I know, I said I shouldn't be here since I haven't played through all of FF7 yet but I couldn't resist:
K1ll3R: To me, it looks like Genesis made himself jump back. When Sephiroth chases him, Genesis doesn't look stunned at all.
ScreamPaste: If Link is as durable as you think, why does he have a shield? And why does he need a Goron tunic to even survive the heat of a volcanic place?
That's all I'll say for now.
Heat is not an expression of PSI, and isn't relevant to physical attacks.
Also, for Link to exist in such close proximity to liquid rock for any amount of time is incredible, and it's actually very easy to clear the fire temple without a Goron tunic. Link can even walk on the lava unhurt in OoT. So, really, Link is infact, quite heat resistant.
Edit: A normal person would burst into flames very quickly.
Lol, CC, we can disagree all you like, but you'll always be my first sock. <3
Originally posted by K1ll3r
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l6ZaSipHuO4In this video I am saying from 2:06 to 2:10 is all Sephiroth hitting him back, as well as at 3:22. At all of those times Genesis does not jump. Also if you think he jumps at 2:10, why is he facing straight down as soon as he is lauched?
Let me watch the video again on here, and on my PSP. One sec.
Edit: The video isn't loading, so I'll watch the video on my PSP tonight.
Also K1ll3r if everyone does say he jumped backed, he must have jumped back, but I still don't know, I'll tell you all what I see tomorrow.
Originally posted by K1ll3r
Are you sure? How much more durable would Links head get the older he gets?
Surely a lot. The horse bucking still stands but at end of MM however Link was in the center of the moon, which would have been at least half a mile off the ground, and after the moon's destruction/vanishing act whatever, Link falls to the ground from that height and wakes up not long afterward.
This suggests that he simply got much stronger as the game progressed, through upgrades or what have you. Sure, there is the possibility that he was rescued and didn't actually hit the ground from that height, but nothing in the cutscene suggests that at all. He was alone in the center of the room with Majora with no visible way out.
Originally posted by Sin_Volvagia
I know, I said I shouldn't be here since I haven't played through all of FF7 yet but I couldn't resist:K1ll3R: To me, it looks like Genesis made himself jump back. When Sephiroth chases him, Genesis doesn't look stunned at all.
ScreamPaste: If Link is as durable as you think, why does he have a shield? And why does he need a Goron tunic to even survive the heat of a volcanic place?
That's all I'll say for now.
How can you say it looks like Genesis made himself jump back? You don't see him bend his legs or move until after Sephiroth hits his sword driving him upwards? The moment he gets launched is coupled with Sephiroth hitting his sword.
Why would Genesis be stunned?
Originally posted by ScreamPaste
Heat is not an expression of PSI, and isn't relevant to physical attacks.
But, but, PHYSICAL EFFECTS?
Originally posted by Ultimate Wil
Let me watch the video again on here, and on my PSP. One sec.Edit: The video isn't loading, so I'll watch the video on my PSP tonight.
Also K1ll3r if everyone does say he jumped backed, he must have jumped back, but I still don't know, I'll tell you all what I see tomorrow.
I found a higher quality version: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iH5WyLRYT94
I still don't see Genesis jumping! I am trying to see it but...
Originally posted by CosmicComet
Surely a lot. The horse bucking still stands but at end of MM however Link was in the center of the moon, which would have been at least half a mile off the ground, and after the moon's destruction/vanishing act whatever, Link falls to the ground from that height and wakes up not long afterward.This suggests that he simply got much stronger as the game progressed, through upgrades or what have you. Sure, there is the possibility that he was rescued and didn't actually hit the ground from that height, but nothing in the cutscene suggests that at all. He was alone in the center of the room with Majora with no visible way out.
Hm, how can you be sure though? (On increasing durability based on age alone) I mean, sure it would increase but by how much? tenfold? twentyfold?
