upwards, Sephiroth didn't move that fast. You are the one who said Sephiroth can teleport, not me.
Link can easily use the Master Sword to defend himself against any TK or magic Sephiroth can use. Hell, most of it the Master Sword defends against automatically.
You're pretty quick to call out on that "assuming" that Link took the moon blast. I'm going to laugh if you didn't really see Sephiroth chase Angeal. That'll be great. 🙂
As for that attacking feat you showed me? Not impressive. The steel is hollow, and he didn't move at all, which severely limits this attacking speed nonsense you spat out.
Originally posted by MooCowofJustice
The things in these posts disgust me.Sin Volvagia: Superman is mad broken, okay? Just like everything else in DC. Don't put words in our mouths.
Kill3r, I get tired of you ignoring me.
Unless you saw Sephiroth physically move to chase Genesis after he hit him upwards, Sephiroth didn't move that fast. You are the one who said Sephiroth can teleport, not me.
Link is can easily use the Master Sword to defend himself against any TK or magic Sephiroth can use. Hell, most of it the Master Sword defends against automatically.
You're pretty quick to call out on that "assuming" that Link took the moon blast. I'm going to laugh if you didn't really see Sephiroth chase Angeal. That'll be great. 🙂
As for that attacking feat you showed me? Not impressive. The steel is hollow, and he didn't move at all, which severely limits this attacking speed nonsense you spat out.
When did I ignore you? Fine he can teleport as Pre-Nib. Here are the facts, somehow Sephiroth moved 5 kilometers in one second.
Reasons he flew: Because he flew up from leaping off the cannon, you see this part.
Reason he teleported: Because the camera doesn't follow him as he flies up.
DERP DERP.
I never said Pre-Nib Sephiroth can teleport you should play the game so you know the difference between pre-nib and post.
Yes I know. You see, I actually understand things about your game.
See above, and what moon blast only thing I saw was a harmless rainbow enveloping the moon.
El oh El, he moves through the 'steel' as he cuts it, he cuts it in such unique and different places too. Also hollow?? You realise it actually shoots large objects out of it right?
Originally posted by K1ll3r
When did I ignore you? Fine he can teleport as Pre-Nib. Here are the facts, somehow Sephiroth moved 5 kilometers in one second.Reasons he flew: Because he flew up from leaping off the cannon, you see this part.
Reason he teleported: Because the camera doesn't follow him as he flies up.
DERP DERP.
I never said Pre-Nib Sephiroth can teleport you should play the game so you know the difference between pre-nib and post.
Yes I know. You see, I actually understand things about your game.
See above, and what moon blast only thing I saw was a harmless rainbow enveloping the moon.
El oh El, he moves through the 'steel' as he cuts it, he cuts it in such unique and different places too. Also hollow?? You realise it actually shoots large objects out of it right?
Every time I make a post, I need to make it again before anybody actually acknowledges it. It's pretty annoying. You wouldn't like it either.
I'm sorry that I don't understand your game fully, but I don't have the motivation, money, or desire to play any of these games. So I'm sorry if I have to ask you to clarify things. Ok? Good.
The ground didn't crack because it was an old ass game and back then game's weren't as detailed as they were now. Remember the 30MB cartridge fact?
Even if it was detailed, I still don't think the ground would have cracked, there's way too much support from the planets crust to be cracked. 7miles of rock > 1000+ ton rock.
So we've established that Sephiroth can't move at 5km/s. Good.
Sephiroth's slashes focused on the same point. And the only direction he moved while doing it was forward. I'm using that little attack he used against Genesis in the other video, maybe you're talking about something else. What he cut through was a hollow metal tube.
Originally posted by MooCowofJustice
Every time I make a post, I need to make it again before anybody actually acknowledges it. It's pretty annoying. You wouldn't like it either.I'm sorry that I don't understand your game fully, but I don't have the motivation, money, or desire to play any of these games. So I'm sorry if I have to ask you to clarify things. Ok? Good.
The ground didn't crack because it was an old ass game and back then game's weren't as detailed as they were now. Remember the 30MB cartridge fact?
Even if it was detailed, I still don't think the ground would have cracked, there's way too much support from the planets crust to be cracked. 7miles of rock > 1000+ ton rock.
So we've established that Sephiroth can't move at 5km/s. Good.
Sephiroth's slashes focused on the same point. And the only direction he moved while doing it was forward. I'm using that little attack he used against Genesis in the other video, maybe you're talking about something else. What he cut through was a hollow metal tube.
You weren't asking me to clarify, you were basically telling me things. But I am fine with clarifying things for you.
I am sorry, you see how they embedded the rock into the side of the hill \ whatever it was? They could have easily added Link sinking at least a tiny bit.
So, I wonder how people can even dig into the ground considering that not many people can exert as much PSI as that would.
No, we haven't established that? He can get from point A to point B being five kilometers apart, in a second. Your logic is so horrible.
Here is a simple diagram:
The cannon: (Obviously not to scale)
_____
*****| <- Sephiroth
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Hollow Part
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_____
Originally posted by K1ll3r
You weren't asking me to clarify, you were basically telling me things. But I am fine with clarifying things for you.I am sorry, you see how they embedded the rock into the side of the hill \ whatever it was? They could have easily added Link sinking at least a tiny bit.
