Originally posted by ScreamPaste
Because the cutscenes show Young Link |: it's existance is canon, but it's not canon that Link used it to beat Majora.
Lul, but gameplay is canon ^_^.
On a serious note, Link can't react at supersonic speeds, saying it is rediculous. Blocking a whip != reacting to a supersonic object.
Originally posted by MooCowofJustice
See, now you're just being an ass.Common sense isn't an accurate measuring tool. I have assumed nothing. Nor did I say you assumed he is flying. I said it is not proven he flew.
I read that paragraph, but all I remember is "blah blah blah technical terms blah blah blah whining blah blah bottle of water."
If Link can deal with the initial attack, then the rest are no different. They'll all be the same speed.
No, I am not.
Yes it is, one minute of falling is 1 kilometer, add on being hit by Sephiroth (Twice) you would get a hell of a lot of accelareration. Just like it isn't proven that Link took any force from the moon or can react to supersonic objects, except this is just being pedantic.
So, you concede they could have added it in if that force was actually being pressed on Link?
Wut? Link can't deal with Sephiroths attacks. Zant is nothing compared to Sephiroth in terms of sword skill and (sword)speed.
Originally posted by NemeBro
Zack Fair was able to easily dodge and repel machine-gun fire, and handled an entire army of Shinra SOLDIERS by himself.Sephiroth easily blitzed Zack.
Truth. Not to mention just that sword slashing the Junon Cannon is faster then anything that Link has been against. Probably by tenfold.
Yes you were.
I'd math that, but I'm bad at Math and my metrics are laughable. But, I thought it was a second of falling? You just confused me. Sephiroth hit him up in the air 5 Kilometers, teleported there in a second, hit him back down and he fell for 1 kilometer for a minute...what?
No, I just thought it'd be more fun to call you nitpicky that way.
The first one from Zant would be just as fast Sephiroth's. The rest won't get any faster. If he can react to the first, he can react to the rest.
Link stuffs Sephiroth into his pocket of Infinte Nothingness.
On a serious note, Link can't react at supersonic speeds, saying it is rediculous. Blocking a whip != reacting to a supersonic object.
I'll give you a sheild, and not tell you where I'm going to hit you with somethign that is super sonic. If you can figure out where you're going to be hit, and block it, guess what, you reacted at super sonic speed, sadly, you'll never achieve it because you're a real person.
BTW, I did some math to figure out the PSI required to not even hurt Link, and Seph can't produce it.
Originally posted by ScreamPaste
PSI is the result of pound-foot force on a single inch of surface area, and a pound foot of force is equal to 1.3558179483314004 joules.Link in OoT threw a granite block weighing 1388.994 tons at a speed of over 75 meters per second, with relative ease. For this exercise, I'll be rounding these numbers down to 1300 and 75.
To accellerate a block that heavy to that speed Link had to generate 3316894205 joules of energy. Ganon is stronger than even OoT Link with the gauntlets, and TP Link sword locked with Ganon. [AHAH, relevance!]
Now let's assume that TP Link is as strong as OoT Link. [He's actually stronger.], and Ganon for whatever reason, rather than resisting Link in the sword lock, remains static, thus it's only the reaction of Link's own action on the palms of his hands when he sword locks with Ganon in TP.
This is; 2446415618 foot-pounds of force, now divide by the area of his hands. let's assume for the pure lulz that the palms of his hands combine into a square foot of area. Divide by 144 for PSI and you get 16988997 from just his own down-rounded strength, spread over an impossibly large surface area, and this amount of force did no harm whatsoever to Link.
FYI, thats 8494 tons of PSI.
Edit: I laugh at the idea of a bullet hurting him. |:
This is originally from the sims thread, people claimed bullets could kill Link, so I did some math.
Originally posted by MooCowofJustice
Yes you were.I'd math that, but I'm bad at Math and my metrics are laughable. But, I thought it was a second of falling? You just confused me. Sephiroth hit him up in the air 5 Kilometers, teleported there in a second, hit him back down and he fell for 1 kilometer for a minute...what?
No, I just thought it'd be more fun to call you nitpicky that way.
The first one from Zant would be just as fast Sephiroth's. The rest won't get any faster. If he can react to the first, he can react to the rest.
Link stuffs Sephiroth into his pocket of Infinte Nothingness.
Whatever.
Seriously. one minute of falling = one kilometer IF GRAVITY IS THE ONLY THING AFFECTING IT.
Hoho, prove to me that Link took the force.
What? No.
Also, no.
Originally posted by ScreamPaste
I'll give you a sheild, and not tell you where I'm going to hit you with somethign that is super sonic. If you can figure out where you're going to be hit, and block it, guess what, you reacted at super sonic speed, sadly, you'll never achieve it because you're a real person.BTW, I did some math to figure out the PSI required to not even hurt Link, and Seph can't produce it.
