Sephiroth vs Link

Originally posted by ScreamPaste
It's one hundred percent Canon, you need to do it to beat the game. There were no boots involved, Link simply cracked his knuckles and throw the stone over his shoulder. Seph has no chance against Link, tbh, this is spite against Seph.. Here's why!

Alright, the first thing you should know, is I do alot of down-rounding in these numbers specificly so that if I screw up, I err on the pesimistic side, thus these are not exagerated fanboy numbers, at all.

Alright, we'll begin with the granite rock. [Mathed as white granite, lighter than black.]

Let me be clear, this is me being VERY conservative and working with rounded numbers. [rounded DOWN to the nearest million in the case of mass in pounds.]

If the stone Link threw in the original feat moved approx 225 metres [nice down rounded estimate] horizontally [I'm not bothering to math the high arc, screw that. If I -did- I'd get an even larger number, so this is more down-rounding.]

and 2 million pounds is 907184.739 kilos, and it was in the air approx 3 seconds, [thus moving at an easily mathed 75 m/s]

K=1/2mv^2

M= 907184.73999
V= 75

this means K [kinetic energy] = 2551457081.25 joule.

^Link is capable of generating an extremely high level of joulage with his muscles, and that is not his peak possible throw, but as his best feat, we round it down to be on the safe side.

Now that we know how much energy he can produce, roughly, we can apply that energy to a simple equasion for throwing somethign of the same density as the granite.

Now, just for purposes of being conservative, rather than put in the realisitc weight of something like his sheild, we'll put in.. 100 lbs? K. Watch.

K = 2551457081.25 joules
m = 100 pounds = 45.359237 kilograms

Thus:

velocity (v) = 10606.6017178 meter/second
velocity (v) = 3818376618.52 centimeter/hour
velocity (v) = 1060660.17178 centimeter/second
velocity (v) = 3006595762.52 foot/day
velocity (v) = 34798.5620663 foot/second
velocity (v) = 1503297881.26 inch/hour
velocity (v) = 417582.744795 inch/second
velocity (v) = 10.6066017178 kilometer/second
velocity (v) = 20617.5843505 knot
velocity (v) = 31.1683858883 mach sea level 15 C
velocity (v) = 916410388.416 meter/day
velocity (v) = 23726.2923179 mile/hour
velocity (v) = 6.59063675498 mile/second
velocity (v) = 10606601.7178 millimeter/second
velocity (v) = 3.53798150513E-05 speed of light in vacuum
velocity (v) = 11599.5206888 yard/second

Originally posted by ScreamPaste
In MM he gains the ability to travel through and slow time with the ocarina.

MM???

I don't remember what MM means, so that I may go back and look at this personally myself, because had OOT Link "truly" of been able to have slowed time, than he would have been broken, however I don't really believe this ability until I further read, or find the reference to this (not to discredit you, however I'm skeptical of this).

Edit: Okay, I've read your statements, and honestly, I won't try to break it down myself at this very moment, however I'll do so later.

Anyhow, how would this give Link a "distinct" advantage over Sephiroth? My problem with Sephiroth is that we do not truly know his full capabilities so alot of his psychical/magical/mental feats are still in theory and in the unknowns.

However I don't neccessarily believe that being "stronger" and able to "lift" more then Sephiroth would allow Link to gain the advantage, especially if what I read earlier within the interview of Link being a slower character.

In my mind, the speed of Sephiroth (teleportation at that) would give give the more distinct edge.

The GG aren't an in game option, they're canon and required to beat the game, sir. See the post above the one you just made for my math. :]

In Majora's Mask, OoT's sequal, he uses the ocarina to slow time so drasticly you basicly have three times the original limit to complete the dungeons. He can also trvael through time using the ocarina, forward and backward, it's pretty nifty.

Edit: I've never seen this interview, but I know that in MM Link reacts to attacks on a supersonic level, and also that in TP he cuts arrows out of the air.

but yeah, Sephiroth's never done anythign to indicate he could come close to dodging a sheild thrown at 10km per second. Imho, that's an instant win for Link.

Originally posted by ScreamPaste
The GG aren't an in game option, they're canon and required to beat the game, sir. See the post above the one you just made for my math. :]

In Majora's Mask, OoT's sequal, he uses the ocarina to slow time so drasticly you basicly have three times the original limit to complete the dungeons. He can also trvael through time using the ocarina, forward and backward, it's pretty nifty.

Majora's Mask is actually different from the OOT Link, however were you capable of using it in Real Time Battle like say against Bosses? To slow them down, so that you could gain the advantage? Because slowing time for dungeons doesn't mean anything, if they don't inherently slow the characters down that you can simply outpace, or beat them up for free.

Again, having the ability to manipulate time in a way does not give you the advantage unless it's more distinct, otherwise someone like Ultimecia who can warp reality and time should have easily ggpo Squall and the gang, and yet they were able to dethrone her.

So please, specify more on the Time thing, because allowing more time in-game doesn't give it any advantage against Sephiroth.

MM Link is the exact same Link as OoT Link, actually.

And in MM you have three days to complete the game, the ocarina allows you to slow time indefinately, to a near halt. It doesn't actually slow the real0time fighting, but if it did it'd make the game easy mode, REALLY easy mode. It was also an N64 game so I doubt they coudl have coded it accurately.

Edit: It /does/ slow down the movement and occurence of in-game events. The post man is still animated the exact same, but moves about a third as fast, ect. Time has slowed, there's no qwuestion of that. It just doesn't effect animations.