So, I wonder how people can even dig into the ground considering that not many people can exert as much PSI as that would.
No, we haven't established that? He can get from point A to point B being five kilometers apart, in a second. Your logic is so horrible.
Here is a simple diagram:
The cannon: (Obviously not to scale)
_____
*****| <- Sephiroth
-------
Hollow Part
-------
_____
I'm getting lost in this. But I think you're referring in your first part to when I said Sephiroth had to move. You should notice that I said "Unless you see Sephiroth move, he doesn't do it." It's telling you things, yes, but it's telling you that it needs to be clarified if Sephiroth moved or not.
That pillar in the rock wall is the only rock that can be considered not canon, as it is the only giant pillar that lifting is optional for. There are two more in the castle that HAVE to be moved. That one is just likely the only one that ScreamPaste found a video of. And this is assuming I even remember what video we're looking at here.
Still, we don't see him fly the whole distance. Teleportation is a possibility. But, what is pre-nib Sephiroth. Hell, that could have been an insult directed at me, I really don't remember.
I do not see how my logic is horrible though. It's really the same thing that everybody else used to say that Link has never taken a hit from Ganon "If you don't see it, it never happened."
As for the cannon slicing, I'll watch the video again. But it still does not look very thick at all.
Originally posted by MooCowofJustice
I'm getting lost in this. But I think you're referring in your first part to when I said Sephiroth had to move. You should notice that I said "Unless you see Sephiroth move, he doesn't do it." It's telling you things, yes, but it's telling you that it needs to be clarified if Sephiroth moved or not.
Okay, lets go through this:
If you go from Point A to Point Z, you must pass through Point B -> Point Y. Even when you teleport you are moving, according to some sciences.
I am not sure what you are saying except "We didn't see him move to Genesis, he didn't". Which obviously would be wrong, maybe think about your post.
Originally posted by MooCowofJustice
That pillar in the rock wall is the only rock that can be considered not canon, as it is the only giant pillar that lifting is optional for. There are two more in the castle that HAVE to be moved. That one is just likely the only one that ScreamPaste found a video of. And this is assuming I even remember what video we're looking at here.
Look, it wouldn't have taken any more memory to add a cracking to the ground in the cutscene. (But leave it normal in the actual game world.)
Originally posted by MooCowofJustice
Still, we don't see him fly the whole distance. Teleportation is a possibility. But, what is pre-nib Sephiroth. Hell, that could have been an insult directed at me, I really don't remember.
Pre-Nib Sephiroth is before he took over JENOVAs body.
Pre-Nibelheim is the Sephiroth you see on the cannon, he is the one you see up until he destroys the town Nibleheim and gets thrown into the lifestream. After that he is Post-Nibelheim, where he learns his true origins, knowledge of the ancients and when he takes over JENOVAs body and displays incredible will and other crazy powers.
Originally posted by MooCowofJustice
I do not see how my logic is horrible though. It's really the same thing that everybody else used to say that Link has never taken a hit from Ganon "If you don't see it, it never happened."
But you actually do see Sephiroth move, if he didn't move how did he get to Genesis?
It is different because you can win a fight without taking a hit, unfortunately we just don't know how it happened.
Originally posted by MooCowofJustice
As for the cannon slicing, I'll watch the video again. But it still does not look very thick at all.
It is thick, trust me, it is just the entire thing is giant. Watch like, 10 seconds after that as well. Besides, the metal isn't the point, look at the jagged edges he makes on the cannon, he still slices five times a second which is incredible. He cuts through the entire thing like nothing.
Originally posted by K1ll3r
Okay, lets go through this:If you go from Point A to Point Z, you must pass through Point B -> Point Y. Even when you teleport you are moving, according to some sciences. I am not sure what you are saying except "We didn't see him move to Genesis, he didn't". Which obviously would be wrong, maybe think about your post.
Look, it wouldn't have taken any more memory to add a cracking to the ground in the cutscene. (But leave it normal in the actual game world.)
But you actually do see Sephiroth move, if he didn't move how did he get to Genesis?
It is different because you can win a fight without taking a hit, unfortunately we just don't know how it happened.
It is thick, trust me, it is just the entire thing is giant. Watch like, 10 seconds after that as well. Besides, the metal isn't the point, look at the jagged edges he makes on the cannon, he still slices five times a second which is incredible. He cuts through the entire thing like nothing.
Ok. So he can teleport at 5km/s which means that his speed relies on his teleportation, and Link can deal with teleportation. Sephiroth's flight or running speed or whatever can't go that fast.
It's a short cut scene, what was it, ten or 15 seconds for him to throw that stone? Programming cracks is still adding in too much detail to a massive game like OoT when they didn't add a bunch of detail to games back then. And programming cracks in the ground for 15 seconds is useless. After that they would just disappear like the ground healed. I think it's a better choice experience wise to just leave it out. OoT feels like a very real and epic game, why ruin that? Would you want invisible walls in a FF game? (maybe there has been, I don't know.)