TBH, none us know what happened in that cutscene, I have a theory that the rainbow dropped him off and was knocked out\whatever from exhaustion, however another just as 'right' one is that he fell and was knocked out. I really don't think Link is meant to be impervious to damage to the extent that is being talked about in this thread...
EDIT: I am going to get some second opinions from people who rarely play games on what they think happened when Genesis jumped\was hit up. Maybe I am just blind but I can't see the jump.
Originally posted by K1ll3r
I found a higher quality version: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iH5WyLRYT94I still don't see Genesis jumping! I am trying to see it but...
You MAY be right, I will kepp watching dude, I'll let you know, it's possibel ur right, but possible ur wrong.
Originally posted by K1ll3r
Hm, how can you be sure though? (On increasing durability based on age alone) I mean, sure it would increase but by how much? tenfold? twentyfold?TBH, none us know what happened in that cutscene, I have a theory that the rainbow dropped him off and was knocked out\whatever from exhaustion, however another just as 'right' one is that he fell and was knocked out. I really don't think Link is meant to be impervious to damage to the extent that is being talked about in this thread...
That rainbow theory doesn't work. We see the rainbow go over the horizon/tree line. It's 'touchdown point' would have been much farther than where Link landed.
Link landed quite close to the giants.
I'd like to point out, that Killer constantly asserts that no force was applied to Link durign th Moon's destruction, then argues that it turns into a rianbow which carries him.
Killer, you do NOT want to touch that theory, because if the moon was turned into a rainbow.. Imagine the energy required to evaporate a moon into vapour, then have that vapour carry a physical body?
[Rainbows are the result of moisture refracting light.]
Edit: I'm not sayign that's what happened, but believe me, you do not want it to be what happened, Killer.
Originally posted by CosmicComet
That rainbow theory doesn't work. We see the rainbow go over the horizon/tree line. It's 'touchdown point' would have been much farther than where Link landed.Link landed quite close to the giants.
That might be true, it was a while since I last played this game. Well, I thought it was a good theory = /
Originally posted by ScreamPaste
I'd like to point out, that Killer constantly asserts that no force was applied to Link durign th Moon's destruction, then argues that it turns into a rianbow which carries him.Killer, you do NOT want to touch that theory, because if the moon was turned into a rainbow.. Imagine the energy required to evaporate a moon into vapour, then have that vapour carry a physical body?
[Rainbows are the result of moisture refracting light.]
Edit: I'm not sayign that's what happened, but believe me, you do not want it to be what happened, Killer.
But you can't prove that any force was applied to him during the moons destruction? Or even that he fell, surely we should have seen him fall if he did.
Why are you so serious and scientific all the time? You realise science is wrong about a lot of things and we still don't understand a lot of things. Not to mention in a fantasy setting science pretty much falls apart.
Because it's better than guessing.
A Best guess backed by logical scientific fact is better than a ballpark "well maybe it's like this just because", any day of the week. It's a reference to quantify feats and happenings and how they would apply to those characters as accurately as possible for the most accurate debating.
Originally posted by ScreamPaste
Because it's better than guessing.A Best guess backed by logical scientific fact is better than a ballpark "well maybe it's like this just because", any day of the week. It's a reference to quantify feats and happenings and how they would apply to those characters as accurately as possible for the most accurate debating.
However, it is fantasy and it is a game, it isn't even science fiction!
Therefore most of your (And my) 'quantifying' is completely wrong.
With that moon thing, the rainbow didn't harm those giants, obviously it was only meant to take down the moon...it is such a wierd and non-scientific phenomenon. Like the Golden Gauntlets and most of everything in a lot of games.
The golden gauntlets? Their method of enhancing might defy science, but the actions Link undertakes while wearing them break no laws of physics or science...
Also, We have no idea what that rainbow was doing. All we know, is the moon was destroyed.
My method of quantifying is very reliable for 90% of scenarios, the moon feat beign one exception. How it relates to the strength and durability of characters being where it shines.
Edit: It's still alot better than a guess.