This is originally from the sims thread, people claimed bullets could kill Link, so I did some math.
Sure, if you use a whip and I have a shield lets go. The attack isn't supersonic GEEZ.
Show me where this throwing of the object happens. Is there any evidence showing that Link took the force?
Originally posted by ScreamPaste
I'll give you a sheild, and not tell you where I'm going to hit you with somethign that is super sonic. If you can figure out where you're going to be hit, and block it, guess what, you reacted at super sonic speed, [b]sadly, you'll never achieve it because you're a real person.
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Dream crusher.
Edit: Dude, Sephiroth can't hit him UPWARDS for 5 KILOMETERS and teleport there a second later to hit him DOWNARDS allowing him to fall for ONE MINUTE and let that be equal to 1 KILOMETER.
That shit's ****ed up.
Originally posted by MooCowofJustice
Dream crusher.Edit: Dude, Sephiroth can't hit him UPWARDS for 5 KILOMETERS and teleport there a second later to hit him DOWNARDS allowing him to fall for ONE MINUTE and let that be equal to 1 KILOMETER.
That shit's ****ed up.
1. Falling with gravity for one minute is one kilometer.
2. Falling with gravity AND Sephiroths hit and falling for one minute would make the distance further than 1.
1 has a slower acceleration and speed than 2.
Show me where this throwing of the object happens. Is there any evidence showing that Link took the force?It's in OoT when you toss the stone in Ganon's castle.. And ..wut? how would he NOT take the force? That makes no sense.
Besides, the example I gave shows a situation with no magical gauntlets for you to make excuses for. |:
Originally posted by ScreamPaste
It's in OoT when you toss the stone in Ganon's castle.. And ..wut? how would he NOT take the force? That makes no sense.Besides, the example I gave shows a situation with no magical gauntlets for you to make excuses for. |:
Tell me or show me where this happens so I can play that part of the game. I don't know, what I do know is he was knocked out from being knocked off a horse.
I didn't make excuses, I used logic and common sense. If force was pushing on Link he would have sunk in.
@MooCowofJustice: Because he didn't use as much force hitting him down than he used to hit him up. Far out man, use your brain.
Originally posted by K1ll3r
Tell me or show me where this happens so I can play that part of the game. I don't know, what I do know is he was knocked out from being knocked off a horse.I didn't make excuses, I used logic and common sense. If force was pushing on Link he would have sunk in.
@MooCowofJustice: Because he didn't use as much force hitting him down than he used to hit him up. Far out man, use your brain.
I told you you confused me. Suck a dick.
He better have been in the air, 'cause Sephiroth isn't sending anything through the ground. He's too much of a weakling.
Originally posted by ScreamPasteSword lock in TP? Are we arguing TP Link now? And the Master Sword literally repels, that would factor into his pushing, lessening the strain.
Read it again Neme, I'm talking about the sword lock in TP. And I can indeed use it, all they give is strength. |:<
No, you CANNOT use it, it gives him magically enhanced strength in his arms, NOT durability.
Originally posted by MooCowofJustice
I told you you confused me. Suck a dick.He better have been in the air, 'cause Sephiroth isn't sending anything through the ground. He's too much of a weakling.
Yeah, I probably did. I suck at getting my point across.
Hm?
Prove me wrong.
That doesn't say anything except: if Link used this force it would have been this force with the sword.
TP sword lock = Barely any force, in fact, when Genesis hit Sephiroths sword, there was more force behind it.
Originally posted by ScreamPaste
Killer... You're going to make me headdesk if you think anyone in FF7 can generate more force in a sword lock than Ganon and Link, a pair of thousand plus tonners. D:<
Let's not forget the special properties of the Master Sword.
1. It's the Bane of Evil.
2. It was powered up with the light of the Sols.
With that plus the strength of Link shown in TP, we can see how Ganondorf was defeated.
And remember, the Golden Gauntlets only strengthen his arms, not his whole body. That means Link can be decapitated and an arrow can pierce his skull and kill him.
Actually, they don't only boost his arms, that would make no sense, two, the properties of the sword affect the force exerted between two characters with strength on a level above 1000+ tons? The PSI on Link's hands was still well over 8494 tons without even hurting him during that sword lock, and that's if we don't even coutn Ganon pushing back. So, the properties of the sword repelling evil factored in already... What's your argument against that now?
How can Sephiroth hope to hurt that?
Edit: So we've established 1. Link's legs can also support the weight of those pillars, 2. Even if Ganon didn't push back Link's hands withstood 8494 tons of PSI without being damaged at all in TP.
This thread is ridiculous spite, how can Sephiroth fight what he can't hurt?