Originally posted by ScreamPaste
MM Link is the exact same Link as OoT Link, actually.

And in MM you have three days to complete the game, the ocarina allows you to slow time indefinately, to a near halt. It doesn't actually slow the real0time fighting, but if it did it'd make the game easy mode, REALLY easy mode. It was also an N64 game so I doubt they coudl have coded it accurately.

I'll concede on OOT and MM Link, just for the sake of it.

However What? That's theory talking now with the accuracy, and there hasn't been anything stating to that otherwise, especially with the N64 notion.

I would agree with you if it slowed characters/boss fights down, giving Link the perception that he could use time to defeat opponents, which would have been huge. However if it's simply to use it to manipulate time for those 3 equating days but not the mobs nor bosses, how is that useful up against fighting against Sephiroth.

Also, Super Sonic feats would ultimately lose out to Teleportation, considering Clone Sephiroth which was manipulated by the Real Sephiroth was teleporting (through Sephiroth's will), so it's safe to say that Real Sephiroth would have been able to have done the same if he can make his clone through thought do it. That would be faster then super sonic speed.

Again, I disagree on your time notion, because if it doesn't slow the enemies down, then it's not an advantage to Link.

Originally posted by JustFrame
Again, having the ability to manipulate time in a way does not give you the advantage unless it's more distinct, otherwise someone like Ultimecia who can warp reality and time should have easily ggpo Squall and the gang, and yet they were able to dethrone her.

Originally posted by NemeBro
Ultimecia was defeated by the power of Love and Friendship, the most dominant force in the cosmos, that is totally different.

I would go into this more, considering I've done so in a FF Forum already, however I will refrain from doing so in here due to the fact this thread does not pertain to FFVIII, I only used that as a reference and nothing more.

It slows time, but thisisn't a point I'll bother with right now, mostly cause I'm tired.

As to Sephiroth teleporting, Link frequently deals with teleporting enemies, Sephiroth brings nothing new to that table, and Sephiroth's never had to deal with an enemy as physicly powerful as Link.

Originally posted by ScreamPaste
It slows time, but thisisn't a point I'll bother with right now, mostly cause I'm tired.

As to Sephiroth teleporting, Link frequently deals with teleporting enemies, Sephiroth brings nothing new to that table, and Sephiroth's never had to deal with an enemy as physicly powerful as Link.

Link's physicality wouldn't be anything new, considering this, I would vouche that the majority of the Weapon's physically would have been more powerful then Link, however even we saw that characters like Cloud and them were capable of besting these brutes who were on the monstrous levels.

Strength is not an advantage here for Link, and yes, I am disagreeing on your "time notion" wouldn't hold any water anyhow. Because if Link was "capable" of such a feat, why didn't he just simply do this to own everyone in MM then? Again, it makes no sense if you have that ability but throughout the game, you never show the capability to do this against your enemies only upon the days, which is why I find little credibility in this in a fight against Sephiroth.

He does use it, and it does slow the characters and events down, showign that time is legit slowed, it simply doesn't slow the enemies because that would make th game Waaaay too easy. =/ You'd be able to walk around the enemies without getting touched.

How isn't strength an advantage for Link?

Originally posted by ScreamPaste
He does use it, and it does slow the characters and events down, showign that time is legit slowed, it simply doesn't slow the enemies because that would make th game Waaaay too easy. =/ You'd be able to walk around the enemies without getting touched.

How isn't strength an advantage for Link?

If that's the case, then time is manipulated in a different sense then, not in the case of what we are given.

This is why I come into conflict here, because "if" Link was this powerful as you supposedly claim, then their would be no real threat, because Link would simply use this time method to defeat all obstacles that lay before him. Again, I believe it's more of that, it just manipulates the days, and not necessarily the opponents that he is facing. Because by being able to use time and use it to fight opponents would absolutely make him broken in the MM world, which I disagree that he was not capable of such a feat.

It's all moot anyway, Link throws his sheild at Seph and Sephiroth explodes, imho.

Originally posted by ScreamPaste
It's all moot anyway, Link throws his sheild at Seph and Sephiroth explodes, imho.

Link cannot react to supersonic speeds, use any Link you want, he doesn't have anywhere near the same reaction speeds or speeds as Sephiroth.

Not to mention even if Link did hit Sephiroth with this shield, it wouldn't be the end of Sephiroth = / He could easily regenerate from that, considering the heat would do nothing and the fact the body he is using survived meteor re-entry.

It'd incapacitate Sephiroth while he regenerated, and then Link just touches him casually with the master sword, destroying him utterly.

And Link can react to sonic booms, see the MM final boss-fight. |:<

it's 3:30 am, I'm for bed.

lol stupidity, Link is going to throw a shield at that speed just because he is strong? even if we agreed to your mathmatical nonsense Link has to react to sephiroth and have a quick aim as well, and throw before Sephiroth teleports or moves somewhere else, almost all of these things would be impossible for him with Sephiroth slicing him in two from a speed blitz.

Whoa, wait a minute. Did we seriously just come full circle? Pro-Seph debators are calling win by speed blitz? 😐

Fail.

😆 Seph's going to speed blitz someone he can't hurt? GREAT ARGUMENT!

By the way, how have we come to learn it is granite that he's lifting?

It's called granite in the official Nintendo player's guide, and I mathed it as lighter than granite anyway, because I beleive in being conservative.

Let's face it, if Sephiroth could hurt Link, he would have crushed himself just lifting, let alone throwing, a thousand ton pillar.