Man, this debate is really whacked, due to the fact you guys are using so many different versions of Link to compromise within this fight, which I find ridiculous. Each Link from each game is different in a way within their own right, however if my memory serves me correctly, a few years back, I read within a japanese interview with the creator, that Link inherently is intended to not be a "very fast" character, due to the fact that it wouldn't be logical to have him screaming down isles and what not while carrying masses of bombs, arrows, and bow etc, etc.
I'll need to find the source of this, so I can post it up, however I do remember an intereview somewhere stating this about Link's character. Anyhow, I still think it's rather outrageous to be using the multiple versions of Link (It should only be one version), and also, are we seriously equating Link's heat resistant from the game when he's able to walk on fire for a brief moment as canon? You can't be serious on this?
I'm not trying to start any hate either, however I'm just curious as to why this is assumed canon to Link's character.
What you read was the Link trohpy in SSB:M, I remember it. "Link's not the ost mobile character..." blah blah, it was referring to his maneuverability in a fighting game created by a biased jerk in which Link is /always/ either bottom or low tier.
And no Link was specified in the OP, and the Sephiroth debators have been using /movies/ so a little interchanging of feats isn't so bad, especially when you consider that most of the Link's are all but identical.
Edit: for 99% of this debate I've been using OoT Link alone, btw.
Originally posted by ScreamPaste
What you read was the Link trohpy in SSB:M, I remember it. "Link's not the ost mobile character..." blah blah, it was referring to his maneuverability in a fighting game created by a biased jerk in which Link is /always/ either bottom or low tier.
It wasn't from SSBM, I can guarantee you that, it was from a japanese magazine article, (forgot which one, which is why I'll try to find it), however I know 100% it's not from the game. Maybe that's what the SSBM game states within it's own reference, however this was from an interview, which I feel holds more credibility.
Also, using the movie imo isn't bad for Sephiroth, considering all of those are contributed to the same character. Where as each version of Link is a completely different individual and quite unique to themselves, this is why I feel it's unreasonable to be using different variants from the different Link versions.
Sadly, I'll agree with you on that Link is trash in all versions of the Smash Bros games (only decent one was Melee).
Eh, early on in the thread there were suggestions on how each Link could win this on their own. Link from LoZ/LoZ2 could use Spell, aLttP Link had the magic cape, and the entire triforce, OoT Link has nayru's love, cna slow time, and has the golden gauntlets, TP Link is physicly strong enough to crush coal into diamonds with his bare hands, ect.
I really only use OoT Link.
And using movies is against the rules of the forum.
Edit: the article was probably on an SSB game.
Originally posted by ScreamPaste
Eh, early on in the thread there were suggestions on how each Link could win this on their own. Link from LoZ/LoZ2 could use Spell, aLttP Link had the magic cape, and the entire triforce, OoT Link has nayru's love, cna slow time, and has the golden gauntlets, TP Link is physicly strong enough to crush coal into diamonds with his bare hands, ect.I really only use OoT Link.
And using movies is against the rules of the forum.
Edit: the article was probably on an SSB game.
It wasn't on the SSB game, as I said earlier, it was a interview just plainly about Link and also about Zelda as characters, and the franchise of the Zelda series, it had nothing to do with the SSB games, that much I remember.
I'm curious why movie's "can't" be used, when they are canon to the characters, I can honestly detract from it if they weren't canon, however ACC Sephiroth was canon to the storyline of VII itself.
On Naryu's Love, it also has drawbacks, he's incapable of using other things as well such as magical spells, flame arrows, etc, etc, however how many times can he use would depend upon his replenishment of magic jars right (which in-game wise don't you just get three? Also, he cannot simply depend upon Naryu's Love forever. Also, I'm curious when in OOT did Link slow time? Sorry, I haven't played the game in ages, so I can't remember lol 😛 .
Lastly, if we incorporate in-game tools what's to stop Sephiroth from not utilizing Materia's as well? Stop, Haste, Slow, etc, etc?